Prospect Info: 2025 World Junior Hockey Championship

[FLYguy3911]

Nobody other than Sanheim scores double figure goals regularly as a non-PP defensemen. And Bonk cannot hold Sanheim's jock as a prospect.

 

[BillDineen]

TSN 1 spotted Briere in Ottawa checking out the talent at the Sweden-Switzerland game.

Probably combined family in Gatineau for Xmas with the tourney

 

[FLYguy3911]

Hutson. Sheesh.

 

[FLYguy3911]

US getting outplayed by this trash Finnish team.

 

[deadhead]

Nobody other than Sanheim scores double figure goals regularly as a non-PP defensemen. And Bonk cannot hold Sanheim's jock as a prospect.

York had 10 last year.
Sanheim's highest at ES is 9, highest total is 9 and 10.
Provorov had 15 ES his 2nd season, then totaled 13 (6 ES) and 9 (8 ES).

"Bumper Bonk" will probably get his chance to score goals, that's a strong suit for him.
Torts likes his D-men to be aggressive in the O-zone, and Bonk is suited to that role.

 

[deadhead]

Could be. But it’s also impossible to predict the relative strength of the latter half of the first round of a draft over a year out, so what evidence do I have of a process based in sound logic?



…..what. That would be a very good outcome. Should?! With one late lottery pick?!

That's a 50% hit rate, which isn't outrageous given where they'll pick.
Flahr is doing better than that so far:
York #14, Brink #34, Foerster #23, Tuomaala #46, Cutter #5, Michkov #7, Bonk #22, Luchanko #13.
Only Tuomaala seems a clear miss so far.
Andrae #54, Bjarnson #51, Berglund #51, Gill #59 a bit past their picks.

They could blow this opportunity or hit a HR.

Drafting is funny, remember when Boston had 13-15 and only came away with DeBrusk, then hit on Carlo at #37. TB took TDA two rounds before Point. TDA #19, Masin #35, MacLeod #57, Point #79.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

That's a 50% hit rate, which isn't outrageous given where they'll pick.
Flahr is doing better than that so far:
York #14, Brink #34, Foerster #23, Tuomaala #46, Cutter #5, Michkov #7, Bonk #22, Luchanko #13.
Only Tuomaala seems a clear miss so far.
Andrae #54, Bjarnson #51, Berglund #51, Gill #59 a bit past their picks.

They could blow this opportunity or hit a HR.

Drafting is funny, remember when Boston had 13-15 and only came away with DeBrusk, then hit on Carlo at #37. TB took TDA two rounds before Point. TDA #19, Masin #35, MacLeod #57, Point #79.

It’s well over outrageous and into nuts as an expectation. We’re not talking about hope.

You had it exactly correct. They haven’t failed yet. There hasn’t been time. That’s 2 hits out of your 8 for me. Your standard was your definition of Top 6/4, which does not include Frost. I like Foerster quite a bit for the future, but he’s not there yet by any reasonable definition. I’m content to wait and see.

Mostly I just don’t understand how you can say these things and then tell everyone they’re the ones who overrate prospects.

 

[FLYguy3911]

US getting outplayed by this trash Finnish team.

Augustine is buns too.

 

[BillDineen]

Suomi!

 

[GKJ]

 

[BigToe]

They're sitting Martone lol

 

[BigToe]

Bumper Bonk

 

[FLYguy3911]

York had 10 last year.
Sanheim's highest at ES is 9, highest total is 9 and 10.
Provorov had 15 ES his 2nd season, then totaled 13 (6 ES) and 9 (8 ES).

"Bumper Bonk" will probably get his chance to score goals, that's a strong suit for him.
Torts likes his D-men to be aggressive in the O-zone, and Bonk is suited to that role.

So you set a ridiculous standard and point out how ridiculous it is? Lol.

York needed 3 empty netters to reach that mark. Provorov did as well. It was pointed out at the time how fluky it was. Provorov never sniffed that total again. Both guys were PP regulars that year. Most importantly, both guys are more skilled than Bonk.

Bonk went 57 games without a single goal in the OHL prior to getting moved to the bumper spot on the PP. And that's playing on a powerhouse team. Why? Because he can't create his own shot. He's an average at best skater, likely a tick below average. Average skill level. Again probably a tick below in the NHL. He's not an explosive athlete? Where are these consistent 10 goals seasons coming from?

Don't matter how aggressive you are if you don't have the tools and instincts. Drysalde has exactly 1 ES goal in this supposed friendly system and he has a hell of a lot more physical gifts.

I'm not naive enough to think Bonk won't get PP time in some form or fashion, we're getting the Risto experience currently since they are at the throw shit against the wall stage, but blind projections based on box score stats hold no weight. He can't even match the pace he set last year and London might be even better than they were last year.

 

[Larry44]

So you set a ridiculous standard and point out how ridiculous it is? Lol.

York needed 3 empty netters to reach that mark. Provorov did as well. It was pointed out at the time how fluky it was. Provorov never sniffed that total again. Both guys were PP regulars that year. Most importantly, both guys are more skilled than Bonk.

