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If it's going to take Clarke or Greentree to acquire Tuch, the smart move is to just move on from that idea altogether and go with a more underwhelming but far less expensive option for adding a scoring winger.

Palmeri, Bjorkstrand, someone like that who you can acquire for a couple picks and call it a day.

Greentree looks like an absolute gem of a pick and there's seriously high potential there. Clarke has a ton of upside especially if this organization decides to let him play freely. Would be a potentially pretty devastating mistake to trade either player IMO.

I love the idea of adding Tuch, but if the price is too high, the price is too high.
 
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There is nothing the Kings can acquire sans a 4'x8' sheet of 1/2" thick steel to cover the net that will make any significant difference.

The club needs a complete overhaul from top to bottom. And it will be painful as this current club doesn't have a young Kopitar, Doughty, Quick and a couple years older Brown to build out from.
 
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lumbergh said:
I still think Turcotte is a much likelier trade chip than Clarke. Both have value and potential, but the Kings are trying to upgrade Turcotte's spot, not Clarke's spot.
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Turcotte I don't see. Two more years at league minimum. Still has plenty of upside if he can keep his head up. Helps the cap.

Feel like they're adding a physical player so they don't have both Turcotte & Laferriere getting targeted going into the playoffs. Doesn't mean they aren't interested in both players still.


Lt Dan said:
I'll do a trade boards quality trade proposal

To Buffalo: Spence, 2047 7th rounder, 2084 6th rounder, conditional 2nd in 2090
(the conditions are that the Kings must win 64 straight cups and Tuch has to win a grammy)
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To be a true trade board proposal you need to work in Byfield to NYR for some bottom 6 guys & a D they're trying to dump.
 
Tuch is Laferriere on roids--but he won't be worth the ask. He's not a dynamic difference maker, the Kings are allergic to those, anyone that doesn't play bubblehockey on their rails is waiver fodder. He's another north-south 5v5 allstar, not a pace-changing PP threat.

Still won't stop them from giving up Clarke/Spence, Turcotte/Laf, Greentree, and a 1st.

Like all of Blake's other trades, the other side wins in 1-2 years tops. This deadline is gonna be the final nail in the coffin for this franchise's next 5 years.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Tuch is Laferriere on roids--but he won't be worth the ask. He's not a dynamic difference maker, the Kings are allergic to those, anyone that doesn't play bubblehockey on their rails is waiver fodder. He's another north-south 5v5 allstar, not a pace-changing PP threat.

Still won't stop them from giving up Clarke/Spence, Turcotte/Laf, Greentree, and a 1st.

Like all of Blake's other trades, the other side wins in 1-2 years tops. This deadline is gonna be the final nail in the coffin for this franchise's next 5 years.
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I like the comparison, and I agree that Tuch won’t be worth what he costs, but let’s not pretend that Tuch isn’t quite a bit more skilled. I’m sure that had a lot to do with perceived value to most fans (and rob blake)

Tuch is more sizzle. Laffy is more Steak.
 
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Tuch did have a nice PPG season in 22-23.. seems to be an outlier, but still 60-70 point guy reliably... right handed. I mean since LAK are going to continue living right above the event horizon - Nashville style, it looks like it would be a good add.
 
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Trash Panda said:
I like the comparison, and I agree that Tuch won’t be worth what he costs, but let’s not pretend that Tuch isn’t quite a bit more skilled. I’m sure that had a lot to do with perceived value to most fans (and rob blake)

Tuch is more sizzle. Laffy is more Steak.
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I agree, I really really like Tuch's game

But especially from a production and games-played-due-to-injuries standpoint, for all intents and purposes, Tuch is Arvidsson. If we're lucky and he's healthy and not susceptible to the Kings tax and isn't just seeing increased production due to a larger role on a no-expectations team.

And even then...he's downhill soon.
 
Tuch is being underrated here. Not far from Kempe as a player. He is much closer to Kempe level than Laf/Arvidsson. He would be an amazing addition and on a great contract. Would prefer to not move Clarke or Greentree yet if we were moving Kempe or Brown at the same age we would require one of those types in any deal and not be wrong to ask for such. The idea of a deal around Spence + 1st + Moore completely ignores BUF need and frankly not going to land any true impact piece.
 
