2025 NHL Draft: Lose a ton for Porter Martone

[Bizz]

This makes me wonder:

Who is the most random, inconspicuous, insignificant Shark you can think of that left a significant negative impression on you. Not the obvious ultra-train-wreck guys. The ones where it's not immediately at the forefront of your mind that they were actually on the team, but once the memory clicks into place it just opens up the floodgates of bad vibes.

I'd say Adam Burish, but he fits the "train wreck" description.

 

[boredatwork]

I'd say Adam Burish, but he fits the "train wreck" description.

I’ll add Ben Eager to underrated train wreck.

Perhaps a less popular one:

Niemi-Game 4 conference finals against the Canucks. Sharks outplaying the Canucks except for two 5 on 3s giving the Canucks life. A Sedin pass goes 5 hole in the back of the net. The team crumbles.

One of the LA series, he gives up a juicy rebound to Dustin Freakin’ Penner who puts it right back in the net. I think the Sharks won in OT, but I still remember this to this day.

He was great in game 3 of the reverse sweep year. Couldn’t he have stepped up to win one more game!!!

He could only step up against the Sharks.

 

[Star Platinum]

Not that he's really on our radar, but Roger McQueen is nearing a return

McQueen nears return from back injury

During a season in which so much has gone wrong on the injury front for the Brandon Wheat Kings, their fortune may soon be turning with lucky No. 13. Roger McQueen, 18, was back at practice in a norma...

www.brandonsun.com

 

[TheBeard]

This makes me wonder:

Who is the most random, inconspicuous, insignificant Shark you can think of that left a significant negative impression on you. Not the obvious ultra-train-wreck guys. The ones where it's not immediately at the forefront of your mind that they were actually on the team, but once the memory clicks into place it just opens up the floodgates of bad vibes.

Craig River for some reason.

 

[The Nemesis]

Not that he's really on our radar, but Roger McQueen is nearing a return

McQueen nears return from back injury

During a season in which so much has gone wrong on the injury front for the Brandon Wheat Kings, their fortune may soon be turning with lucky No. 13. Roger McQueen, 18, was back at practice in a norma...

www.brandonsun.com

I'm pissed I didn't get to see him when Brandon played the Giants.

Craig River for some reason.

I thought Rivet wasn't that bad?

 

[TheBeard]

I'm pissed I didn't get to see him when Brandon played the Giants.



I thought Rivet wasn't that bad?

He wasn’t. I just hated how much we gave up for him.

 

[one2gamble]

Mark Bell

 

[Barrie22]

Mark Bell

Thats the only answer, a player that was supposed to be a superstar with thornton and barely even plays a season with us.

 

[The Nemesis]

Briefly pulling this thread back on topic:

Please, Sharks scout people, use a late round pick on Vancouver Giants goalie Burke Hood. He's like the 20th rated NA goalie or something, so probably an undrafted FA candidate, but he's really made significant improvements in the last half of this season since he was given the keys to be the full-time starter and he now routinely steals games or keeps the Giants in contests they have no business being in.

He's not worth a 3rd or 4th probably, but a 6th or 7th would be fine.

 

[karltonian]

Thats the only answer, a player that was supposed to be a superstar with thornton and barely even plays a season with us.

That DUI really messed up his career

 

[coooldude]

This makes me wonder:

Who is the most random, inconspicuous, insignificant Shark you can think of that left a significant negative impression on you. Not the obvious ultra-train-wreck guys. The ones where it's not immediately at the forefront of your mind that they were actually on the team, but once the memory clicks into place it just opens up the floodgates of bad vibes.

Ville Nieminen. Was supposed to be our Claude Lemieux, barely made the lineup.

For that matter, Claude Lemieux.

Back when DW was on his "we're one sandpapery bottom 6 pest away from the cup" which culminated in the tragedy of Raffi Torres.

Edit on topic: please God not McQueen.

 

[Roasted Nuts]

If the Blackhawks trade away Seth Jones at the deadline that could make them a worse team than the sharks. So the sharks should trade a player of similar caliper to keep up in the tank race. ’Maybe Walman?

 

[tiburon12]

This makes me wonder:

Who is the most random, inconspicuous, insignificant Shark you can think of that left a significant negative impression on you. Not the obvious ultra-train-wreck guys. The ones where it's not immediately at the forefront of your mind that they were actually on the team, but once the memory clicks into place it just opens up the floodgates of bad vibes.

Not bad vibes, but Tomas Plihal has to be the most "nothing" shark I remember too well

 

[Star Platinum]

If the Blackhawks trade away Seth Jones at the deadline that could make them a worse team than the sharks. So the sharks should trade a player of similar caliper to keep up in the tank race. ’Maybe Walman?