Bonk went 57 games without a single goal in the OHL prior to getting moved to the bumper spot on the PP. And that's playing on a powerhouse team. Why? Because he can't create his own shot. He's an average at best skater, likely a tick below average. Average skill level. Again probably a tick below in the NHL. He's not an explosive athlete? Where are these consistent 10 goals seasons coming from?

Don't matter how aggressive you are if you don't have the tools and instincts. Drysalde has exactly 1 ES goal in this supposed friendly system and he has a hell of a lot more physical gifts.

I'm not naive enough to think Bonk won't get PP time in some form or fashion, we're getting the Risto experience currently since they are at the throw shit against the wall stage, but blind projections based on box score stats hold no weight. He can't even match the pace he set last year and London might be even better than they were last year.

If Bonk can give us what Justin Braun did at his NHL peak, he'll be a good 3-4 Dman, maybe good enough to play as the responsible top pairing partner, if we ever get a true #1. There is nothing special about him, he's just a solid all around player, not a star, not an offensive dynamo.

 

[BillDineen]

Michkov to Bumper Bonk for 15 years

 

[GKJ]

George went for the empty net

 

[GKJ]

Canada beats Germany 3-0

 

[phil162888]

Agree 100%.... Kid is great at reading the play and moving the puck in transition... he has a good shot but he's not creative like a true QB at all....he's a great complimentary player top 4 would be a good assessment.....Luchanko looks responsible and smart defensively but with who was available can't be the best use of 1st rd pick..... Looks like a fast version of Rubstov and we know how that went....need to see some flashes of offensive ability... call me a bit concerned.....Briere has done a mediocre job at best..... still can't believe we drafted York and Brink instead of Boldy or caufield (Not Briere fault btw but still)..... organization with its safe f**** picks.... our old scouts were so good finding players with skill .... lets hope we wake up this draft so many high picks with more to come.... we got lucky with Mich...should've got lucky last year but instead we went with a reach.... can't blow this

 

[deadhead]

Luchanko was much better on faceoffs and showed good passing skills, unfortunately his linemates consistently fumbled his passes.

Bonk is probably going to be a bigger, faster version of Braun with more shooting skills. He's not going to drive play, but if they trade Risto, they have zero big defensemen other than Sanheim on the NHL roster (Seeler is crazy, but not that physical). Grans, Southeran, McDonald, Gill are down the road and only Gill has offensive skills. So he has an important role, probably with Andrae in the future.

Of course, if Mann matures into the next Chara, that won't be a problem.

 

[Magua]

Bonk is probably going to be a bigger, faster version of Braun with more shooting skills.

@JojoTheWhale — he’s doing it again!

Remind me of who overrates prospects here. So, you’re saying Bonk will be Slavin. Gotcha. I’ll take the under.

 

[deadhead]

@JojoTheWhale — he’s doing it again!

Remind me of who overrates prospects here. So, you’re saying Bonk will be Slavin. Gotcha. I’ll take the under.

Braun was dependable but limited, and didn't become a regular starter until he was 26, at best was a 4th D-man, that would be more my ceiling [the 5% best outcome] for Grans. Hopefully, Bonk ends up better than that. Being a "bigger, more skilled version of Braun" is not an unreasonable expectation.

Slavin would be nice, but that's a bit optimistic. The ceiling, not the expectation, for Bonk.

 

[ellja3]

Clash of the titans (Latvia - Germany) today

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Braun was dependable but limited, and didn't become a regular starter until he was 26, at best was a 4th D-man,

I don’t think we remember prime Braun all that well. It’s understandable given how long he held on and his archetype, but I would strongly disagree with the idea that he topped out at a 4. He hit a wall hard around 31. Before that, he was a damn fine Defeneseman. Depending on the prime year you sampled, you could easily argue he gave low end first pair impacts.

 

[deadhead]

I don’t think we remember prime Braun all that well. It’s understandable given how long he held on and his archetype, but I would strongly disagree with the idea that he topped out at a 4. He hit a wall hard around 31. Before that, he was a damn fine Defeneseman. Depending on the prime year you sampled, you could easily argue he gave low end first pair impacts.

He didn't play the PP, so it was ES and PK for him. But even in his prime he was 2nd/3rd on San Jose, Burns the lead dog, Vlasic, Braun, then a rotating cast behind them. Better than I thought, probably b/c the Philly version was solid but limited to a smaller role.

Very efficient, but exactly the kind of player that gets no respect on this board, didn't pile up points, was always the CYA guy on any pair.

ES minutes
2014-15: 18:11
2015-16: 17:51
2016-17: 17:44
2017-18: 18:28
2018-19: 17:55
Flyers
2019-20: 15:15
2020-21: 16:02

There's a number of defense first D-men who didn't blossom until 24-26, especially later round picks.
Probably b/c they have limited physical talent and depend on experience to polish fundamentals (positioning, angles, stick work, etc.) before they can play at a high level. Which also means they tend to be boring and overlooked.

 

[FLYguy3911]

Kazakhstan scores two shorties on a 5 minute PK to tie!