HF Habs: 2025 NHL Draft: Part II
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MarkovsKnee
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I wonder if you draft someone out of CHL, they play one more year in CHL then go to NCAA does that mean we still only have one more year of their rights?
For CHL drafted players rights are only for 2 years, but NCAA & Euro is 4 years.
I don't think NHL has made any kind of statement on that.
If Misa gets drafted then goes NCAA next year rights are still only for 2 years....
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Leto
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I believe article 8.6 of the CBA answers that question:
I.e it hinges on if the player has committed to play college hockey. If the player commits prior to the deadline of his draft year (June 1), he is considered a college player. The rest of the article details the various scenarios, but I am not a lawyer 
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Perhaps the PA and the NHL will include a clarification in the new CBA or issue a new MOI.
.Perhaps the PA and the NHL will include a clarification in the new CBA or issue a new MOI.
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the rumors are the CHL will be changed from 2 years to 4 years, and the NCAA since it's the last year for the covid 5th year rule, they are going to change it to 5 years anyway.
The Misa rumors seem odd to me as I haven't seen him yet this year but have heard such good things that I had assumed he would be in the NHL next year.
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Yep there is a top 7-8, then a drop. McQueen's health issue makes him a risky prospect and GMs are risk averse. so thats a top 7 at that point. Within that top 7, you have of course Schaefer at the top who projects as a superstar, he is in a tier of his own since there are question marks regarding both Hagens and Martone. Misa, Hagens Matone are the 2nd tier so the top 4 is pretty set at this point, unless Frondell or Eklund have a push in the 2nd half and make their way in that 2nd tier. I like Desnoyers alot and wish the Habs draft him, but his upside is tad more limited than the other top guys, kid projects as a solid 2C, very solid in all areas of the game.
After that top 7-8, there is a signifiant drop as far as the fowards are concerned, you are looking at quality middle 6 or top 6 talents with more question marks. The Ds are fine, but nothing that exciting either, Mrtka could be the most attractive of the bunch since he flashes some upside some nights, but there is no guerantee either since he is pretty raw at that point. Hensler has been a huge disappointment and Im not too familiar with the others, but I dont feel like Im missing much.
Then after the top 15-20, you are looking at 2nd/3rd rounders in a normal year, the depth is that bad, the USNDTP is pretty weak this year, so is the Euro pool. Overall, thats not a good year to get a late 1st at the deadline, better ask for a 2026 1st.
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If you are a draft fan then I would recommend this vid, lots of '25 eligible. First time seeing Sinivuori but I was impressed,
O'Brien Assist 0:30
O'Brien Tip Hits Post 0:59
Sinivuori Goal 3:18
Sinivuori Assist 4:00
Protz to O'Brien 4:25
Wang Rush Up Ice 6:40
Wang Great Chance 8:48
O'Brien Beauty Assist 12:36
Sinivuori Nice Assist 13:03
O'Brien OT Winner 16:12
O'Brien Assist 0:30
O'Brien Tip Hits Post 0:59
Sinivuori Goal 3:18
Sinivuori Assist 4:00
Protz to O'Brien 4:25
Wang Rush Up Ice 6:40
Wang Great Chance 8:48
O'Brien Beauty Assist 12:36
Sinivuori Nice Assist 13:03
O'Brien OT Winner 16:12
I also like Desnoyers but I think he will be drafted before 8OA, so will only be available if the Habs revers back to below 1PPG on average in my opinion.
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I was planning on watching Hensler last night but I turned the game off as it must have been bring your kid to work day at the Big Ten Network, it sounded like the play by play was from a local high school game and after watching the overpriced crap that is Flohockey tv I said f*** it. We'll see about tonight's game.
In the vid I posted on O'Brien, I haven't heard much talk about Simon Wang but 100% he's going to get drafted high as he reminds me a bit of Siliayev and GMs love those tall D that can skate like that.
In the vid I posted on O'Brien, I haven't heard much talk about Simon Wang but 100% he's going to get drafted high as he reminds me a bit of Siliayev and GMs love those tall D that can skate like that.
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Wang is the D version of last year Dean Letourneau, yeah the mix of size and skating is pretty attractive, but he is positionally quite lost when he plays for Oshawa, multiple times its like he is unaware of the treaths on the ice, you see opposite fowards exploit his rawness and lack of defensive awarenesses. Nothing to do with Silayev who was already a stud on the back end in the KHL at 18 yrs old. Wang will likely get drafted late 1st round like Letourneau last year, maybe around 20th OV because thats a weak draft.
I watched parts of the Michigan vs Wisconsin game last night and Hensler had a really good 1st offensively, he created alot and scored a beautiful goal. I will have to rewatch the full game, but its hard to watch Michigan this year, Hage has no one to play with, just a bunch of no skill grinders. I think Hage is looking good overall despite the trash team he is on.
