no not every move.. Bedard was a good pick and I liked Nazar but other than that ya dogshit and pennies on the dollar moves. Major overpayments past 2 yrs for straight washed up vets.
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BHawks77
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Thats pretty extreme viewpoint on propects! Hard say that this early as prospects take time like I said to BWC.
Also what veterans would you have brought in that were available and were realistic for Hawks. Dont say Guentzel as Hawks tried to sign him but he chose Tampa for obvious reasons!
Brodie was head scratcher but other than that just place holders until prospect are ready.
After last night's games:
Ryan Green has taken 379 draws in 22 games and has won 209 of them for a 55% success rate. He averages 19:55 ice-time per game.
Oliver Moore has taken 421 draws in 25 games and has won 210 of them for a 50% success rate. He averages 17:05 ice-time per game.
Face-offs are one of those things that gets better as one ages. With Moore being 2 years younger than Greene I expect his numbers to be at least as good as Greene's by the time he's at the same age.
I mean yeah he did overpay for a bunch of vets. But that's how you fill out a roster while tanking/rebuilding. I mean someone has to play games while the kids are developing.
None of the overpayments have term on their deals and will be off the books by the time they have to pay anyone. Yeah the Brodie deal is looking awful but is it really going to prevent them from doing anything that they want to do?
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People are getting so worked up about players who won’t be here two years from now when the games start to matter. Let the kids marinate for now. Kyle needs to stay the course.
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Every plan is great until you get punched in the face. Yeah, they underachieved to start the season so they had to fire the coach. It's really easy to question everything after the fact. So what would you have done differently?
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Who cares about Rockford? We went from Q-->Colliton-->King-->LuRich. That's a huge drop off and a long time of having a terrible coaching unit. The NHL is what matters and we have enough young kids up on the Hawks, not in Rockford, that need to learn a decent structure while they're up here. This is way better than have them be offensively suffocated by Richardson or doing god knows what with a a guy like Colliton.
Bedard, Bertuzzi(not young but important), Teuvo, Vlassic, Reichel, Allan, Kurashev, Nazar, Crevier, Dach, Kaiser, Del Mastro, and Korchinski. When these guys are in the lineup we're hoping theyre getting better as young NHLers. It doesn't help us to have them play like shit just to finish last instead of second to last. When guys like Korchinski, Levshunov, Slaggert, etc...do come up from Rockford I'd rather they be hopping into an established system that's at least a decent way of playing hockey as opposed to a total mess.
HawksDub89
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Hawks CANNOTv rely on wingers bir both top 2vkinesxto take faceoffs...
Of Bedard is C =32% = Terribke.. waste ifvtonexas always starting withoutvtge puck and chasing whetgervin o-zovevor d-zone...
Havecto see if Nazar is C Anand Bedardxat wing what Nazarxdoes on draws..if low again,it is a big problem for linec1.
As to linev2..again lip-squeak 5'10.5 C in HGens who also is wellbeing water in draws=NO Way Hawks want that again..
Clearly if Hawks do not get tge #1inDmanSchaefer(do it all franchise #1Dnan..#2KD) then next target has got to be Michael Misa as a 2C solution whose alk roubd game ,soze,soeed are all better than Bedard plys he is almost 55% on drawsand takes lots of draws ..in effectva greatx2C solution whose talent is 1C anyway.
Will gove Bedard or Nazar a run for the money as Hawks best center and so you coukd get the 2C both out-sxoribg the 1C ...driving a libecand better shot and possession metrics and at least giving Hawks a 1-2punch up the middle for a change.The very threat of a cl patent rented C forcthe2nf kine shoukd help ease checking pressure on line 1 because now oops have to pick their poison to try to stop.
In any case..Hawks need an elite 2nd top six C,an eklte 2C..to drive kinec2 and maybe even to be thevtop scorer on the Hawks.
However theyvalso need a top #1D...so.5 is not that despite his big minutes.. zschaefer looks to be exactly that even though he is a LD...but one which cobtrol a game when on shift...ellte ellte inpact.
So very clear to me there are 2 CLEAR solutions for very important Hawks needs that have to be solved for and not YET in the pipeline..
So 1 Schaefer 2.Misa
If Hawks land neither because both off the boardxif Hawks pick at#3 or#4 , then pssiblyvtradexdpwn if a teamwabts Martone and still get Desnoyers as a C...even better defense from the C position...even better faceoff w% than Misa...and still lots of offebsive talent and impact.If a team took him 4d then still get Martobexat #4...
