2025 NHL Draft: Lose a ton for Porter Martone

[Bear of Bad News]

I reported the account. It's very sad that it's been allowed to continue, let alone exist in the first place.

If someone had reported it prior to now, it would have been taken care of.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Erie's last regular season game is 3/23, so Schaefer could potentially be done for the year.

Erie is probably a low seed playoff team without him, and could lose in the first round before he's cleared to play.

Hockey Canada usually "graduates" guys from U18 when they've played U20, but maybe they'll make an exception for Schaefer if Erie is out and it's the only chance he has to play hockey between his injury and the draft.

 

[mogambomoroo]

Is there any chance Sharks are interested in drafting Rimpinen at some point at the draft? He is D+1 goalie that is doing pretty good for Finland in U20 and seems to have nice stats in Liiga. I would be interested if he is somehow available at the late picks.

If he continues to play well, I believe some team will pick him up between 2-3 round.

We don't have a big need for a goalie prospect since getting Askarov, but could be interesting pick if there is no one better to draft at the spot.

 

[matt trick]

Is there any chance Sharks are interested in drafting Rimpinen at some point at the draft? He is D+1 goalie that is doing pretty good for Finland in U20 and seems to have nice stats in Liiga. I would be interested if he is somehow available at the late picks.

If he continues to play well, I believe some team will pick him up between 2-3 round.

We don't have a big need for a goalie prospect since getting Askarov, but could be interesting pick if there is no one better to draft at the spot.

He's looked good, but is he really only 6-0? Much like dmen under 5'11, the deck is seriously stacked against goalies 6'0 and under. Right now, it's what Saros and Wolf? I checked, Ned is also 6'0. Shesterkin, Ingram, and Grubbauer are 6'1 (as is Georgiev!).

In one of the prospects podcasts* I listen to it was mentioned that many teams have a 'don't draft below 6'2/6'3 limit)

Ivankovic is also 6'0, Andreyanov is 6'1. This supposed to be a pretty deep goalie draft, so I certainly wouldn't mind the team taking another goalie. Kirsch is 6'3, Korostelyov is 6'2, but Nabby was 6'0, and Speer worked closely with Wolf.

*Can't remember which unless it's Called up or SJHockeyNow they blend.

 

[Star Platinum]

I reported the account. It's very sad that it's been allowed to continue, let alone exist in the first place.

It's all for the best.

If @Hogde had been allowed to infiltrate this world, then @Hodge as you know him ceases to exist! Right now, we have @Hogde, but there is also Independent @Hodge. That's the @Hodge we know, -- Smurf @Hodge, Barclay @Hodge, DW Jr @Hodge, Bawdy @Hodge.

If @Hogde walks through this door, he will kill Independent @Hodge! A @Hodge, divided against itself, can not stand!

 

[hohosaregood]

Is eggdoh still out there somewhere

 

[Zarzh]

Faster, better defensively, marginally better international performance (projects to significantly outperform Smith’s WJC albeit with same line mates and PPQB who are an all a year older). Also, I don’t know this to be true, but BC fans claim their SOS has been really tough so far. Perhaps his collegiate production will pick up in the second half.

At most, he’s an inch shorter and by the combine he could prove to be the same height, though he is a bit lighter (again that may change by the combine).

I would say Hagens has been a bit worse than Smith so far and beating up on Latvia and Germany with a stacked line hasn't done much to alleviate the concerns about him since he had 0 against Finland and Canada. I'd want him to produce in the next two games at the very least.

 

[Shark Finn]

It's all for the best.

If @Hogde had been allowed to infiltrate this world, then @Hodge as you know him ceases to exist! Right now, we have @Hogde, but there is also Independent @Hodge. That's the @Hodge we know, -- Smurf @Hodge, Barclay @Hodge, DW Jr @Hodge, Bawdy @Hodge.

If @Hogde walks through this door, he will kill Independent @Hodge! A @Hodge, divided against itself, can not stand!

Is eggdoh still out there somewhere

Just put them all on ignore, who in their right mind would give someone that much attention.

