2025 NHL Draft: Lose a ton for Porter Martone

[Pinkfloyd]

Who else do we have? Halttunen and Lund are extremely unlikely to make the NHL and not even remotely on the same level as Martone.

Chernyshov, Svoboda, and Wetsch on top of those guys are all in the system. Yeah, they have varying degrees of odds to make it but Martone's impact on the wing isn't going to be as good as the impact you'd get if Hagens or Misa hit.

 

[Hodge]

Chernyshov, Svoboda, and Wetsch on top of those guys are all in the system. Yeah, they have varying degrees of odds to make it but Martone's impact on the wing isn't going to be as good as the impact you'd get if Hagens or Misa hit.

If Martone hits you get a Matthew Tkachuk/Corey Perry type power forward with soft hands and elite offensive skill. That's way more valuable than Hagens developing into Cooley 2.0 or Misa becoming a slightly better Couture.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

If Martone hits you get a Matthew Tkachuk/Corey Perry type power forward with soft hands and elite offensive skill. That's way more valuable than Hagens developing into Cooley 2.0 or Misa becoming a slightly better Couture.

There's no way Martone gets to that level, I'm sorry.

 

[Hodge]

There's no way Martone gets to that level, I'm sorry.

It's just as likely as Hagens ever becoming more than a soft one dimensional 2nd line wing.

 

[TheBeard]

No way. Martone should be our 2nd choice after Schaefer. His production is on par with Misa and his size and RH shot are sorely lacking in our prospect pool.

I don't really care how engaged he looks in the OHL. He's probably bored playing in a league he's too good for.

Then he must have been bored at the WJC as well.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

It's just as likely as Hagens ever becoming more than a soft one dimensional 2nd line wing.

I think Hagens and Misa's odds of being a top six forward are still much greater than Martone's. However, even if Martone's is better, being a top six winger is not all that valuable nor needed unless they are actually elite. Wingers are readily available at multiple levels including the draft to fill lineup spots. Martone should be a choice made by the team if they have no other options. At 3, any of the other three is a better pick for the team than Martone.

 

[Gecklund]

If Martone hits you get a Matthew Tkachuk/Corey Perry type power forward with soft hands and elite offensive skill. That's way more valuable than Hagens developing into Cooley 2.0 or Misa becoming a slightly better Couture.

What a disingenuous post just choose the absolute ceiling for Martone and a pretty low floor for Hagens and Misa.

For reference this is equivalent of me saying Misa could be Crosby and that’s more valuable than Martone being Chris Kunitz or Matthew Schaefer being Brady Skjei.

 

[Hodge]

What a disingenuous post just choose the absolute ceiling for Martone and a pretty low floor for Hagens and Misa.

You really think Hagens and Misa’s ceilings are higher than Cooley and Couture respectively? Those are damn good outcomes for 2nd-4th overall picks. Tkachuk is just significantly more valuable.

 

[Gecklund]

You really think Hagens and Misa’s ceilings are higher than Cooley and Couture respectively? Those are damn good outcomes for 2nd-4th overall picks. Tkachuk is just significantly more valuable.

yes they absolutely are higher. Misa has the intelligence to be a 1C. Dude is consistently the smartest player on the ice and has the talent and work ethic to end up as a top line player. Very easily. Hagens on the other hand has some of the best offensive talent in the draft. Also is very smart. He’s got a Jack Hughes type ceiling. But no you just pick some absolute asinine comparison to fit your argument that easily boils down to “size=skill” and it’s one of the most disingenuous posts I’ve seen on this site. Just absolutely hilarious.

 

[Hodge]

yes they absolutely are higher. Misa has the intelligence to be a 1C. Dude is consistently the smartest player on the ice and has the talent and work ethic to end up as a top line player. Very easily. Hagens on the other hand has some of the best offensive talent in the draft. Also is very smart. He’s got a Jack Hughes type ceiling. But no you just pick some absolute asinine comparison to fit your argument that easily boils down to “size=skill” and it’s one of the most disingenuous posts I’ve seen on this site. Just absolutely hilarious.

Was Couture not a 1C? Also I even said a slightly better version of Couture. What's Misa's ceiling then? Sasha Barkov?