So I think these 4 should be the top 4 Hawks targets..
If Hawks can package the Toronto 1st and our own 2nd to move back up earlier into round 1 ,tgere could becaxtraget they woukd like to get in the teens...
Or maybe a package of thise picks for an existing roster player fron another team who are pick short this draft and may already have others blocking the right role for this younger player Hawks targeting in a trade?
Of Bedard is C =32% = Terribke.. waste ifvtonexas always starting withoutvtge puck and chasing whetgervin o-zovevor d-zone...
Havecto see if Nazar is C Anand Bedardxat wing what Nazarxdoes on draws..if low again,it is a big problem for linec1.
As to linev2..again lip-squeak 5'10.5 C in HGens who also is wellbeing water in draws=NO Way Hawks want that again..
Clearly if Hawks do not get tge #1inDmanSchaefer(do it all franchise #1Dnan..#2KD) then next target has got to be Michael Misa as a 2C solution whose alk roubd game ,soze,soeed are all better than Bedard plys he is almost 55% on drawsand takes lots of draws ..in effectva greatx2C solution whose talent is 1C anyway.
Will gove Bedard or Nazar a run for the money as Hawks best center and so you coukd get the 2C both out-sxoribg the 1C ...driving a libecand better shot and possession metrics and at least giving Hawks a 1-2punch up the middle for a change.The very threat of a cl patent rented C forcthe2nf kine shoukd help ease checking pressure on line 1 because now oops have to pick their poison to try to stop.
In any case..Hawks need an elite 2nd top six C,an eklte 2C..to drive kinec2 and maybe even to be thevtop scorer on the Hawks.
However theyvalso need a top #1D...so.5 is not that despite his big minutes.. zschaefer looks to be exactly that even though he is a LD...but one which cobtrol a game when on shift...ellte ellte inpact.
So very clear to me there are 2 CLEAR solutions for very important Hawks needs that have to be solved for and not YET in the pipeline..
So 1 Schaefer 2.Misa
If Hawks land neither because both off the boardxif Hawks pick at#3 or#4 , then pssiblyvtradexdpwn if a teamwabts Martone and still get Desnoyers as a C...even better defense from the C position...even better faceoff w% than Misa...and still lots of offebsive talent and impact.If a team took him 4d then still get Martobexat #4...
So I think these 4 should be the top 4 Hawks targets..
If Hawks can package the Toronto 1st and our own 2nd to move back up earlier into round 1 ,tgere could becaxtraget they woukd like to get in the teens...
Or maybe a package of thise picks for an existing roster player fron another team who are pick short this draft and may already have others blocking the right role for this younger player Hawks targeting in a trade?
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I see the value in this draft is picking forwards in the 10-25 range. Kindel, Murtagh, Bear, Spence, O'brien, Martin, Lakovic, Carbonneau, Eklund, Zonnon, and Cootes. Some might go earlier or later, but the meat of this draft are these guys who all have a fair chance of being top 6 forwards, some more than others.
We can bank on Toronto screwing up to get 1-2 of these guys
We can bank on Toronto screwing up to get 1-2 of these guys
While I wished we got more from the vet's we did bring in, they are decent pro's----Foligo, Hall, Donato, Teravainen, Martiniez, Bertuzzi......they are influencing the future leaders, the culture to be and hopefully the prosperity that lies ahead. ....I like what's coming down the pipe, but it seems a ways away too.
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NHL Draft 2025 top prospects: Matthew Schaefer leads Corey Pronman’s midseason ranking
Erie defenseman Matthew Schaefer is Pronman's No. 1 ranked prospect and the favorite to go first in the draft.
www.nytimes.com
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I want Schaefer but I'll be happy with any of the top 3 forwards if we don't get the 1st pick.
EddieTheEagle
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I'm with you. Just finish last/low and if you get bumped to 3rd or 4th pick overall due to the lottery, take whoever is there.
As long as we leave this draft with one of Schaefer, Misa, Hagens, or Martone, I am good. I just don't want to see any big brain moves come draft day where we take someone off the board early on.
Misa now up to 191lbs at 6'1...
DraftvPros just came out on a YouTube scoutibg repirtvon hom
.the description in one word=flawless..Hasvno weaknesses to work on..Ticks boxes in every aspect ofvtge game..Will be OHL pkayervof tge moth infantry..obviously team Canada workdcJrs made a huge mistake not having him on their WorkdcJuniorscsquad where so many Canada pkayerschadctribkecscoring..
