'24-25 Former Predators Thread

[hockey diva]

Well on some of those guys that ship sailed years ago. The last 2-3 have proven how stupid our management has been and is.

 

[herzausstein]

This lineup would have 112 goals :

Kevin Fiala (10g/8a) - Mikael Granlund (10g/20a) - Nino Niederreiter (10g/7a)
Ryan Hartman (4g/3a) - Matt Duchene (12g/17a) - Eeli Tolvanen (8g/5a)
Kiefer Sherwood (8g/6a) - Frederick Gaudreau (5g/9a) - Craig Smith (6g/4a)
Luke Kunin (8g/4a) - Erik Haula (5g/6a) - Mathieu Olivier (8g/3a)
Phil Tomasino (3g/1a)
Tanner Jeannot (3g/2a)

Mattias Ekholm (3g/8a) - Seth Jones (2g/8a)
Ryan McDonagh (0g/9a) - Dante Fabbro (3g/4a)
Ryan Suter (1g/5a) - Samuel Girard (2g/14a)
Tyson Barrie (1g/1a)

Yaroslav Askarov (1.96/.927)
Kevin Lankinen (2.65/.908)


Not incl.:
Viktor Arvidsson (2g/3a)
Cody Glass (1g/5a)
Yakov Trenin (2g/1a)
Nick Cousins (3g/3a)
Calle Jarnkrok (IR)
Scott Wedgewood

Only players im bothered by us not having, Fiala (though i understand the trade), Duchene (that buyout and the dead cap is gonna continue to haunt us), Tolvanen/Tomasino/Fabbro (waiver claims or dumb trades instead of putting the kids in a place to succeed), Askarov.

Everyone else you can sortof justify.
Hartman, Kunin, Barrie, Granlund etc werent doin hot for us. RV as much as i love his play is constantly injured. Glass is made of glass. Trenin priced himself out. Jeannot got a great return. Etc

 

[Gurglesons]

Yeah sharks are gonna be able to get a pretty penny off of granlund should they trade him. Retain 50% and send him to a competitor

Sharks can’t retain. And I imagine teams will be a little scared off based on how his adjustments went in NSH and PIT after being traded, but based on his personal struggles maybe he figures it out this time.

 

[Scoresberg]

 

[herzausstein]

He would likely still be in the AHL and Nashville would still likely suck.

 

[Kat Predator]

Aneninonun [sic] has been pretty good though. (Surprisingly, given how bad he was when in Denver.)

 

[nine_inch_fang]

Yeah, not sure Askarov makes a difference on this team this year even if he is backing up Saros. Just not enough games to matter. Might have an extra win from early in the season when Wedgewood lost a game or two.

 

[Bringer of Jollity]

What a silly statistical comparison.

 

[Armourboy]

What a silly statistical comparison.

It makes absolutely zero sense and has zero correlation. If Saros had been bad, maybe, but he hasn't. We aren't losing games due to goaltending.

 

[NoNecksCurse]

Tomasino with a goal and an assist today.

also, see Carrier with 2 assists today. He is a +3 with 4 assists in 5 games with MTL. Seems to be getting top 4 minutes and was on the ice for 21 minutes today against TB.

 

[Kat Predator]

Tomasino with a goal and an assist today.

also, see Carrier with 2 assists today. He is a +3 with 4 assists in 5 games with MTL. Seems to be getting top 4 minutes and was on the ice for 21 minutes today against TB.

Some will say these are far from "world beater" numbers. And while that is true, it is also the case that they are numbers that show production in the NHL. A couple of players that may be reliably productive for the next 4-6 years and not at backbreaking cap percentages. No team has a roster of 23 "world beaters", so that rubric of talent evaluation is unrealistic and, frankly, detrimental.

 

[herzausstein]

Tomasino with a goal and an assist today.

also, see Carrier with 2 assists today. He is a +3 with 4 assists in 5 games with MTL. Seems to be getting top 4 minutes and was on the ice for 21 minutes today against TB.

Maybe the issue is with his partner here (Lauzon) or Bruno. Honestly, he looked like terrible so id lean more towards Bruno/playstyle

 

[hockey diva]

I am not sorry we traded Carrier but I am glad he is doing well.

 

[herzausstein]

I am not sorry we traded Carrier but I am glad he is doing well.

Yeh. Im enjoying watching all these former predators do well in their new locations.

