Boston Bruins 22-‘23 Bruins roster and trade proposals discussions. VII

[Over the volcano]

Dylan Larkin is someone I’d give up 1st +++ for, and sign for 8m+. Unfortunately the cap space just isn’t there next season without some serious cap gymnastics. Would have to trade out a current core player (DeBrusk, Hall, Carlo, Ullmark, etc) and even that isn’t enough. Sigh..

Evan Gold is a good gymnast.

 

[Oates2Neely]

DeBrusk Larkin Pastrnak
Hall Poitras Lysell

Helluva top 6, post 37/ 46/ 63

 

[Fenian24]

Hey we're on the same page? My concern is they most likely will want Debrusk? Would you do it?

I would have to think about it. He looks like a 30 goal scorer going forward but w depth is easier to obtain, especially if Pasta is resigned long term. Larkin is your number 1 going forward, if Bergy comes back he is your two with Coyle slotted correctly as your 3. Players of Larkins skill set rarely reach free agency. It's a long winded way of saying if he was signed i would do it but the prospect becomes Lohrei and not Lysell

 

[Absurdity]

Dylan Larkin is someone I’d give up 1st +++ for, and sign for 8m+. Unfortunately the cap space just isn’t there next season without some serious cap gymnastics. Would have to trade out a current core player (DeBrusk, Hall, Carlo, Ullmark, etc) and even that isn’t enough. Sigh..

Last I read, Yzerman offered 8x8, Larkin is looking for a deal similar to Barzal's 8x9.15 deal. For next season, if the Bruins want Larkin and Pastrnak on the roster, it would at least require Reilly being bought out or traded, Forbort moved, and at least one of the players you listed to be in the trade. It will still be tight cap-wise.

 

[Absurdity]

If Larkin is on the table, I think the Bruins would have to include DeBrusk. There's a lot of talk regarding the cap for next season, but the 2024-2025 season can be just as bad. DeBrusk is going to be a free agent, and it will be hard to see DeBrusk not making upwards of $6m or $7m aav on his next deal.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

All the concern about Larkin/cap/cost to acquire/etc? Worth it. The dude is gold. None of the JT Miller shit insta-regret. Larkin is three-zone stellar, natural leader, cornerstone player.

The problem isn’t the cost to acquire/retain. It’s that he doesn’t play for Arizona or Buffalo or Vancouver or Ottawa. He plays for Detroit for Steve Yzerman. Stevey Y is no idiot, has vision for his team and a track record (while young) of building proven winning rosters with cores of players like Dylan Larkin.

Don’t let these rumours of contract disputes fool you. Larkin will not be leaving the Red Wings.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

All the concern about Larkin/cap/cost to acquire/etc? Worth it. The dude is gold. None of the JT Miller shit insta-regret. Larkin is three-zone stellar, natural leader, cornerstone player.

The problem isn’t the cost to acquire/retain. It’s that he doesn’t play for Arizona or Buffalo or Vancouver or Ottawa. He plays for Detroit for Steve Yzerman. Stevey Y is no idiot, has vision for his team and a track record (while young) of building proven winning rosters with cores of players like Dylan Larkin.

Don’t let these rumours of contract disputes fool you. Larkin will not be leaving the Red Wings.

Maybe he’s finally sick and tired of being in Michigan

 

[BradMarchandismydad]

Idk that I'd trade Jake for a rental Larkin, he's our 2nd best goal scorer IMO. Larkin is also looking for an insane 9-10M contract. I don't think he's worth that as of now.

I'm starting to believe that we can attract UFA centers via free agency now that we've cultivated this legendary locker room narrative.

 

[dugg133]

I was browsing around the Red Wings subreddit to see if they had any updates on Larkin I hadn't seen and they seem to be saying that reports say that there's been progress and that the difference between Stevie Y and Larkin's camp is down to like 700k in the AAV. Sure seems like they'll get a deal done.

 

[the negotiator]

The wide range of topics on this board goes to the multi headed decision Sweeney is facing ...does he

-add grit and size both at d and forward

-make a splash at either d or center

-sit tight and tinker around the edges

the Larkin chatter shows just how complicated this gets....I was ok with a Horvat trade but a Larkin trade ( assuming Detroit was at all reasonable in it's demands) would be an exceptional get - adding speed and scoring short term and and solidifying the center position long term. Likeliness of it to happening - very low...but what a coup it would be.

regarding the cap- one of Sweeney's absolute best moves was adding Evan Gold...the guy is a cap wizard and if anyone could make the numbers work it would be him.

it will be an interesting run up to the trade deadline

 

[whatsbruin]

Love the idea of Larkin, I give Detroit a first, Lysell and whatever they want not in the top 9/top 4 to get him if signed, I still go for Larking if he won't sign until a UFA but the cost would be lower.

Schenn would be my first choice on D for a 5-7 that will hit and be a physical force, I do not care how slow he is.