GEhas answered tgexsbub with ridiculous goals and assists numbers..plus he isca greatc2 way pkayer. And is near 55% on draws..
Draft OmOros thinks he goescroghtvto thexNHL next season.
I have hin rated over Hagens asctge best forward and Venter orosoectvifvthis draft..Hagesvis not flawless.. a gidd pkayer butcsonevusduescconcernme..Anotgerc5'19.5Center is not what Hawks need..Also his orivikedged situations.. beibg the go to guy in his23/24 season is like still playing onan alk star age group team..Then this season as the 1C between LeobardxandxOerrauktcat B C is very privileged situation..Yet he has skewed way morectovasostscthan goalsxscored..He shoukdvhave had a lot more goals by now..Notcas impressive as Cekebrini as a 1C for hosvless provikedgrdcsituonat B.U last season in his freshman onexandcdobe year.
Not sure Hagens is a one-and done next season like Misa will.
I just see Hagebsxas a wrong fit forcthexHawksxanyway...I see Nisaxas instant impact.. like having a 1C pkayibgv2C and driving that line..
So thevonly question I my mind is that takibg Misa even at #1overalk isxa need fikher the Hawks cannot go wrong at.. except Schaefer is a 1D solution forca Cup team core down rhebkibev..even ifcSchaefer may need anither yearvi juniors next season because hevis so very young and missed the back half of this season with injury from thecWJHC..
It is a very very very tough decision to pass ona perfectcsikurion forcacHawks need to get another perfect solution (but one that needs more development tine.
.Tge NHK GM manual says aleaysxtake a franchise 1D over a Forwardceven if hecwilk film a top linevorx2bd line C and star.
Either way hopefully Hawks get 1 of thesex2 too targets ..
Less sold on Hagens. ALSO sonevisduesxwith Martione.
Which is why if Hawks draft 3rdcor 4th and both Schaefer and Misa off tge biard ;ifvtge choice is Martibe Hagens or the next one on my list (Caleb Denoywrs(, I woukd take Drnoyers. The next best 2C solution i rge Hawks case..Eveb better defebsiveky than Misa. Maybe better in draws(but has taken less than half of the number of draws Misa has but is near 64% on the ones he has taken
and as Draft Pros says is the smartest 2 way forward in the draft butcalso with sone very goidcoffebsive skill.. Like hisvoace ..Alwaysxkeeosxfeet moving yet has tge smarts to also slow the down and spit open guys. I think Misa has better straight line soeed and shot..but Desnoyers can reakky puckhandke and has thisxswioibgvabikury tibfetxaroubd checkers with ouckbob husxstick. Just a lot of things to like about his game too..Still think he can get to an even higher ceiling but probably needs 1 mire season I Juniors. Whereas I think Misa is NHK ready next season..
So I have a top 3 perfect fit for the Hawks:
1 Schaefer
2.Misa
3.Desnoyers (well over 6'2...may 6'2.5 now but still need to fill out hiscframe ( will dominate even more once he adds the weight/muscle(.
Ifcalk 3 go off the biard ahead of Hawkscshoukd Hawks draftxat #4 , then I take Martone over Hagens as a better needs fit and size infusion.. but hopefully trade down 1 spot of team drafting at #5 wants to move to land Hagens if their need is Center not wing.
Tgerevid no way anotgerc5'10.5 shrimpy Center is a fit forcany Hawks need..
This is notctovsY Hagensxcannot be a fit for sone other team.
I just hope KF understands this and does not go undersized forward/Center ..again.
No matter if his BOA board puts Hagens top 2 as per the consensus to date( which I think is both overating Hagens and not really putting him into any context of fit for what Hawks need).
DraftvPros just came out on a YouTube scoutibg repirtvon hom
.the description in one word=flawless..Hasvno weaknesses to work on..Ticks boxes in every aspect ofvtge game..Will be OHL pkayervof tge moth infantry..obviously team Canada workdcJrs made a huge mistake not having him on their WorkdcJuniorscsquad where so many Canada pkayerschadctribkecscoring..
GEhas answered tgexsbub with ridiculous goals and assists numbers..plus he isca greatc2 way pkayer. And is near 55% on draws..
Draft OmOros thinks he goescroghtvto thexNHL next season.