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AnThGrt said:
Tuch is being underrated here. Not far from Kempe as a player. He is much closer to Kempe level than Laf/Arvidsson. He would be an amazing addition and on a great contract. Would prefer to not move Clarke or Greentree yet if we were moving Kempe or Brown at the same age we would require one of those types in any deal and not be wrong to ask for such. The idea of a deal around Spence + 1st + Moore completely ignores BUF need and frankly not going to land any true impact piece.
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it doesn't ignore BUF need, theyre thin on RHD, spence replaces some of the offense that tuch provides, and they get a 1st. its the only deal i would make, but i understand if buffalo doesnt bite on it.
 
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AnThGrt said:
Tuch is being underrated here. Not far from Kempe as a player. He is much closer to Kempe level than Laf/Arvidsson. He would be an amazing addition and on a great contract. Would prefer to not move Clarke or Greentree yet if we were moving Kempe or Brown at the same age we would require one of those types in any deal and not be wrong to ask for such. The idea of a deal around Spence + 1st + Moore completely ignores BUF need and frankly not going to land any true impact piece.
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Nope.

He's been Kempe level for one full season. Kempes been at the same pace for 4, 37 goals pace since breaking out. Tuch's been much closer to Arvidsson level for the rest, including the games missed. Outside of that season he's been at a 24 goal pace for the last 4. He'll be 29 years old in a couple of short months. He will be a regrettable addition on value in short order and then will get overpaid for 7-8 years.

Love his game, love the size speed and power. In a lot of ways he's a 'perfect fit' because he basically already plays simple-style Kings hockey...does that even help us on the PP? And we don't need 5v5 driving help, we need toughness but more importantly finishing ability. But he's going to be, rightfully from Buffalos' standpoint, overvalued in a trade and I don't think he's going to be getting better after this year unless he suddenly finds a way to play closer to a full season uninjured...but even then, power forwards entering their 30s are like running backs...

And that's before the Kings' offensive tax and whatever they put in their water that turns hulks like Jeannot and Edmundson into easily toppled kitty cats once they pull on the Kings jersey.
 
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my take on Greentree. Yeah he looks sick now, but his value is extremely high right now. Could be a buy low, sell high situation? Shades of Brayden Schenn when he averages 4 points a game in WJC and was made part of a package for Richards. If we can flip Greentree for a good young player on a reasonable contract that fits on this current roster, why not?
 
raswilliam said:
my take on Greentree. Yeah he looks sick now, but his value is extremely high right now. Could be a buy low, sell high situation? Shades of Brayden Schenn when he averages 4 points a game in WJC and was made part of a package for Richards. If we can flip Greentree for a good young player on a reasonable contract that fits on this current roster, why not?
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I am probably guilty of overvaluing prospects, but I wouldn't. He is going to be special.

Plus , we need to get younger. Kopitar is going to retire soon and the Kings are going to to take a giant step backwards
 
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unicornpig said:
it doesn't ignore BUF need, theyre thin on RHD, spence replaces some of the offense that tuch provides, and they get a 1st. its the only deal i would make, but i understand if buffalo doesnt bite on it.
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Spence would be 4th on their right side behind Byram, Clifton, and Joker. They need a Roy, Gavrikov, etc type not Spence. Spence provides offense? 26 pts pace while regularly being put in offensive situations is unarguably bad for what should be a two way yet alone offensive D-man.

Also, Buffalo is stacked with youth. They do not need 1sts they desperately need another Tuch type or two. They have been rebuilding for over a decade. Youngest team in the league in desperate need of leadership. Trading their top heart and soul type piece who loves Buffalo and was their center piece for Eichel makes no sense. Much less for a bottom pairing D (potential #4 guy), late 1st over a yr away, and with his play this yr a net neutral Moore.
 
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raswilliam said:
my take on Greentree. Yeah he looks sick now, but his value is extremely high right now. Could be a buy low, sell high situation? Shades of Brayden Schenn when he averages 4 points a game in WJC and was made part of a package for Richards. If we can flip Greentree for a good young player on a reasonable contract that fits on this current roster, why not?
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Who are you getting for Greentree and, in this scenario, a Simmonds type player that the Kings don't have to offer?

Schenn was the #1 prospect in the world. Greentree is nowhere near that. Flipping him now would basically just be trading a 1st round pick that holds a little more value than it did last season.

The answer to "why not?" is "why?" Let's not forget that Cam Talbot made the all-star team last season and proceeded to be benched in the playoffs. This team is riding Keumper into the ground just like Talbot last year. They will get cooked in the playoffs, if they make it.
 
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