Speculation: 2025 Trade/Free Agency Thread

[cheesymc]

If we went all out to sign Marner, I’d hope it isn’t for 8 years. I can’t locate the YouTube video but it shows that most stars regress big time around 32. Having Marner through 36 would mean half of his years would be an albatross especially for an offensive only player. I’d rather make him the highest paid player in the league but for 5 years only. But he’s likely going to sign in a big market and not Anaheim…

On a side note, anyone watch Lucas Mercuri play? I wonder what the Hurricanes want in return… I think we should take a stab if it’s only a late round pick. 6’3, right shot, two way center. Now that we’ve collected higher end prospects we need to find the complementary role players. Got to throw darts for maybe young Killorn type.

 

[FiveTacos]

I will agree that he will make us better, but not 14M better IMO.

Contrast that with say 50-60G Matthews, for instance, and I think that goal production would absolutely make us 14M better. Those first 2-3 years don’t require waiting for players to improve, because we have plenty of guys that can feed him the puck. Yes, I know he’s not available.

I tend to agree. He's a better player than some of his critics say ... but that said he's not the perfect fit for us either.

Over the past 35 years (or since the inception of both the SJ Sharks and the Anaheim Ducks) how many true UFA superstars (i.e. Marner caliber) have signed with ANY of the three California teams? The answer can be counted on one hand and still have fingers left over. When was the last one?

Niedermayer?

 

[tomd]

I tend to agree. He's a better player than some of his critics say ... but that said he's not the perfect fit for us either.


Niedermayer?

Good memory! Does Marner have a brother the Ducks can sign? I still have 4 fingers left

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

If tkachuk is available everyone here would be on that one.

but we’re not allowed to talk about that

Why don’t you give the Tkachuk talk a rest. He’s given no indication he wants to leave, his team is actually showing more signs of life than ours and harping on him puts you right up there with all the MB bozos who wanted Z when he still had value. If you don’t like others doing that to us, why keep doing it do others?

 

[DavidBL]

Good memory! Does Marner have a brother the Ducks can sign? I still have 4 fingers left

How many players of Marners caliber have actually made it to UFA, Panarin, Tavares, who else?

 

[tomd]

How many players of Marners caliber have actually made it to UFA, Managing, Tavares, who else?

Some do and most don't and that's part of the problem. Until he says he's going UFA, the likelihood is that he stays. That eighth year is worth a lot of money.

 

[duckpuck]

Acquiring a player of Marner's caliber as a UFA would be a massive win for the ducks. Adding an elite player without giving up assets (other than $$) has a huge impact on the team.

Marner may be flawed, but he'd be a huge UFA addition and any duck's fan should be in favor of that. The cap doesn't matter to the ducks.

 

[DavidBL]

Some do and most don't and that's part of the problem. Until he says he's going UFA, the likelihood is that he stays. That eighth year is worth a lot of money.

That's fair, but until he signs there is still a chance he goes ufa, and I feel like the deferred money trend could offset the 8th year.

 

[tomd]

That's fair, but until he signs there is still a chance he goes ufa, and I feel like the deferred money trend could offset the 8th year.

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[Ducks DVM]

If we went all out to sign Marner, I’d hope it isn’t for 8 years. I can’t locate the YouTube video but it shows that most stars regress big time around 32. Having Marner through 36 would mean half of his years would be an albatross especially for an offensive only player. I’d rather make him the highest paid player in the league but for 5 years only. But he’s likely going to sign in a big market and not Anaheim…

On a side note, anyone watch Lucas Mercuri play? I wonder what the Hurricanes want in return… I think we should take a stab if it’s only a late round pick. 6’3, right shot, two way center. Now that we’ve collected higher end prospects we need to find the complementary role players. Got to throw darts for maybe young Killorn type.

A point to everyone saying sign him for 8 years - the only team that can do that is Toronto. Everyone else needs to trade for him, and I do not think he’s worth more than a 7th to trade for his rights unsigned, and I absolutely don’t think he’s worth what it would cost to get him on a sign and trade.

 

[tomd]

A point to everyone saying sign him for 8 years - the only team that can do that is Toronto. Everyone else needs to trade for him, and I do not think he’s worth more than a 7th to trade for his rights unsigned, and I absolutely don’t think he’s worth what it would cost to get him on a sign and trade.

