2025 NHL Draft: Lose a ton for Porter Martone

[vortexy]

This will be real interesting to see how long Schaefer is out hopefully it’s not too bad but this definitely could lower his stock a bit. Also Martone was benched for the whole third period in Canada’s game vs Latvia crazy upset there. Really feel Team Canada could have used a Michael Misa who I also feel should be picked above Martone.

I personally see it as a top 3 that could go in any order, I prefer Schaefer for the Sharks but Misa would be my next option then Hagens. Martone is 4th for me

 

[JotAlan]

This will be real interesting to see how long Schaefer is out hopefully it’s not too bad but this definitely could lower his stock a bit. Also Martone was benched for the whole third period in Canada’s game vs Latvia crazy upset there. Really feel Team Canada could have used a Michael Misa who I also feel should be picked above Martone.

I personally see it as a top 3 that could go in any order, I prefer Schaefer for the Sharks but Misa would be my next option then Hagens. Martone is 4th for me

I would choose Hagens and wouldn't look back, he's just as (if not) more complete than Misa, but he's more dynamic and has a freakish hockey IQ. I would go with Hagens, firstly because the forwards will be developed faster and the Sharks could be a faster contender and secondly because if Smith becomes the center we expect, just turn him into an elite 3C and have the best 1-2-3 (Imagine Celebrini-Hagens-Smith, total madness) from the league. If not, put him on Celebrini's wing, put Eklund with Hagens and fill in with beefy wings. And on defense spend everything you have to acquire a superior pair to join Dickson and Mukh

 

[Forlan]

If it hadn't been for Smith, Hagens' choice would have been very attractive. He is more dynamic and better than Smith, it all depends on the place in the lottery.

 

[Celly4Celebrini]

I would choose Hagens and wouldn't look back, he's just as (if not) more complete than Misa, but he's more dynamic and has a freakish hockey IQ. I would go with Hagens, firstly because the forwards will be developed faster and the Sharks could be a faster contender and secondly because if Smith becomes the center we expect, just turn him into an elite 3C and have the best 1-2-3 (Imagine Celebrini-Hagens-Smith, total madness) from the league. If not, put him on Celebrini's wing, put Eklund with Hagens and fill in with beefy wings. And on defense spend everything you have to acquire a superior pair to join Dickson and Mukh

Hes also basically a year older than Misa, so its to be expected. I really hate how the NHL does the draft with the cut off in september. I get why but it sucks when you have these prospect comparisons and you get people posting D-1 stats like they are comparable. Its why i prefer Misa/Schaefer to Hagens/Martone

 

[Juxtaposer]

Horrible news for Schaefer. Broken collarbone probably puts him out for the year.

 

[one2gamble]

Horrible news for Schaefer. Broken collarbone probably puts him out for the year.

Is their season almost over, that's probably 6 weeks depending on the how it snapped. Id rather that than shoulder damage

 

[coooldude]

Is their season almost over, that's probably 6 weeks depending on the how it snapped. Id rather that than shoulder damage

Yeah, having recovered from a broken clavicle and AC joint separation at the same time, and talked to others with the same injury, he'll probably be able to play within 8 weeks but he'll be regaining strength for a year. Not a fun injury but much better than shoulder issues.

 

[Hodge]

Hopefully this hurts Schaefer's draft stock. Potentially terrific news for us.

 

[TheBeard]

Hopefully this hurts Schaefer's draft stock. Potentially terrific news for us.

I highly doubt it does.

 

[coooldude]

I highly doubt it does.

It won't drop him out of the top 4 but it very well might slow down the 1OA hype train, especially if Hagens keeps looking better and better.

We really can't go wrong with the top 4.

 

[TheBeard]

It won't drop him out of the top 4 but it very well might slow down the 1OA hype train, especially if Hagens keeps looking better and better.

We really can't go wrong with the top 4.

At the end of the day, whomever is taken first overall it’s gonna be because a team wants a franchise D-man or a franchise Center.

 

[coooldude]

Also, others have said, but... Can you imagine if we didn't win the lottery? Sounds like Levshunov is doing just okay in the AHL at 10 points in 28g and "solid" if unspectacular. I continue to be a doubter. Demidov seems to be doing well but I'm not sure that would have been Grier's choice at 2/3. We would be hurting as a franchise without Macklin, and desperate for 1OA and Hagens this year.

 

[vortexy]

Also, others have said, but... Can you imagine if we didn't win the lottery? Sounds like Levshunov is doing just okay in the AHL at 10 points in 28g and "solid" if unspectacular. I continue to be a doubter. Demidov seems to be doing well but I'm not sure that would have been Grier's choice at 2/3. We would be hurting as a franchise without Macklin, and desperate for 1OA and Hagens this year.