Still want more grit in the forward group, Jeannott, Dakota Johnson, Sam Carrick, Austin Watson would all be nice additions as a 12th forward.

I didn't think Sweeney would trade a top 9, but according to something I read, DeBrusk was in the mix in a trade for Horvat. If that is true or not I guess we'll never know.

 

[BlackFrancis]

Jake DeBrusk is a UFA after next season. How is what is in effect a rental a major piece for a highly desired center?

This obviously ignores the unending lust for the Bruins to carry three top 6 centers this season.

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

How do you prove that more cheap shots didn't happen because they didn't want to answer to Lucic?

There are scum bags out there who will throw cheap shots regardless of who is lined up against them, granted.

There are also players out there who are spot picking weasels, who will throw a dirty hit when they know they won't have to answer for it.

There is absolutely no way in the world to say with any measure of certainty that having tough players doesn't prevent cheap shots vs. teammates.

In fact, almost to a man, the players themselves say that toughness is a deterrent to cheap shots.

Lol "answer to Lucic". What in a staged fight that they can choose to engage in or ignore?

This isn't the 80s where guys are breaking wrists and ankles with retaliatory slashes or cross checks to the head.

Those instances are so rare nowadays nobody is worried about it. For Lucic to do anything thats fear inducing he'd be getting suspended and putting the Bruins on the shorthand for a major penalty. Either way thats a win-win for the cheapshot-er.

He's too slow to do anything during the run of play that would make a difference.

Bruins suffered cheap shots to all their best players over the time Lucic was here. Now you are trying to say it would've been Mad Max Thunderdome if he wasn't here? Lmao. So how do all the other teams in the league without a Lucic even make it through the regular season without a body count?

In fact, almost to a man, the players themselves say that toughness is a deterrent to cheap shots.

This means nothing to me.

Matt Cooke had a long career doing what he did. No amount of "toughness" deterred how he played.

 

[sarge88]

Lol "answer to Lucic". What in a staged fight that they can choose to engage in or ignore?

This isn't the 80s where guys are breaking wrists and ankles with retaliatory slashes or cross checks to the head.

Those instances are so rare nowadays nobody is worried about it. For Lucic to do anything thats fear inducing he'd be getting suspended and putting the Bruins on the shorthand for a major penalty. Either way thats a win-win for the cheapshot-er.

He's too slow to do anything during the run of play that would make a difference.

Bruins suffered cheap shots to all their best players over the time Lucic was here. Now you are trying to say it would've been Mad Max Thunderdome if he wasn't here? Lmao. So how do all the other teams in the league without a Lucic even make it through the regular season without a body count?



This means nothing to me.

Matt Cooke had a long career doing what he did. No amount of "toughness" deterred how he played.

Using your logic that if a cheap shot happens while the team that gets cheap shotted employs tough players means that toughness isn't a deterrent.

Then, the logic that any time a game is played where a cheap shot doesn't happen against a team employs tough players means that toughness deterred those cheap shots from happening, is equally sound.

 

[Over the volcano]

I was browsing around the Red Wings subreddit to see if they had any updates on Larkin I hadn't seen and they seem to be saying that reports say that there's been progress and that the difference between Stevie Y and Larkin's camp is down to like 700k in the AAV. Sure seems like they'll get a deal done.

I cant imagine they let Larkin get away.

 

[LouJersey]

Tarasenko could be the next of the big names to get moved

I will trade six firsts for anyone who talks in the third person

 

[dugg133]

I cant imagine they let Larkin get away.

Agreed, but also there's this.

 

[LouJersey]

Tarasenko could be the next of the big names to get moved

I will trade six firsts for anyone who talks in the third person

 

[The don godfather]

He wouldn't be playing on a line with Bergeron so he's not going to be "on his side" for this cup run.

He would be sent out as a reaction after the cheap shot already happened. He's too slow to make any impact during the run of play so he would then be chasing someone around trying to get them to fight after the whistle.

Which means he's taking an instigator or a roughing call and putting the Bs shorthanded because he shoved a guy after the whistle. That's not a deterrent. Nobody is scared of that.

And if he did anything major he'd get tossed out of the game/suspended and the Bruins are shorthanded for 5 minutes.
Him being on the bench would cause the opposition to think 3 times for taking a headshot on our top players. I would pay for that insurance everytime. Lucic wont cost much in terms of talent or picks .

And again, Lucic was on the Bruins in the past when they suffered from cheap shots. So your theory has already proven to be incorrect.

 

[Dizzay]

Lucic already has a retention by Edmonton therefore only Cagary can retain. Only 2 salary retention allowed per contract
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I get he can only be retained once more by a team since Edmonton has retained 12.5% already. The thing I'm unclear on is Calgary trades him straight up to Anh for a 7th round pick. Anh trades him to Vegas......can Anh retain more than 50% of his salary? Maybe you answered that in the above, I'm just confused by the 15% aggregate of the salary cap piece.