Carrier
Tomasino
Fabbro

Alot of it afirms what i see in Brunette's system and player decisions.

Adding Pärssinen to the stack in the next week or so would be something.

 

[NoNecksCurse]

Some will say these are far from "world beater" numbers. And while that is true, it is also the case that they are numbers that show production in the NHL. A couple of players that may be reliably productive for the next 4-6 years and not at backbreaking cap percentages. No team has a roster of 23 "world beaters", so that rubric of talent evaluation is unrealistic and, frankly, detrimental.

Yeah, it takes all kinds to win in the NHL.

Schenn has 2 points, -8 in 36 games played
Lauzon 1 point, -3 in 26 games played
McCarron 5 points, -14 in 28 games played
Smith 5 points, -9 in 34 games played

I'm sure someone will say something about the PK being 1st in the league. The same PK last year, with most of the same guys, finished 22nd in the league.

Building off what you said, it is just to highlight the absurdity of what NoNeck and Brunette have done in the past year. Shipping out young guys NoNeck himself signed to contracts and keeps guys with minimal production.

Maybe the issue is with his partner here (Lauzon) or Bruno. Honestly, he looked like terrible so id lean more towards Bruno/playstyle

It is early, but MTL fans seem to be laughing their ass off at the fact someone gave back a tangible asset for Barron. Carrier has played well for them based off what I have read on these boards. I will admit I haven't watched myself. Just reading HF and stat watching, but I will always lean towards NoNeck and Brunette being the problem as the default going forward.

 

[herzausstein]

Yeah, it takes all kinds to win in the NHL.

Schenn has 2 points, -8 in 36 games played
Lauzon 1 point, -3 in 26 games played
McCarron 5 points, -14 in 28 games played
Smith 5 points, -9 in 34 games played

I'm sure someone will say something about the PK being 1st in the league. The same PK last year, with most of the same guys, finished 22nd in the league.

Building off what you said, it is just to highlight the absurdity of what NoNeck and Brunette have done in the past year. Shipping out young guys NoNeck himself signed to contracts and keeps guys with minimal production.

It is early, but MTL fans seem to be laughing their ass off at the fact someone gave back a tangible asset for Barron. Carrier has played well for them based off what I have read on these boards. I will admit I haven't watched myself. Just reading HF and stat watching, but I will always lean towards NoNeck and Brunette being the problem as the default going forward.

I didnt want to extend Carrier anyways so the fact we got something for him to great to me. I honestly wish we traded him last deadline since his value wouldve likely been higher.

 

[glenngineer]

So much to say.

The big questions I've got are why bring back Korn to realize the potential of Askarov only to block his path by re-signing Saros? If you know Korn can work wonders with goalies, why not go with the kid with size over a solid goalie who's never won a playoff series? If you felt the kid was going to be a problem, sit him down and have a very frank conversation, earn your spot as the backup and we'll go from there. In the back of your mind, if you feel he's earned it and Korn thinks he's going to hit his potential, move Saros before the NMC kicks in. The value received for a kid selected 11th overall was a kid who could pan out to be a 3C and a late 1st in a shitty draft. For all the talk of the "value" we got from Parssinen, no one talks about the shitty value we got for a goalie with the talent Askarov has.

There's so much more to unpack but I don't have it in me.

 

[Armourboy]

So much to say.

The big questions I've got are why bring back Korn to realize the potential of Askarov only to block his path by re-signing Saros? If you know Korn can work wonders with goalies, why not go with the kid with size over a solid goalie who's never won a playoff series? If you felt the kid was going to be a problem, sit him down and have a very frank conversation, earn your spot as the backup and we'll go from there. In the back of your mind, if you feel he's earned it and Korn thinks he's going to hit his potential, move Saros before the NMC kicks in. The value received for a kid selected 11th overall was a kid who could pan out to be a 3C and a late 1st in a shitty draft. For all the talk of the "value" we got from Parssinen, no one talks about the shitty value we got for a goalie with the talent Askarov has.

There's so much more to unpack but I don't have it in me.

The problem with that is you are removing Askarov's own stance from that equation.

Now I trust Trotz public comments about as far as I can throw Bridgestone these days, but he did say he sat down with Askarov and discussed what the plan was, thought everything was cool, and then the next time they met he demanded a trade. The only reason I believe that to be true is that neither Askarov nor his agent refuted it.