 

[coooldude]

Washington: Loss
Tampa: Loss
Florida: Loss
Carolina: Loss
St. Louis: Loss?
Utah: Win?
Winnipeg: Loss
Colorado: Loss
Edmonton: Loss
Vancouver: Loss
Vegas: Loss
Calgary: Win
Philadelphia: Win

Looks good to me sign me up for that top 4 pick! Our wins have mostly been versus teams that are not Stanley cup contenders other than New Jersey and that's also a game where we did not deserve to win at all (Blackwood carry). Don't get me wrong the games we have had have been very fun and exciting but I am expecting the team to have a very rough month which is absolutely FINE, 9 out of the 13 games are against true Stanley cup contenders.

In terms of the standings I am quite confident we will be bottom 3, I want bottom 2 though to guarantee a top 4 pick. I am only mainly concerned about Chicago and Montreal being lower than us when all is said and done.

Congrats -- You had us at 3-10, we were 2-10-1. SNOM-Dec (price is right rules don't apply)!

You've got us going 3-10 (0.230) for 6 points. It's dire but possible.

If we hold serve on our points% of 0.426 we should get 11 points on the trip (5-7-1). Beat every non-playoff team (UTA, STL, COL) and steal 2 games out of the remaining 10, gets us to 5. That would be a pretty solid performance.

Our last 13 games, we played 5 playoff teams and went 2-3 (0.400) - MIN, NJD, NYR, DAL, LAK. We got outplayed in all of those games but stole 2. So assuming we keep a similar pace to the last 13, we would project to win 4 of 10 vs. playoff teams and go 3-2-3 pace (0.563) against everyone else in 3 games. Which is... 12-13 points. 6-6-1 or 5-5-3 at best. This would be an incredible performance.

My guess is we find a way to 4 wins and 2 OTL's, or 5 wins. 10 points out of possible 26 = 0.385 and pacing between MTL and CHI's current rate. We'll see.

I was way too optimistic.

 

[vortexy]

Congrats -- You had us at 3-10, we were 2-10-1. SNOM-Dec (price is right rules don't apply)!

I was way too optimistic.

Haha yeah definitely a rough month but losing Blackwood+Georgiev starting many of the games definitely helped out my prediction.

No way I would have predicted our start in January so far, Askarov is a game changer and gives the team confidence to play hard in front of him.

 

[Zarzh]

I think Schaefer is the best prospect for the Sharks but if he's not available to us and one of Hagens or Misa is, you have to take them even if it makes Smith somewhat redundant. I don't think Schaefer's injury will change that math any. I think it only makes it slightly more possible that a team like Chicago or Nashville thinks one of the forwards is more of a sure thing than Schaefer. I think at this point, the ideal scenario is to out-tank Chicago, hope Chicago wins the lottery, and wherever they end up picking, pick Schaefer if he's there and one of Hagens or Misa if he isn't. They likely are still bad enough next year to lose their way into the #1 pick anyway like we were last year but at least they can't luck themselves into a better prospect than they deserve later on.

Misa doesn't make Smith redundant because the young forwards are pretty pass heavy.

Picking Lekkerimaki in 2022 would have solved a lot of current issues, granted you could say that about quite a few of the players passed over.

 

[Patty Ice]

Can we change the thread to read "Waver for Schaefer"

 

[STL Shark]

What makes Hagens better than Smith? He's smaller and on pace for a less productive freshman season.

Equally or more importantly is look at how down Perreault/Leonard point totals are with Hagens centering them as opposed to Smith. A full year older and on pace for drastically worse scoring outputs as sophomores compared to their freshman seasons.

Hagens is starting to feel Shane Wright-esque where the multi year hype leading into his draft year sort of dies as we see others around him rise above in draft year.

 

[Hodge]

Equally or more importantly is look at how down Perreault/Leonard point totals are with Hagens centering them as opposed to Smith. A full year older and on pace for drastically worse scoring outputs as sophomores compared to their freshman seasons.

Hagens is starting to feel Shane Wright-esque where the multi year hype leading into his draft year sort of dies as we see others around him rise above in draft year.

Ending up with Hagens feels like it would be the worst-case scenario for us. Even J. Smith, Frondell and Desnoyers fill much bigger needs.

 

[coooldude]

Equally or more importantly is look at how down Perreault/Leonard point totals are with Hagens centering them as opposed to Smith. A full year older and on pace for drastically worse scoring outputs as sophomores compared to their freshman seasons.