Guentzel might be a good comp for Marner and Guentzel was traded for a 3rd without a signing guaranty (at least not a formal one).

 

[DavidBL]

Guentzel might be a good comp for Marner and Guentzel was traded for a 3rd without a signing guaranty (at least not a formal one).

I'd give up a 3rd for early negotiations rights. Wouldn't get 8th year but an extra couple weeks to negotiate would be nice.

 

[tomd]

I'd give up a 3rd for early negotiations rights. Wouldn't get 8th year but an extra couple weeks to negotiate would be nice.

The Ducks would be able to offer the eighth year if they acquired him via trade.

 

[DavidBL]

The Ducks would be able to offer the eighth year if they acquired him via trade.

Pretty sure that's not true. If I recall correctly the player has to be on the teams reserve list at the trade deadline to offer an 8th year. Guentzel only signed 7 years in tampa

 

[tomd]

Pretty sure that's not true. If I recall correctly the player has to be on the teams reserve list at the trade deadline to offer an 8th year. Guentzel only signed 7 years in tampa

You are correct. Unfortunately, as you said earlier that makes it even tougher for the Ducks to offer a competitive contract for Marner. Unless he really really really wants to play here I just don't see it happening. And honestly, neither do you.

 

[Dr Johnny Fever]

That's fair, but until he signs there is still a chance he goes ufa, and I feel like the deferred money trend could offset the 8th year.

The deferred money does not work like you think it does. His cap would still be in the $14M range. He’d just be getting a ton more money than Frank got in 10 years. It’s all about his present day value combined with the time value of money.

 

[GermanRocket7]

We should probably go another route instead of Mariner as a free agent. Since it seems inevitable that Gibson will be gone at the draft, and we are currently not in a position to draft an absolute stud - would you be okay with trading Gibson to Buffalo alongside our second round pick and/or a B-level prospect for Peterka?

Reasoning behind it: Peterka knows how to light the lamp. He is now starting to become a more complete, 200-foot player and has an absolute knack for scoring goals, especially on the PP. And that on what is arguably the worst-run franchise in NHL history, the Buffalo Sabres. He is at .60 PPG in his career right now and would even out our scoring wingers, getting some relief for Terry and enabling us to deploy Zegas at center full time.

His contract is up after this season and he will not only command quite a bit in regards of cash, but he surely wants to be anywhere else but Buffalo (like, seriously, who doesn't?) and be able to win a game or two.

Buffalo has Lukkonen but nothing else in net, as Reimer will most likely retire. An experienced goaltender would easy the pressure for Lukkonen and might help stabilize their god awful defense. Peterka allegedly doesn't really want to extend his contract, and despite being RFA, is adamant to go somewhere else and play meaningful hockey after November. (Was told just that a few days ago by a friend in Bavaria who is friends with Bad Tölz's upper echelon, where Peterka played his first major junior hockey - I have *no idea* if this is true or not, but thought I'd share.)
If they are indeed at a stalemate with their extension talks, Buffalo needs to accept the L and get something of worth for him.

Seeing that Cozens immediately became a valuable, productive player after his trade from Buffalaugh to Ottawa, I am absolutely willing to bet Peterka might end up a high-end first line winger for pretty much any other NHL team if played correctly.

Therefore, I'd immediately offer something of value for Peterka, with the only untouchables being Leo, Z, McT, Cutter, Terry, Minty, Zell, Lacombe, Dostal and Sennecke.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

We should probably go another route instead of Mariner as a free agent. Since it seems inevitable that Gibson will be gone at the draft, and we are currently not in a position to draft an absolute stud - would you be okay with trading Gibson to Buffalo alongside our second round pick and/or a B-level prospect for Peterka?

Reasoning behind it: Peterka knows how to light the lamp. He is now starting to become a more complete, 200-foot player and has an absolute knack for scoring goals, especially on the PP. And that on what is arguably the worst-run franchise in NHL history, the Buffalo Sabres. He is at .60 PPG in his career right now and would even out our scoring wingers, getting some relief for Terry and enabling us to deploy Zegas at center full time.

His contract is up after this season and he will not only command quite a bit in regards of cash, but he surely wants to be anywhere else but Buffalo (like, seriously, who doesn't?) and be able to win a game or two.