Hagens does not have a Jack Hughes type ceiling lmao. He would be the consensus #1 if anyone believed that. Talk about disingenuous.

If either of these guys actually had the ceiling you're implying, Schaefer would not have been the unanimous top ranked prospect in McKenzie's rankings.

 

[Celly4Celebrini]

No way. Martone should be our 2nd choice after Schaefer. His production is on par with Misa and his size and RH shot are sorely lacking in our prospect pool.

I don't really care how engaged he looks in the OHL. He's probably bored playing in a league he's too good for.

his productions on par with Misa, but is entire year ahead in playing years. That alone should scream Misa over martone.

I do think Misa has Marleau like potential. Elite complimentary piece

 

[Hodge]

his productions on par with Misa, but is entire year ahead in playing years. That alone should scream Misa over martone.

I do think Misa has Marleau like potential. Elite complimentary piece

He's like 4 months older than Misa. Not even.

 

[Gecklund]

Was Couture not a 1C? Also I even said a slightly better version of Couture. What's Misa's ceiling then? Sasha Barkov?

Hagens does not have a Jack Hughes type ceiling lmao. He would be the consensus #1 if anyone believed that. Talk about disingenuous.

If either of these guys actually had the ceiling you're implying, Schaefer would not have been the unanimous top ranked prospect in McKenzie's rankings.

So Scott Wheeler (great prospect scout and writer cause I’m sure you have no idea who he is based on your opinions) has Hagens on the same tier as Macklin coming into this season. Essentially Macklin better two way with Hagens better offensively.

Steven Ellis (another great prospect writer) compared Hagens to Hughes.

Also if you’re going to use Bob McKenzie’s rankings LETS TALK ABOUT IT! Both Misa and Hagens are above Martone based on scout’s opinions. But you fail to mention that. Why would they have these low ceiling players there above basically Tkachuk? Seems weird. 7/10 scouts had Hagens at 2 btw. Misa 1 had him 2nd, 5 had him 3rd. Martone had 5 fourth place votes. But no these scouts know nothing compared to the allmighty HODGE!

 

[hohosaregood]

Martone's just seems like a right handed Musty at this point

 

[Gecklund]

Martone's just seems like a right handed Musty at this point

I probably wouldn’t say that as I think Musty has never really fully shown engagement away from the puck whereas Martone has. Martone is a power forward type that yes can be like that Tkachuk type (although I don’t really agree with that comparison and it’s lazy as shit). I think Martone is more like Kempe than Tkachuk. I just don’t think he has that sort of mean streak reputation Tkachuk has.

 

[Hodge]

So Scott Wheeler (great prospect scout and writer cause I’m sure you have no idea who he is based on your opinions) has Hagens on the same tier as Macklin coming into this season. Essentially Macklin better two way with Hagens better offensively.

Steven Ellis (another great prospect writer) compared Hagens to Hughes.

Also if you’re going to use Bob McKenzie’s rankings LETS TALK ABOUT IT! Both Misa and Hagens are above Martone based on scout’s opinions. But you fail to mention that. Why would they have these low ceiling players there above basically Tkachuk? Seems weird. 7/10 scouts had Hagens at 2 btw. Misa 1 had him 2nd, 5 had him 3rd. Martone had 5 fourth place votes. But no these scouts know nothing compared to the allmighty HODGE!

Scott Wheeler is a moron who's wrong about everything. Case in point, believing Hagens was on the same tier as Macklin. How can you possibly justify that statement at this point? Hagens draft year production is 40% lower than Celebrini despite being 7+ months older, smaller and worse defensively.

According to McKenzie, scouts have Hagens and Misa ranked ahead of Martone because they see them as centers. I doubt 5'10 Hagens is going to be a center in the NHL but if he is that's an understandable reason to prefer him and Misa to a surefire wing like Martone...unless you're the Sharks who already have their 1st and 2nd line centers of the future accounted for.

Hockey is still a physical contact sport. Size will always matter. We don't have enough of it, period.

 

[Star Platinum]

Hockey is still a physical contact sport. Size will always matter. We don't have enough of it, period.

I agree with this, which is why I lean Misa over Hagens.

The appeal of Martone to me is that he does do the one thing that nobody on our team or in our prospect pool does at a high level and that's get the dirty work goals around the net. But if we're throwing Tkachuk comparisons around, I'd say he's more Brady than Matthew at this point.