Hagens is starting to feel Shane Wright-esque where the multi year hype leading into his draft year sort of dies as we see others around him rise above in draft year.

This is one justifiable read, however another is that they are the clear first line now with no shelter from Gauthier's line, the schedule has been harder, and Smith was a D+1 while Hagens is a D+0. I am not a big fan of Hagens but I'm also not sure he's a bust. Maybe a better Catton.

Ending up with Hagens feels like it would be the worst-case scenario for us. Even J. Smith, Frondell and Desnoyers fill much bigger needs.

If that's the case, and we're at 4, we should try to trade down to 5-7. I'm not sold that Hagens is that bad, even though I'm also not super stoked on him in teal as our next big piece, just like I felt about Catton (great player hopefully for someone else).

I'm not sure Frondell will still be in the top 10 chatter at year end. He's also not very big... For me, Smith and Desnoyers are in the next tier for the Sharks after the top 4 still. But if Martone keeps sliding because of inconsistency and pace, maybe he joins that tier, alongside Eklund Jr.

 

[Celly4Celebrini]

This is one justifiable read, however another is that they are the clear first line now with no shelter from Gauthier's line, the schedule has been harder, and Smith was a D+1 while Hagens is a D+0. I am not a big fan of Hagens but I'm also not sure he's a bust. Maybe a better Catton.

for the love of god, lets stop using D+1 and D+0 instead of age when comparing late birthdays vs early birthdays. They were both playing their 18 year old seasons and presumably have the same amount of hockey experience up to this point. Its not like comparing Celebrini vs Smith where being a D+0 actually meant that he was younger.

 

[coooldude]

for the love of god, lets stop using D+1 and D+0 instead of age when comparing late birthdays vs early birthdays. They were both playing their 18 year old seasons and presumably have the same amount of hockey experience up to this point. Its not like comparing Celebrini vs Smith where being a D+0 actually meant that he was younger.

This debate has been had endless times across endless prospect threads and it usually ends up that D+0 and D+1 is just easier to baseline off of. It's not that important that you should get this mad about it...

 

[Hodge]

This is one justifiable read, however another is that they are the clear first line now with no shelter from Gauthier's line, the schedule has been harder, and Smith was a D+1 while Hagens is a D+0. I am not a big fan of Hagens but I'm also not sure he's a bust. Maybe a better Catton.

If that's the case, and we're at 4, we should try to trade down to 5-7. I'm not sold that Hagens is that bad, even though I'm also not super stoked on him in teal as our next big piece, just like I felt about Catton (great player hopefully for someone else).

I'm not sure Frondell will still be in the top 10 chatter at year end. He's also not very big... For me, Smith and Desnoyers are in the next tier for the Sharks after the top 4 still. But if Martone keeps sliding because of inconsistency and pace, maybe he joins that tier, alongside Eklund Jr.

Has Frondell been injured? If he does fall out of the top 10 I think that could be a major steal and hope we're able to trade up for him. I know he's not huge but half a point per game in Allsvenskan as a 17 year old likely getting 4th line minutes combined with his insane J20 production last year and reputation as a quality defensive center intrigues me.

 

[Shark Finn]

This debate has been had endless times across endless prospect threads and it usually ends up that D+0 and D+1 is just easier to baseline off of. It's not that important that you should get this mad about it...

Agreed. "He played his second season as a 18-year old born in December, while.." I can't even write more. Yuck.

 

[Zarzh]

Equally or more importantly is look at how down Perreault/Leonard point totals are with Hagens centering them as opposed to Smith. A full year older and on pace for drastically worse scoring outputs as sophomores compared to their freshman seasons.

Hagens is starting to feel Shane Wright-esque where the multi year hype leading into his draft year sort of dies as we see others around him rise above in draft year.

The main thing with Hagens is we were told for years he would be a great defensive center despite his size but he's shown little ability in defending players better than him.

 

[STL Shark]

This is one justifiable read, however another is that they are the clear first line now with no shelter from Gauthier's line, the schedule has been harder, and Smith was a D+1 while Hagens is a D+0. I am not a big fan of Hagens but I'm also not sure he's a bust. Maybe a better Catton.