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Gaylord Q Tinkledink
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Hayden Paupenakis has ramped up his production since being traded to Kelowna. Now 10 points in 7 games. 6’4 right handed center could be of interest for us as a project with our collection of 2nds and 3rds (if we keep them) should he continue producing.
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2025 ranks rn:
Centres:
1. James Hagens
2. Michael Misa
3. Anton Frondell
4. Caleb Desnoyers
5. Roger McQueen
6. Carter Bear
7. Jake O'Brien
Left wing:
1. Victor Eklund
2. Malcolm Spence
3. Lynden Lakovic
4. Cullen Potter
5. Bill Zonnon
Right wing:
1. Porter Martone
2. Cameron Schmidt
3. Justin Carbonneau
4. Benjamin Kindel
5. Shane Vansaghi
Defensemen:
1. Matthew Schaefer
2. Jackson Smith
3. Radim Mrtka
4. Logan Hensler
5. Cameron Reid
6. Kashawn Aitcheson
7. Blake Fiddler
8. Charlie Trethewey
9. Henry Brzutewicz
10. Sascha Boumedienne
Goalies:
1. Joshua Ravensbergen
2. Jack Ivankovic
3. Alexei Medvedev
Centres:
1. James Hagens
2. Michael Misa
3. Anton Frondell
4. Caleb Desnoyers
5. Roger McQueen
6. Carter Bear
7. Jake O'Brien
Left wing:
1. Victor Eklund
2. Malcolm Spence
3. Lynden Lakovic
4. Cullen Potter
5. Bill Zonnon
Right wing:
1. Porter Martone
2. Cameron Schmidt
3. Justin Carbonneau
4. Benjamin Kindel
5. Shane Vansaghi
Defensemen:
1. Matthew Schaefer
2. Jackson Smith
3. Radim Mrtka
4. Logan Hensler
5. Cameron Reid
6. Kashawn Aitcheson
7. Blake Fiddler
8. Charlie Trethewey
9. Henry Brzutewicz
10. Sascha Boumedienne
Goalies:
1. Joshua Ravensbergen
2. Jack Ivankovic
3. Alexei Medvedev
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Yeah the Big 4 has become the big 3. I see Martone in every draft list around 4-5. Frondell and Desnoyers could challenge him for the fourth place.
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Jackson Smith shooting up the rankings. Big right shot D could be interesting to Montreal
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If Misa was drafted out of the CHL, his draft rights would be 2 years as usual.
But if he went on to the NCAA after another year in the OHL, his rights would be extended for an additional 4 years, meaning that Michael Misa's rights in that scenario could theoretically be held for 5 years by the team that signs him.
At least that's my understanding of it.
And the reason behind such a rationale is that this hypothetical Misa situation would basically be the exact same scenario as a guy from the USHL getting drafted, spending another year in the USHL for some reason, and then getting into the NCAA or 4 years.
But it's basically never gonna happen in Misa's case. He'll sign an ELC quickly, probably go back to the OHL for one year, and then basically be done with Major-Junior.
Except that Jackson Smith is a left-handed shooter and should be drafted in the top-10, ergo the Canadiens likely won't have the opportunity to draft him.
The way the draft is shaping-up, the top-2 defensemen for 2025 are LHDs (Schaefer, Smith), but we need not even concern ourselves with those guys; there's no way we get a shot at drafting them with the way our season has gone.
Aitcheson could be available when we pick as the current #3 best defenseman of this year's draft in my opinion, except that as another LHD he wouldn't fit a need for us at all.
The good thing though is that Radim Mrtka has been playing a lot better of late for Seattle (he's surpassed Hensler for me now), and has elevated his game in such a way recently that I actually think he'd be a very good option for us in the top 10-18.
The Thunderbirds are still a pretty bad team in the WHL so when you watch them play they tend to get hemmed-in quite a bit, but even under those circumstances Mrtka has exhibited much better all-around play of late and actually helps tilt the ice for Seattle now.
Mrtka shows faster/more efficient decision-making with the puck on his stick (I'd say that he deserves his statline now, instead of benefiting from circumstances offensively against weak teams before), defends more effectively, and just manages the puck a LOT better.
I really can't emphasize that last improvement enough.
Mrtka's recent change in approach, where he's become more patient and poised on the ice, has led to less turnovers/losses of possesion for his team (also more low-event shifts for him, but that's a good thing for a defenseman as you can't/shouldn't always force a play).
Again, I think this is a gigantic development for Mrtka and was one of the main gripes I had before in projecting him as a future top-4 defenseman in the NHL (turnovers/game management made me doubt his hockey sense a bit though I liked how he defended most of the time).
In fact, it wouldn't surprise me at all if Mrtka ends up being a possible top-10 pick (still like Smith and Aitcheson more though personally) if he continues the way he has the last three weeks or so.
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