2025 NHL DRAFT Thread

[BHFAN92]

I understand why the Islanders would want to do that. I don't understand why the Sharks and Hawks would go along with it when they can just not and force the Isles to take Hagens 1st. Why do the Isles get to take both the other teams to the woodshed if they're guaranteed to also get the guy they actually want afterwards?

it quite genius actually.. Blackhawks and Sharks get the guys they want and now the Blackhawks have not technically jumped up in the lottery leaving them still eligible for the 26 draft jump up. Isles playing with house money

 

[Callidusblackhawk]

it quite genius actually.. Blackhawks and Sharks get the guys they want and now the Blackhawks have not technically jumped up in the lottery leaving them still eligible for the 26 draft jump up. Isles playing with house money

Genius for the Isles, braindead for the the Hawks and Sharks. The Hawks and Sharks can get the guys they want without giving them anything lol.

 

[ClydeLee]

Genius for the Isles, braindead for the the Hawks and Sharks. The Hawks and Sharks can get the guys they want without giving them anything lol.

Or they dont.. because the Islanders just take Schaeffer

 

[Beukeboom Fan]

I understand why the Islanders would want to do that. I don't understand why the Sharks and Hawks would go along with it when they can just not and force the Isles to take Hagens 1st. Why do the Isles get to take both the other teams to the woodshed if they're guaranteed to also get the guy they actually want afterwards?

If I'm the Sharks and the Isles say make the proposed deal or we're taking Shaefer, it's a slam dunk. Sharks (and thr Hawks) have had a ridiculous amount of draft capital so it's a really small price to pay to get the guy they need. The Isles just have to be smart enough to stick to their guns and if Grier/KD say no, they take Shaefer and everything goes as expected.

 

[BHFAN92]

Genius for the Isles, braindead for the the Hawks and Sharks. The Hawks and Sharks can get the guys they want without giving them anything lol.

ya you seem to value players in this draft quite differently then I do and that's fine.

 

[BHFAN92]

If I'm the Sharks, it's and the Isles say make the proposed deal or we're taking Shaefer, it's a slam dunk. Sharks (and thr Hawks) have had a ridiculous amount of draft capital so it's a really small price to pay to get the guy they need. The Isles just have to be smart enough to stick to their guns and if Grier/KD say no, they take Shaefer and everything goes as expected.

bingo! This is exactly the take. Hence why Isles are playing with house money. They were not expecting to be top 5 let alone #1. This draft would allow them to still get their guy "Hagens" while also gaining more capital either with prospects or picks.. meanwhile Blackhawks get top forward and Sharks get the top Defenseman. If Hagens was say 6'1 I would be all over the Blackhawks taking him at #3..problem is he is not

 

[BHFAN92]

Legit question why is Caleb Desnoyers getting so much hype lately over Jake O'Brien? Like I legit cant figure it out. O'Brien plays in a better more competitive league the OHL vs Desnoyers in QMJHL. They are both centers and O'Brien is 6'2 170 vs Desnoyers at 6'2 172. O'Brien had 98 points in 66 vs Desnoyers who had 84 pts in 56 games. If Blackhawks stay at #3 I want O'Brien

 

[Drumman44]

Legit question why is Caleb Desnoyers getting so much hype lately over Jake O'Brien? Like I legit cant figure it out. O'Brien plays in a better more competitive league the OHL vs Desnoyers in QMJHL. They are both centers and O'Brien is 6'2 170 vs Desnoyers at 6'2 172. O'Brien had 98 points in 66 vs Desnoyers who had 84 pts in 56 games. If Blackhawks stay at #3 I want O'Brien

Fiddy is that you?

 

[BHFAN92]

Fiddy is that you?

I dont get it? What is correlation to Fiddy?

 

[Drumman44]

I dont get it? What is correlation to Fiddy?

He has been banging the drum about O’Brien for a while now

 

[BHFAN92]

He has been banging the drum about O’Brien for a while now

Ahh gotcha. I was like my grammar is nowhere near that bad. In fact I dont ready Fiddy because I can never make sense of what he is trying to say

 

[dj Mahoney]

Desnoyer's and his Moncton Wildcats play toniight.. Game is on TSN in Canada Perfect time to see the #3 overall pick by Kyle D .

 

[featherhawk]

Desnoyer's and his Moncton Wildcats play toniight.. Game is on TSN in Canada Perfect time to see the #3 overall pick by Kyle D .

It might be however there are alot of options for the hawks at 3 so time will tell. I do think how Desnoyers plays against the WHL and OHL champs will be a good measuring stick for all teams scouts.