If that's the case, and we're at 4, we should try to trade down to 5-7. I'm not sold that Hagens is that bad, even though I'm also not super stoked on him in teal as our next big piece, just like I felt about Catton (great player hopefully for someone else).

I'm not sure Frondell will still be in the top 10 chatter at year end. He's also not very big... For me, Smith and Desnoyers are in the next tier for the Sharks after the top 4 still. But if Martone keeps sliding because of inconsistency and pace, maybe he joins that tier, alongside Eklund Jr.

I mean they're playing their NCAA Freshman seasons with 7ish months difference in age. Not exactly vastly different with D+0 vs D+1 with that gap. And even then, Perreault and Leonard are now D+2 guys that are 1st rounders themselves and producing markedly worse with a supposed 1st overall pick as their center.

That said, Hagens is probably still better than Smith, but it just speaks more to the fact that we're comparing him to the 4th overall pick as opposed to other 1st overall picks. Will depend on team need I think, but think he might be closer to 3rd overall than 1st overall at this point.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

for the love of god, lets stop using D+1 and D+0 instead of age when comparing late birthdays vs early birthdays. They were both playing their 18 year old seasons and presumably have the same amount of hockey experience up to this point. Its not like comparing Celebrini vs Smith where being a D+0 actually meant that he was younger.

Based on how condescending you're being here (and how condescending you were when you raised this point before), I was surprised to look at their actual birthdays and see that you're mostly wrong about it as well.

Smith was born 03/17/05. Hagens was born 11/03/06. Smith was 226 days older than Hagens on the date of their first games with Boston College. That's closer to 1 year than it is to 0.

If Smith were like 26 days older than Hagens on the first game of their season, you'd be on the mark here and the condescension may be at least somewhat justified. But in the real world, where Smith was 226 days older, it is more accurate to say "Smith was a year older" than it is to say "they were the same age."

It may be most accurate to say "Smith was in his D+1, but was not quite a full year older than Hagens, so the advantage of D+1 Vs. D+0 may be slightly overstated." And I do think this context might be worth considering. But the way you're bringing it up is completely off the mark. The stance that other posters are taking (which, as cooldude mentions, really is just the standard draft year convention) is more correct than yours is in this particular case.

 

[Hodge]

The main thing with Hagens is we were told for years he would be a great defensive center despite his size but he's shown little ability in defending players better than him.

Were people really saying that? The hype always seemed to be Jack Hughes 2.0 but he's clearly nowhere near as good.

 

[coooldude]

I mean they're playing their NCAA Freshman seasons with 7ish months difference in age. Not exactly vastly different with D+0 vs D+1 with that gap. And even then, Perreault and Leonard are now D+2 guys that are 1st rounders themselves and producing markedly worse.

I'm closer to with you than against you, but JTR in the thread above addressed the D+0 and D+1 thing, and as it pertains to Perreault and Leonard, I am mostly a hater so I just think they're regressing to less stratospheric, more expected performance. TBF, Smith's performance might have also been inflated last year.

That said, Hagens is probably still better than Smith, but it just speaks more to the fact that we're comparing him to the 4th overall pick as opposed to other 1st overall picks. Will depend on team need I think, but think he might be closer to 3rd overall than 1st overall at this point.

Yep, I agree with this, although I think Hagens is defensively far more sound than Smith was despite a smaller frame. And I do think he's the closest to 1OA after Schaefer from what I've read from scouts and execs e.g. in the EP article... so, to me, it's "consensus" Top Tier = Schaefer then Hagens, Tier 2 = Misa then Martone, although for Sharks I'd swap Misa and Hagens personally.

Has Frondell been injured? If he does fall out of the top 10 I think that could be a major steal and hope we're able to trade up for him. I know he's not huge but half a point per game in Allsvenskan as a 17 year old likely getting 4th line minutes combined with his insane J20 production last year and reputation as a quality defensive center intrigues me.

Frondell started the season injured and has been, from what I've gathered, steady but not spectacular. Didn't make the WJC, was instead 4pts in 5g in the U18. He's intriguing but not in the top 5 of picks anymore, at least from my amateur read. Could just be overscouting since he started the year with such hype, but if you're considering him, why not Misa or Desnoyers?

 

[sharski]

Do the math you make the way fer Matthew Schaefer