 

[dugg133]

I get he can only be retained once more by a team since Edmonton has retained 12.5% already. The thing I'm unclear on is Calgary trades him straight up to Anh for a 7th round pick. Anh trades him to Vegas......can Anh retain for than 50% of his salary? Maybe you answered that in the above, I'm just confused by the 15% aggregate of the salary cap piece.

The most a single team can retain is 50% of the salary. So in your scenario if Lucic is traded to Anaheim who then flip him somewhere else, the most Anaheim could retain is 50% of his current cap hit.

The 15% aggregate thing is saying that the total amount of salary retention across multiple contracts that a team is allowed can’t be greater then 15% of the cap.

 

[quietbruinfan]

I will trade six firsts for anyone who talks in the third person

That is some of the finest third person-speak since the master, Rickey Henderson.

 

[NeelyDan]

Who we ought to deal for:

 

[Coach Parker]

The Bruins are in a great position, and they could score some help ahead of the NHL trade deadline - The Boston Globe

His team leads the league at the All-Star break and general manager Don Sweeney could make it an even better one with the right moves.

www.bostonglobe.com

When next we see the Bruins, facing off against the Capitals Feb. 11 at TD Garden, the March 3 NHL trade deadline will be only a touch under three weeks away.

If general manager Don Sweeney is in a shopping mood — likely so, given his history, including last year’s acquisition of defenseman Hampus Lindholm — then the No. 1 target could be adding some toughness to the backline.

Amid the bountiful success this season, including their league-best mark of 39-7-5, it has been easy to forget that the Bruins still haven’t found a replacement for Kevan Miller’s snake-in-the-boot blend of snarl and grit behind the blue line.

“I wouldn’t say it’s a concern,” team president Cam Neely said on Wednesday while watching his club’s morning workout in Toronto. “It’s more, like, what do we feel we need to help us advance … four [playoff] rounds, potentially seven games a round, you want to plan for anything that can happen,

Had Miller’s equal been in the lineup last May, the Hurricanes might have expected a rough ride around the rink after Andrei Svechnikov delivered the hit that sent Lindholm to Palookaville in Game 2. Which isn’t to say that the Bruins would have been guaranteed safe passage into Round 2, but some of that patented Miller-like pushback might at least have provided a spark that was woefully absent for the Bruins in all four games they played (and lost) at Carolina.

“It would be a nice element to have,” noted Neely, “but we’re not saying we absolutely have to have it.”

That said, every club can use more scoring, and Sweeney might consider adding some pop off the wing. The hottest rumor headed into the break had Sweeney kicking tires on speedy Red Wings center Dylan Larkin, who is on target to be an unrestricted free agent in July (similar to David Pastrnak).

With Patrice Bergeron and David Krejci still in residence as centers 1 and 1A, Larkin, if brought aboard, would slot in as a left-shooting wing. His presence would knock Craig Smith permanently out of the top six.

Larkin will turn 27 in July. Like Bo Horvat, the center recently dished from Vancouver to the Islanders, he’d be an ideal long-term signing, positioned to move into vacancies created one day soon by Bergeron and Krejci. The return for Detroit? A package that most likely would include Jake DeBrusk, due back in the lineup from injury when the Bruins return against the Capitals.

There is also a sleeper to consider: Ohio State defenseman Mason Lohrei. He soon will wrap up his sophomore season. Neely noted this week, when asked if he felt Lohrei’s game was NHL-ready, said he felt the prospect first would need some time with AHL Providence.
Lohrei, who turned 22 in January, is big (6 feet 4 inches, 210 pounds) and likes to jump into the play — he’s the No. 3 scorer for the Buckeyes this season with a line of 1-19–20. He wouldn’t fill that Miller void for grit and swagger, but Lohrei could add even more of an offensive dynamic than we’ve seen back there of late.

Maybe another Miller isn’t the answer. Maybe this is the year when more scoring puts an end to the questions.

Larkin has been on their radar and being scouted since the start of the season. If he can be had at the deadline towards signing in the future I think that is the homerun move that is also better than a Horvat trade.

 

[Coach Parker]

The wide range of topics on this board goes to the multi headed decision Sweeney is facing ...does he

-add grit and size both at d and forward

-make a splash at either d or center

-sit tight and tinker around the edges

the Larkin chatter shows just how complicated this gets....I was ok with a Horvat trade but a Larkin trade ( assuming Detroit was at all reasonable in it's demands) would be an exceptional get - adding speed and scoring short term and and solidifying the center position long term. Likeliness of it to happening - very low...but what a coup it would be.

regarding the cap- one of Sweeney's absolute best moves was adding Evan Gold...the guy is a cap wizard and if anyone could make the numbers work it would be him.

it will be an interesting run up to the trade deadline

Couldn't agree more.