 

[Gecklund]

Scott Wheeler is a moron who's wrong about everything. Case in point, believing Hagens was on the same tier as Macklin. How can you possibly justify that statement at this point? Hagens draft year production is 40% lower than Celebrini despite being 7+ months older, smaller and worse defensively.

According to McKenzie, scouts have Hagens and Misa ranked ahead of Martone because they see them as centers. I doubt 5'10 Hagens is going to be a center in the NHL but if he is that's an understandable reason to prefer him and Misa to a surefire wing like Martone...unless you're the Sharks who already have their 1st and 2nd line centers of the future accounted for.

Hockey is still a physical contact sport. Size will always matter. We don't have enough of it, period.

Okay so you do think you’re smarter than NHL scouts. That’s all I need to know.

 

[Bizz]

I always thought Martone was more of a Meier than anyone else. Not really someone you want to be using a top 3 pick on despite him fitting one of the Sharks' needs.

 

[Juxtaposer]

He's still scoring 2 points per game which is elite draft year production in the OHL.

The "Martone is basically Musty" people are out to lunch too but this defense of Martone when you are Musty hater #1 is hilarious. Musty was a July birthday and Martone is an October birthday. Martone's season this year he's the same age as Musty was last year, when he put up 2+ PPG in the OHL. They're the same size, have the same skating concerns and pace issues, and have an equal commitment in the defensive zone. Both have gotten the "bored with the OHL" defense. Both can be nasty customers.

So what separates Martone, whom you are vigorously defending, from Musty, whom you deplore? I'm dying to know.

 

[Jargon]

I like that Misa seems to have a fairly high floor. Smith is our sort of riskier, boom/bust, high-ceiling-if-everything-goes-right guy. I don't know if I want two of those. If Misa can be a really steady, super fast, Celebrini-lite 2nd line center for us, that would be a huge win.

If not Schaefer, having Misa, Celebrini, Smith and Eklund in our Top 6 is great. Hopefully guys like Musty, Chernyshov, etc. can fill out the other two slots (or other guys we pick-up).

 

[Juxtaposer]

Speaking of Misa, looks like Saginaw's game against Kingston starting in a few minutes is being streamed free on YouTube. Great opportunity to see him play against a very solid team.

 

[Star Platinum]

Speaking of Misa, looks like Saginaw's game against Kingston starting in a few minutes is being streamed free on YouTube. Great opportunity to see him play against a very solid team.

Keep waiting for news on when Chernyshov is going to play

 

[Hodge]

The "Martone is basically Musty" people are out to lunch too but this defense of Martone when you are Musty hater #1 is hilarious. Musty was a July birthday and Martone is an October birthday. Martone's season this year he's the same age as Musty was last year, when he put up 2+ PPG in the OHL. They're the same size, have the same skating concerns and pace issues, and have an equal commitment in the defensive zone. Both have gotten the "bored with the OHL" defense. Both can be nasty customers.

So what separates Martone, whom you are vigorously defending, from Musty, whom you deplore? I'm dying to know.

You answered your own question. Martone is outpacing Musty's D+1 season despite being younger and not playing on the goal-padding Sudbury Wolves. He's also bigger and has better hands/deception than Musty at the same age. RH shot is also a huge value add that people are discounting for some reason.

I'm not saying Martone is guaranteed to be the third Tkachuk brother. I'm just saying he's a better fit for the Sharks than Misa or Hagens.

 

[Juxtaposer]

You answered your own question. Martone is outpacing Musty's D+1 season despite being younger and not playing on the goal-padding Sudbury Wolves. He's also bigger and has better hands/deception than Musty at the same age. RH shot is also a huge value add that people are discounting for some reason.

I'm not saying Martone is guaranteed to be the third Tkachuk brother. I'm just saying he's a better fit for the Sharks than Misa or Hagens.

Martone is more than nine months older than Musty was in his draft season. You may not think that matters, but it really does.

Yes, Martone is more skilled and has better hands and is maybe an inch taller than Musty. But that doesn't explain why you think Martone is worthy of a 2nd overall pick and is a great fit for the Sharks while also complete disregarding a very similar player in Musty.