I have hin rated over Hagens asctge best forward and Venter orosoectvifvthis draft..Hagesvis not flawless.. a gidd pkayer butcsonevusduescconcernme..Anotgerc5'19.5Center is not what Hawks need..Also his orivikedged situations.. beibg the go to guy in his23/24 season is like still playing onan alk star age group team..Then this season as the 1C between LeobardxandxOerrauktcat B C is very privileged situation..Yet he has skewed way morectovasostscthan goalsxscored..He shoukdvhave had a lot more goals by now..Notcas impressive as Cekebrini as a 1C for hosvless provikedgrdcsituonat B.U last season in his freshman onexandcdobe year.
Not sure Hagens is a one-and done next season like Misa will.
I just see Hagebsxas a wrong fit forcthexHawksxanyway...I see Nisaxas instant impact.. like having a 1C pkayibgv2C and driving that line..
So thevonly question I my mind is that takibg Misa even at #1overalk isxa need fikher the Hawks cannot go wrong at.. except Schaefer is a 1D solution forca Cup team core down rhebkibev..even ifcSchaefer may need anither yearvi juniors next season because hevis so very young and missed the back half of this season with injury from thecWJHC..
It is a very very very tough decision to pass ona perfectcsikurion forcacHawks need to get another perfect solution (but one that needs more development tine.
.Tge NHK GM manual says aleaysxtake a franchise 1D over a Forwardceven if hecwilk film a top linevorx2bd line C and star.
Either way hopefully Hawks get 1 of thesex2 too targets ..
Less sold on Hagens. ALSO sonevisduesxwith Martione.
Which is why if Hawks draft 3rdcor 4th and both Schaefer and Misa off tge biard ;ifvtge choice is Martibe Hagens or the next one on my list (Caleb Denoywrs(, I woukd take Drnoyers. The next best 2C solution i rge Hawks case..Eveb better defebsiveky than Misa. Maybe better in draws(but has taken less than half of the number of draws Misa has but is near 64% on the ones he has taken
and as Draft Pros says is the smartest 2 way forward in the draft butcalso with sone very goidcoffebsive skill.. Like hisvoace ..Alwaysxkeeosxfeet moving yet has tge smarts to also slow the down and spit open guys. I think Misa has better straight line soeed and shot..but Desnoyers can reakky puckhandke and has thisxswioibgvabikury tibfetxaroubd checkers with ouckbob husxstick. Just a lot of things to like about his game too..Still think he can get to an even higher ceiling but probably needs 1 mire season I Juniors. Whereas I think Misa is NHK ready next season..
So I have a top 3 perfect fit for the Hawks:
1 Schaefer
2.Misa
3.Desnoyers (well over 6'2...may 6'2.5 now but still need to fill out hiscframe ( will dominate even more once he adds the weight/muscle(.
Ifcalk 3 go off the biard ahead of Hawkscshoukd Hawks draftxat #4 , then I take Martone over Hagens as a better needs fit and size infusion.. but hopefully trade down 1 spot of team drafting at #5 wants to move to land Hagens if their need is Center not wing.
Tgerevid no way anotgerc5'10.5 shrimpy Center is a fit forcany Hawks need..
This is notctovsY Hagensxcannot be a fit for sone other team.
I just hope KF understands this and does not go undersized forward/Center ..again.
No matter if his BOA board puts Hagens top 2 as per the consensus to date( which I think is both overating Hagens and not really putting him into any context of fit for what Hawks need).
EddieTheEagle
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I don't want to win the draft lotto this year.
Seems dumb but I really don't want to be excluded from the ability to win the lotto for McKenna. We will for sure be in the range to jump 10 spots next season with a bottom 10 finish. I am saving up all my luck and making offerings to the Lord of the Lotto™, @Rooh, for the 2026 lotto.
This year, finish low AF, see where the chips fall and get bumped or maintain position. Don't want this year to be deemed a "win" of the lotto.
Seems dumb but I really don't want to be excluded from the ability to win the lotto for McKenna. We will for sure be in the range to jump 10 spots next season with a bottom 10 finish. I am saving up all my luck and making offerings to the Lord of the Lotto™, @Rooh, for the 2026 lotto.
This year, finish low AF, see where the chips fall and get bumped or maintain position. Don't want this year to be deemed a "win" of the lotto.
I believe if we finish dead last this would not impact next yrs draft.
EddieTheEagle
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You are correct. I just can't see us out-tanking the Shorkz. If we do, great.
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I would prefer to out tank the Sharks. I know everyone is looking at Gavin McKenna & Landon Dupont but fail to see that Matthew Schaefer is on same level of elite tier player. I would sell off virtually any veteran (30 and older) that can return us a pick at this point.