Buffalo has Lukkonen but nothing else in net, as Reimer will most likely retire. An experienced goaltender would easy the pressure for Lukkonen and might help stabilize their god awful defense. Peterka allegedly doesn't really want to extend his contract, and despite being RFA, is adamant to go somewhere else and play meaningful hockey after November. (Was told just that a few days ago by a friend in Bavaria who is friends with Bad Tölz's upper echelon, where Peterka played his first major junior hockey - I have *no idea* if this is true or not, but thought I'd share.)
If they are indeed at a stalemate with their extension talks, Buffalo needs to accept the L and get something of worth for him.

Seeing that Cozens immediately became a valuable, productive player after his trade from Buffalaugh to Ottawa, I am absolutely willing to bet Peterka might end up a high-end first line winger for pretty much any other NHL team if played correctly.

Therefore, I'd immediately offer something of value for Peterka, with the only untouchables being Leo, Z, McT, Cutter, Terry, Minty, Zell, Lacombe, Dostal and Sennecke.

Peternka would be cool… I really don’t know how we’d make it work tho…. Unless they have legit interest in gibson.

Sabres seem to be in win now mode, so prospect and picks prob don’t appeal.

 

[tomd]

We should probably go another route instead of Mariner as a free agent. Since it seems inevitable that Gibson will be gone at the draft, and we are currently not in a position to draft an absolute stud - would you be okay with trading Gibson to Buffalo alongside our second round pick and/or a B-level prospect for Peterka?

Reasoning behind it: Peterka knows how to light the lamp. He is now starting to become a more complete, 200-foot player and has an absolute knack for scoring goals, especially on the PP. And that on what is arguably the worst-run franchise in NHL history, the Buffalo Sabres. He is at .60 PPG in his career right now and would even out our scoring wingers, getting some relief for Terry and enabling us to deploy Zegas at center full time.

His contract is up after this season and he will not only command quite a bit in regards of cash, but he surely wants to be anywhere else but Buffalo (like, seriously, who doesn't?) and be able to win a game or two.

Buffalo has Lukkonen but nothing else in net, as Reimer will most likely retire. An experienced goaltender would easy the pressure for Lukkonen and might help stabilize their god awful defense. Peterka allegedly doesn't really want to extend his contract, and despite being RFA, is adamant to go somewhere else and play meaningful hockey after November. (Was told just that a few days ago by a friend in Bavaria who is friends with Bad Tölz's upper echelon, where Peterka played his first major junior hockey - I have *no idea* if this is true or not, but thought I'd share.)
If they are indeed at a stalemate with their extension talks, Buffalo needs to accept the L and get something of worth for him.

Seeing that Cozens immediately became a valuable, productive player after his trade from Buffalaugh to Ottawa, I am absolutely willing to bet Peterka might end up a high-end first line winger for pretty much any other NHL team if played correctly.

Therefore, I'd immediately offer something of value for Peterka, with the only untouchables being Leo, Z, McT, Cutter, Terry, Minty, Zell, Lacombe, Dostal and Sennecke.

Good idea but Buffalo signed UPL to a 5 year, $4.75 million contract that still has 4 years to go. Having $11 million tied up in goaltending would be a tough ask for them.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Guentzel might be a good comp for Marner and Guentzel was traded for a 3rd without a signing guaranty (at least not a formal one).

To a team who has a reasonable chance to sign with, agreed 100%. I don’t think the Ducks would, hence a 7th bring the only thing I think he’s worth.

 

[tomd]

To a team who has a reasonable chance to sign with, agreed 100%. I don’t think the Ducks would, hence a 7th bring the only thing I think he’s worth.

I agree except that I wouldn't even waste a 7th.

 

[Bender66]

If ducks sign Marner for 14M, i fear it would be Sergei Fedorov situation all over again.

 

[CrazyDuck4u]

PV has to be creative with the contracts. Regarding the taxes. Otherwise FA don't wanna come. We need to start winning more and bring in a likable coach

 

[ohcomeonref]

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[DavidBL]

The deferred money does not work like you think it does. His cap would still be in the $14M range. He’d just be getting a ton more money than Frank got in 10 years. It’s all about his present day value combined with the time value of money.

I think I have a pretty good understanding of deferred contracts. It's just a way to mitigate some of the lost extra year. It will affect the cap hit for sure. How much depends on how it's structured and if he's okay with it.

@tomd I don't think there is a high probability he signs here. But I think it odd how so many people seem to KNOW he won't.