Knowing what we know now, Askarov knew he was still having injury issues, so he knew that meant Milwaukee for him. Now based on what we saw out of Wedgewood and the fact he got traded that may have been the incorrect assumption, but I do believe that is what was going through his mind.

Now I think the secondary part to that he was looking at Saros contract, combined with the injury forcing him to Milwaukee, and basically he assumed that meant Saros would then be set with the NMC, shutting off his path as starter and just decided to make his move now rather than later.

The fact remains though this wasn't a case where Trotz just wanted to move Askarov, but I think he was looking at the timeline knowing he could force his hand a bit this season, but knew the next he would be a RFA and could bail to Russia. He figured under those circumstances he would be worth even less so made the move now.

My big issue with Trotz in all of this isn't trading Askarov when he did or under those circumstances, my problem is that the whole scenario was self created by Trotz. Nothing was forcing him to sign Saros when he did, he could have pushed all of this down the line, gave Askarov backup starts and then made that hard decision come the trade deadline. Basically he created an untenable position that he didn't need to be in.

Now I know the argument of other guys coming here, but knowing what we do now about the Stamkos situation he was coming here either way. We were the highest bidder and I think he had probably already heard good things about Nashville from other players. I think his signing convinced Marchessault to give it a go too. In hindsight I don't think Saros contract mattered at all to either.

 

[ShagDaddy]

The problem with that is you are removing Askarov's own stance from that equation.

Now I trust Trotz public comments about as far as I can throw Bridgestone these days, but he did say he sat down with Askarov and discussed what the plan was, thought everything was cool, and then the next time they met he demanded a trade. The only reason I believe that to be true is that neither Askarov nor his agent refuted it.

Knowing what we know now, Askarov knew he was still having injury issues, so he knew that meant Milwaukee for him. Now based on what we saw out of Wedgewood and the fact he got traded that may have been the incorrect assumption, but I do believe that is what was going through his mind.

Now I think the secondary part to that he was looking at Saros contract, combined with the injury forcing him to Milwaukee, and basically he assumed that meant Saros would then be set with the NMC, shutting off his path as starter and just decided to make his move now rather than later.

The fact remains though this wasn't a case where Trotz just wanted to move Askarov, but I think he was looking at the timeline knowing he could force his hand a bit this season, but knew the next he would be a RFA and could bail to Russia. He figured under those circumstances he would be worth even less so made the move now.

My big issue with Trotz in all of this isn't trading Askarov when he did or under those circumstances, my problem is that the whole scenario was self created by Trotz. Nothing was forcing him to sign Saros when he did, he could have pushed all of this down the line, gave Askarov backup starts and then made that hard decision come the trade deadline. Basically he created an untenable position that he didn't need to be in.

Now I know the argument of other guys coming here, but knowing what we do now about the Stamkos situation he was coming here either way. We were the highest bidder and I think he had probably already heard good things about Nashville from other players. I think his signing convinced Marchessault to give it a go too. In hindsight I don't think Saros contract mattered at all to either.

Stamkos said in one of his interviews that Marchessault called him after they both had already signed with Nashville. Neither new the other had signed until that phone call based off what Stamkos said so their decision to sign was independent of each other.

Other than that I agree with everything thing else.

 

[herzausstein]

I feel like Askarov was never in Trotz longterm plan. Trotz has said that he was trying to get Annunen last season. Assuming he is telling the truth there, that doesnt make sense unless he was planning on moving from one of Askarov or Saros.

 

[Armourboy]

I feel like Askarov was never in Trotz longterm plan. Trotz has said that he was trying to get Annunen last season. Assuming he is telling the truth there, that doesnt make sense unless he was planning on moving from one of Askarov or Saros.

I mean its obvious he was going to move one or the other so getting Annunen as a back up last season still would have made sense.

Stamkos said in one of his interviews that Marchessault called him after they both had already signed with Nashville. Neither new the other had signed until that phone call based off what Stamkos said so their decision to sign was independent of each other.

Other than that I agree with everything thing else.

Hadn't heard that but tells me even more it was about the money and figuring Nashville was an ok city. If they didn't know about one another and still came, that just convinces me even more that Saros being signed had little to do with it.

 

[originalpredfan]

The problem with that is you are removing Askarov's own stance from that equation.

Now I trust Trotz public comments about as far as I can throw Bridgestone these days, but he did say he sat down with Askarov and discussed what the plan was, thought everything was cool, and then the next time they met he demanded a trade. The only reason I believe that to be true is that neither Askarov nor his agent refuted it.