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We're 1 point up on SJS with 3 games in hand. 32 games left for us which is a lot of hockey but last place is currently looking out of reach. The Sharks are probably due for some wins though, they're 2-8 in their last 10 meanwhile we're 3-4-3.
A shootout loss to NSH, W against Vegas, OTL's against Tampa and Carolina, and beating Tampa were not very helpful for the tank or expected based on the strength of schedule. I'm not too worried about it as I'm glad these kids are starting to play well.
A shootout loss to NSH, W against Vegas, OTL's against Tampa and Carolina, and beating Tampa were not very helpful for the tank or expected based on the strength of schedule. I'm not too worried about it as I'm glad these kids are starting to play well.
I mean I desperately want Schaefer but landing one of Misa or Hagens would go along way with Forward depth.
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I feel guilty for thinking this, but I kind of prefer finishing second to last this year and drafting 2nd and ideally taking Misa. Imagine a top 9 in 2-3 years of...
Nazar-Bedard-Rantanen
Boisvert-Misa-Bertuzzi
Dach-Moore-TT
That's the making of a pretty solid top 9. Just need to figure out who the legit second line guy is for Misa, if they go that route.
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Misa Now Up to 191 lbs at 6'1
DraftPros just released a scouting report on him on YouTube. The best way to describe it in one word? Flawless. He has no noticeable weaknesses and checks every box in his game. He'll likely be the OHL Player of the Month shortly.
Team Canada clearly made a mistake by not including him on their World Juniors squad, where several players struggled to score. Misa has responded by putting up ridiculous numbers in goals and assists. On top of that, he's a great two-way player and winning about 55% of his faceoffs.
DraftPros also predicts he'll head straight to the NHL next season.
I currently rate him above Hagens as the best forward prospect (and center) in this draft. Hagens isn't flawless—he's a gifted player, but there are concerns. Another 5'10.5" center isn’t what the Hawks need. Hagens has often been in privileged situations, being the go-to guy during his 23/24 season, which feels like playing on an All-Star youth team.
This season, he's the 1C between Leonard and Perreault at BC—a highly favorable position. Despite that, he's skewing more toward assists than goals, and I expected more goals by now. He hasn't impressed me as much as Celebrini did as a 1C for BU last year in his freshman season.
I’m not convinced Hagens will be a one-and-done next season like Misa. I see Misa as an instant-impact player—a true 1C playing as a 2C and driving that line.
So, if the Hawks have the #1 overall pick, Misa would be an excellent choice. That said, Schaefer is a potential 1D solution for building a Cup-winning core. However, he may need another year in juniors because he's still very young and missed the back half of this season due to injury at the World Juniors.
It's a very tough decision: a perfect forward fit versus a perfect defensive fit that needs more development time. The NHL GM manual always says to take a franchise 1D over a forward, even if the forward is a top-line or 2C star.
Either way, I hope the Hawks get one of these two top targets.
I'm less sold on Hagens and also have some concerns about Martone.
If the Hawks draft third or fourth and both Schaefer and Misa are off the board, and the choice is Martone, Hagens, or Caleb Desnoyers, I'd take Desnoyers. He's the next-best 2C solution for the Hawks.
Desnoyers plays even better defensively than Misa. He may even be better in the faceoff circle, winning nearly 64% of his draws, although he's taken fewer total faceoffs than Misa. DraftPros also calls him the smartest two-way forward in the draft, with solid offensive skill. He's great at keeping his feet moving while also having the intelligence to slow the game down and create passing lanes.
Misa may have better straight-line speed and a stronger shot, but Desnoyers is an elite puck handler with the ability to maneuver around checkers. There's a lot to like about his game, and I believe he still has an even higher ceiling, though he probably needs one more season in juniors.
Meanwhile, I think Misa is NHL-ready next season.
My top three fits for the Hawks are:
- Schaefer
- Misa
- Desnoyers (who's now well over 6'2" and just needs to fill out his frame; he'll dominate even more once he adds weight and muscle).
If all three are off the board, and the Hawks draft at #4, I'd prefer Martone over Hagens as a better fit for team needs and size. If a team drafting at #5 wants to move up for Hagens, trading down would be smart.
Another 5'10.5" center just isn't what the Hawks need. That doesn't mean Hagens can't be a fit for another team, but he's not right for Chicago.
I just hope management understands this and avoids going with another undersized forward or center, regardless of where Hagens sits on their draft board. The current consensus may be overrating him without considering team fit.