Way things have been going lately, Walman might be a great co-tank commander with Georgiev

 

[DG93]

This makes me wonder:

Who is the most random, inconspicuous, insignificant Shark you can think of that left a significant negative impression on you. Not the obvious ultra-train-wreck guys. The ones where it's not immediately at the forefront of your mind that they were actually on the team, but once the memory clicks into place it just opens up the floodgates of bad vibes.

As a bit of an odd answer, I nominate TJ Galiardi and Daniel Winnik as a pair...was supposed to be a pair of wingers that added much needed depth to our top-9, and they just kinda both stunk it up (+ Winnik seemed checked out) on the way to a super embarrassing loss to the Blues in round 1.

 

[CanadienShark]

It's really not that deep man. I get you like Marleau hence your profile but he never won a single thing and that's all the discussion is. No human should ever strive to be a guy that shows up the most and has absolutely nothing to show for it in the end. Hopefully Smith is much more successful.

Huh?

 

[Patty Ice]

Kent Huskins

 

[fasterthanlight]

This makes me wonder:

Who is the most random, inconspicuous, insignificant Shark you can think of that left a significant negative impression on you. Not the obvious ultra-train-wreck guys. The ones where it's not immediately at the forefront of your mind that they were actually on the team, but once the memory clicks into place it just opens up the floodgates of bad vibes.

Ben Eager

 

[Pinkfloyd]

and every time I do for whatever reason, usually multiple people come to defend. Like WHAT'S THERE TO DEFEND??? HE NEVER WON ANYTHING TO DEFEND???

All jokes aside, people need to realize not everyone will like your favorite *soft* player. But I better not see any Pavelski slander here. More Pavelski less Marleau please William

This isn't about not liking a player. Saying Marleau didn't win anything is objectively incorrect and you choosing to make it about everyone else is you being irrational and emotional. You simply are being ignorant and digging in on it. And you just expect people to let you get away with it why? That's just stupid troll behavior. Grow up.

 

[Juxtaposer]

As a bit of an odd answer, I nominate TJ Galiardi and Daniel Winnik as a pair...was supposed to be a pair of wingers that added much needed depth to our top-9, and they just kinda both stunk it up (+ Winnik seemed checked out) on the way to a super embarrassing loss to the Blues in round 1.

Dan Winnik is a good one. He was a fancy stats darling at the time and was supposed to be a useful bottom-6 player and he did absolutely nothing.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Anyways, to get this thread back on topic: I'm starting to low-key move Martone in front of Hagens. Martone is starting to get back on track, and while he's an October birthday he is out-scoring fellow 2006 Beckett Sennecke by a significant margin (89 to 81 points in one less game). He's looked good lately. Hagens continues to do more of the same--he's a very good player, but I'm worried "very good" is all he'll ever be. If we drop to #3, I'll simply trust in whomever Grier takes. Unless it's Frondell. Or McQueen. Basically, it better be Martone or Hagens. But otherwise, Trust.

When it comes to Hagens vs. Smith, I think the differentiating factor is that Hagens is more efficient with the puck and has less giveaways on home-run pass attempts, but also connects on fewer high-skill plays. He's a good skater, but no better than Celebrini and I think elite skating was something I expected Hagens to have in his game and might be at the core of my disappointment with him. Still gonna be a great 2C, I just don't think that's what we need.

Thinking about the Dallas pick, I am starting to wonder if Malcolm Spence won't fall to it. He's barely at a point per game as a guy who has been 18 all season. I still really like him, but I wonder if teams won't take flyers on guys with higher upside. Kashawn Aitcheson is also interesting in that area. Not huge upside but he's a delightful player, a real throwback defenseman who throws hard hits and then beats down the guys who try to fight him after. Nasty customer, he'll be a fan favorite wherever he goes. If only he was a righty, he might go top-15.

Depending on how round 1 shakes out, I don't hate the idea of trading down from 33 and getting multiple mid-2nd rounders to start taking flyers on RHD like Brzustewicz, Amico, and Tretheway, who seem a little too early for 33. But it may be that we need to take one of them at 33 simply because of the poor depth of this class and the premium on RHD with decent size.

Lastly, an OA I think would be an interesting selection in the late rounds is Anthony Cristoforo. 6'0" RHD leading the OHL in +/- on the Spitfires, he stands out to me whenever I catch a Windsor game.

 

[bullslugg]

thanks for all the work you do. If only I had time

 

[cheechoo]

Spoiler

Anyways, to get this thread back on topic: I'm starting to low-key move Martone in front of Hagens. Martone is starting to get back on track, and while he's an October birthday he is out-scoring fellow 2006 Beckett Sennecke by a significant margin (89 to 81 points in one less game). He's looked good lately. Hagens continues to do more of the same--he's a very good player, but I'm worried "very good" is all he'll ever be. If we drop to #3, I'll simply trust in whomever Grier takes. Unless it's Frondell. Or McQueen. Basically, it better be Martone or Hagens. But otherwise, Trust.