 

[featherhawk]

Ahh gotcha. I was like my grammar is nowhere near that bad. In fact I dont ready Fiddy because I can never make sense of what he is trying to say

same, just simply scroll by every post from Fiddy! its giberish

 

[bwanajamba]

Legit question why is Caleb Desnoyers getting so much hype lately over Jake O'Brien? Like I legit cant figure it out. O'Brien plays in a better more competitive league the OHL vs Desnoyers in QMJHL. They are both centers and O'Brien is 6'2 170 vs Desnoyers at 6'2 172. O'Brien had 98 points in 66 vs Desnoyers who had 84 pts in 56 games. If Blackhawks stay at #3 I want O'Brien

O'Brien feasted on a great powerplay but produced far fewer primary points and even strength points compared to Desnoyers. Their scoring rate being about the same (1.5 ppg for CD vs 1.48 for O'Brien) doesn't actually speak all that favorably for O'Brien. He plays an incredibly junior game that he will more or less need to reinvent to succeed as a pro while Desnoyers plays a simpler but skilled and intelligent game that should translate well to the pros. The OHL is a better league but it is also a higher scoring environment than the Q. Desnoyers was 2nd in his entire league in points per game; O'Brien was 3rd on his own team.

That's all without considering the playoffs, where O'Brien's production dropped considerably and Desnoyers' has increased considerably and led his entire league by more than .5 points per game.

I can see an argument for O'Brien having a higher ceiling based purely on the tools but I don't see the difference as that large and Desnoyers has a lot fewer holes in his game

 

[pvr]

Ahh gotcha. I was like my grammar is nowhere near that bad. In fact I dont ready Fiddy because I can never make sense of what he is trying to say

Thank god we have a fiddy translator to help us.

 

[bwana63]

O'Brien feasted on a great powerplay but produced far fewer primary points and even strength points compared to Desnoyers. Their scoring rate being about the same (1.5 ppg for CD vs 1.48 for O'Brien) doesn't actually speak all that favorably for O'Brien. He plays an incredibly junior game that he will more or less need to reinvent to succeed as a pro while Desnoyers plays a simpler but skilled and intelligent game that should translate well to the pros. The OHL is a better league but it is also a higher scoring environment than the Q. Desnoyers was 2nd in his entire league in points per game; O'Brien was 3rd on his own team.

That's all without considering the playoffs, where O'Brien's production dropped considerably and Desnoyers' has increased considerably and led his entire league by more than .5 points per game.

I can see an argument for O'Brien having a higher ceiling based purely on the tools but I don't see the difference as that large and Desnoyers has a lot fewer holes in his game

this is a great example why I frequent this board. excellent insight, I appreciate it.

 

[BHFAN92]

O'Brien feasted on a great powerplay but produced far fewer primary points and even strength points compared to Desnoyers. Their scoring rate being about the same (1.5 ppg for CD vs 1.48 for O'Brien) doesn't actually speak all that favorably for O'Brien. He plays an incredibly junior game that he will more or less need to reinvent to succeed as a pro while Desnoyers plays a simpler but skilled and intelligent game that should translate well to the pros. The OHL is a better league but it is also a higher scoring environment than the Q. Desnoyers was 2nd in his entire league in points per game; O'Brien was 3rd on his own team.

That's all without considering the playoffs, where O'Brien's production dropped considerably and Desnoyers' has increased considerably and led his entire league by more than .5 points per game.

I can see an argument for O'Brien having a higher ceiling based purely on the tools but I don't see the difference as that large and Desnoyers has a lot fewer holes in his game

I appreciate the feedback! I legit havent watched them play other than highlights. I feel like O'Brien has way more of playmaker to his game while Desnoyers looks more like a natural scorer.I do like the better league competition of OHL but its not the end all. One plus for O'Brien is playing already with Vanacker and Lardis

 

[RaquetPeanutSteering]

Desnoyers is showing more skill than I gave him credit for. He has some real slick hands and vision. Shows some real savvy at creating lanes and exploiting them, albeit against much less talented competition. Hard to gauge, because his skating can look plus at times, but the guys in the Q also look so much less physically talented as a whole than the rest of the CHL.

 

[TJBrocker]

Ahh gotcha. I was like my grammar is nowhere near that bad. In fact I dont ready Fiddy because I can never make sense of what he is trying to say

That and they’re too damn long.

 

[Njfj]

I think there is a little too much being made out of Desnoyers playing in the Q. There are examples of great prospects coming out of lesser leagues.

Case in point, Cale Makar was drafted out of the AJHL

 

[Kevin Musto]

I think there is a little too much being made out of Desnoyers playing in the Q. There are examples of great prospects coming out of lesser leagues.

Case in point, Cale Makar was drafted out of the AJHL

Makar was always committed to college.

We haven't heard yet if Des will take that route.