Knowing what we know now, Askarov knew he was still having injury issues, so he knew that meant Milwaukee for him. Now based on what we saw out of Wedgewood and the fact he got traded that may have been the incorrect assumption, but I do believe that is what was going through his mind.

Now I think the secondary part to that he was looking at Saros contract, combined with the injury forcing him to Milwaukee, and basically he assumed that meant Saros would then be set with the NMC, shutting off his path as starter and just decided to make his move now rather than later.

The fact remains though this wasn't a case where Trotz just wanted to move Askarov, but I think he was looking at the timeline knowing he could force his hand a bit this season, but knew the next he would be a RFA and could bail to Russia. He figured under those circumstances he would be worth even less so made the move now.

My big issue with Trotz in all of this isn't trading Askarov when he did or under those circumstances, my problem is that the whole scenario was self created by Trotz. Nothing was forcing him to sign Saros when he did, he could have pushed all of this down the line, gave Askarov backup starts and then made that hard decision come the trade deadline. Basically he created an untenable position that he didn't need to be in.

Now I know the argument of other guys coming here, but knowing what we do now about the Stamkos situation he was coming here either way. We were the highest bidder and I think he had probably already heard good things about Nashville from other players. I think his signing convinced Marchessault to give it a go too. In hindsight I don't think Saros contract mattered at all to either.

Totally agree with your assessment. The only question in the back of my mind is how did Korn figure in all this. Was he high on Saros or unimpressed with Askarov? Did he influence Trotz in any way, or was this totally Trotz's decision.

 

[glenngineer]

The problem with that is you are removing Askarov's own stance from that equation.

Now I trust Trotz public comments about as far as I can throw Bridgestone these days, but he did say he sat down with Askarov and discussed what the plan was, thought everything was cool, and then the next time they met he demanded a trade. The only reason I believe that to be true is that neither Askarov nor his agent refuted it.

Knowing what we know now, Askarov knew he was still having injury issues, so he knew that meant Milwaukee for him. Now based on what we saw out of Wedgewood and the fact he got traded that may have been the incorrect assumption, but I do believe that is what was going through his mind.

Now I think the secondary part to that he was looking at Saros contract, combined with the injury forcing him to Milwaukee, and basically he assumed that meant Saros would then be set with the NMC, shutting off his path as starter and just decided to make his move now rather than later.

The fact remains though this wasn't a case where Trotz just wanted to move Askarov, but I think he was looking at the timeline knowing he could force his hand a bit this season, but knew the next he would be a RFA and could bail to Russia. He figured under those circumstances he would be worth even less so made the move now.

My big issue with Trotz in all of this isn't trading Askarov when he did or under those circumstances, my problem is that the whole scenario was self created by Trotz. Nothing was forcing him to sign Saros when he did, he could have pushed all of this down the line, gave Askarov backup starts and then made that hard decision come the trade deadline. Basically he created an untenable position that he didn't need to be in.

Now I know the argument of other guys coming here, but knowing what we do now about the Stamkos situation he was coming here either way. We were the highest bidder and I think he had probably already heard good things about Nashville from other players. I think his signing convinced Marchessault to give it a go too. In hindsight I don't think Saros contract mattered at all to either.

The bolded is exactly it, he did it to himself and by himself, I'm talking about BT.

 

[Armourboy]

Totally agree with your assessment. The only question in the back of my mind is how did Korn figure in all this. Was he high on Saros or unimpressed with Askarov? Did he influence Trotz in any way, or was this totally Trotz's decision.

That's something we don't know, but just may 2 cents is I don't think Korn had anything to do with it. Only reason I say that is I don't think this had anything to do with perceived skill level and everything to do with contracts, injuries, and timing.

I don't think you could rule out Korn seeing something he didn't like, and maybe that made the decision easier in Trotz mind, but I don't think it was the reasoning.

 

[Kat Predator]

That's something we don't know, but just may 2 cents is I don't think Korn had anything to do with it. Only reason I say that is I don't think this had anything to do with perceived skill level and everything to do with contracts, injuries, and timing.

I don't think you could rule out Korn seeing something he didn't like, and maybe that made the decision easier in Trotz mind, but I don't think it was the reasoning.

It is quite likely a good bet that threats to go back to the KHL, if they were made, were more of a motivator than anything Korn may or may not have said.