When it comes to Hagens vs. Smith, I think the differentiating factor is that Hagens is more efficient with the puck and has less giveaways on home-run pass attempts, but also connects on fewer high-skill plays. He's a good skater, but no better than Celebrini and I think elite skating was something I expected Hagens to have in his game and might be at the core of my disappointment with him. Still gonna be a great 2C, I just don't think that's what we need.

Thinking about the Dallas pick, I am starting to wonder if Malcolm Spence won't fall to it. He's barely at a point per game as a guy who has been 18 all season. I still really like him, but I wonder if teams won't take flyers on guys with higher upside. Kashawn Aitcheson is also interesting in that area. Not huge upside but he's a delightful player, a real throwback defenseman who throws hard hits and then beats down the guys who try to fight him after. Nasty customer, he'll be a fan favorite wherever he goes. If only he was a righty, he might go top-15.

Depending on how round 1 shakes out, I don't hate the idea of trading down from 33 and getting multiple mid-2nd rounders to start taking flyers on RHD like Brzustewicz, Amico, and Tretheway, who seem a little too early for 33. But it may be that we need to take one of them at 33 simply because of the poor depth of this class and the premium on RHD with decent size.

Lastly, an OA I think would be an interesting selection in the late rounds is Anthony Cristoforo. 6'0" RHD leading the OHL in +/- on the Spitfires, he stands out to me whenever I catch a Windsor game.

Any thoughts on Epperson? Legit prospect or the Dvorak to Marner/Tkachuk.

Anyways I think I'm still a Schaefer at #1 person.

His tape just blew me away. One of the most fun prospects I've had scouting in some time, and I don't understand the undermining of his ability due to the fact that his point totals weren't outrageously eye popping.

He definitely has #1D upside. He's a phenomenal skater, both powerful and nimble. Effortlessly covers the entire sheet ice. Extremely quick and agile going both forwards and backwards - and he's quite rangy as well at 6'2.

Extremely soft hands, has a knack for jumping up in the play and creating odd man rushes. Schaefer has fantastic vision and uses fakes and delays to split seams. Seems like a player that will have dominant zone entry stats at the next level. His breakout pass is fantastic. He's not afraid to take the body or the use his frame to separate man from puck. First up in all situations-- PP/PK/ES.

I love Misa as well, so a top two pick would have me over the moon but I can't lie and say I wouldn't be a little bit disappointed if we weren't able to select Matthew Schaefer this year.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Any thoughts on Epperson? Legit prospect or the Dvorak to Marner/Tkachuk.

I really like Epperson at the OHL level. I'm just having trouble seeing what he could be at the NHL level, given his size and lack of high-end attributes. He's a great but not excellent skater with great but not excellent offensive tools and a great but not excellent motor. I think if he had a career like Dvorak, that would be a huge win for him. Probably would take him in the mid-late 2nd given how weak this draft is. Legit prospect, but more of a long-shot and probably not an impact player.

Anyways I think I'm still a Schaefer at #1 person.

His tape just blew me away. One of the most fun prospects I've had scouting in some time, and I don't understand the undermining of his ability due to the fact that his point totals weren't outrageously eye popping.

He definitely has #1D upside. He's a phenomenal skater, both powerful and nimble. Effortlessly covers the entire sheet ice. Extremely quick and agile going both forwards and backwards - and he's quite rangy as well at 6'2.

Extremely soft hands, has a knack for jumping up in the play and creating odd man rushes. Schaefer has fantastic vision and uses fakes and delays to split seams. Seems like a player that will have dominant zone entry stats at the next level. His breakout pass is fantastic. He's not afraid to take the body or the use his frame to separate man from puck. First up in all situations-- PP/PK/ES.

I love Misa as well, so a top two pick would have me over the moon but I can't lie and say I wouldn't be a little bit disappointed if we weren't able to select Matthew Schaefer this year.

I'm with you on Schaefer. IMO there's just nothing he doesn't do at an excellent level at least other than clearing the crease, which as I've said before is not something any 17 year old defenseman is good at and I expect to improve as he matures. He's not afraid to mix it up physically even though he's pretty slight at the moment. The skating, puck-handling, and especially hockey IQ are simply elite, and his size is comfortably NHL average. I just don't see any way this guy isn't a top pairing defenseman at worst, and I think he'll contend for Norris trophies in his prime. I do love Misa a lot, but Schaefer is the player we absolutely need.