Agreed, imagine what our team looks like this season without Macklin…yikes. I personally find the Sharks must watch this season just because of Macklin, the kid is truly special. If we had the second or third overall pick last year I believe Grier probably leans in the Levshunov or Lidstrom (has not even touched the ice this season) direction, and yeah….lets be very happy we got #1 and Macklin is ours.

 

[TheBeard]

Also, others have said, but... Can you imagine if we didn't win the lottery? Sounds like Levshunov is doing just okay in the AHL at 10 points in 28g and "solid" if unspectacular. I continue to be a doubter. Demidov seems to be doing well but I'm not sure that would have been Grier's choice at 2/3. We would be hurting as a franchise without Macklin, and desperate for 1OA and Hagens this year.

I honestly don’t know what Grier would have done had we not won the lotto. My guess is Lev second anyways.

 

[matt trick]

It won't drop him out of the top 4, but could drop him out of the top 2. Either way, feel for the kid. I'd still take him at one. He looked to be Canada's best player.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Also, others have said, but... Can you imagine if we didn't win the lottery? Sounds like Levshunov is doing just okay in the AHL at 10 points in 28g and "solid" if unspectacular. I continue to be a doubter. Demidov seems to be doing well but I'm not sure that would have been Grier's choice at 2/3. We would be hurting as a franchise without Macklin, and desperate for 1OA and Hagens this year.

The rebuild would straight up be a failure if we didn't win Mack. None of the top 2024 picks look like game-changers to me except Buium, who we obviously wouldn't have picked top-3, and Demidov, who is a one-way winger and whom I doubt we'd have taken top-3.

As I said before the lottery, every successful rebuild has some lottery luck involved. Imagine the Oilers without McDavid or the Avs without Mackinnon. Blackhawks don't win a single Cup if they had Turris or JVR over Kane. Hell, even the Leafs without Matthews or the Sabres without Dahlin. Even sometimes lottery luck is needed to be unable to take a future bust. Imagine the Avs with Hischier or Patrick over Makar, or the Hawks again with Johnson instead of Toews.

Mack is the key to the rebuild.

 

[PattyLafontaine]

Horrible news for Schaefer. Broken collarbone probably puts him out for the year.

It might mean he's avaialble at 2 or 3, which could be a silver lining.

 

[PattyLafontaine]

The rebuild would straight up be a failure if we didn't win Mack. None of the top 2024 picks look like game-changers to me except Buium, who we obviously wouldn't have picked top-3, and Demidov, who is a one-way winger and whom I doubt we'd have taken top-3.

As I said before the lottery, every successful rebuild has some lottery luck involved. Imagine the Oilers without McDavid or the Avs without Mackinnon. Blackhawks don't win a single Cup if they had Turris or JVR over Kane. Hell, even the Leafs without Matthews or the Sabres without Dahlin. Even sometimes lottery luck is needed to be unable to take a future bust. Imagine the Avs with Hischier or Patrick over Makar, or the Hawks again with Johnson instead of Toews.

Mack is the key to the rebuild.

That's the luck portion of the rebuild. Hard enough to get a #1 overall pick. Even harder to get a #1 pick that projects as a potential Hart trophy winner.

Grier has been quite good about weaponizing cap space and using retention slots and the 5 skating pending UFAs could all yield picks/prospects before the deadline.

Hoepfully he'll deal Granlund, Kunin, Sturm, Ceci, and Rutta before the deadline.

 

[Juxtaposer]

It might mean he's avaialble at 2 or 3, which could be a silver lining.

Lowest he goes is 2 IMO. Hagens is showing out at the WJC as I'd hoped. Martone is clearly a tier below at this point. Misa not being picked plus some minor attitude stuff I think will put him below Hagens and Schaefer but his dynamic qualities boost him above Martone, unless a real size queen of a GM gets up early.

That's the luck portion of the rebuild. Hard enough to get a #1 overall pick. Even harder to get a #1 pick that projects as a potential Hart trophy winner.

Grier has been quite good about weaponizing cap space and using retention slots and the 5 skating pending UFAs could all yield picks/prospects before the deadline.

Hoepfully he'll deal Granlund, Kunin, Sturm, Ceci, and Rutta before the deadline.

Yeah that's exactly right. It's not just winning #1 but winning it in a year where Macklin Celebrini is available. Imagine a rebuild where your crown jewel is Alexis Lafreniere, Owen Power, or Juraj Slafkovsky.

I've complained at length about all the absurdly bad luck the Sharks as a franchise have endured over the past twenty years, but after winning Mack I feel like everything is settled.

 

[PattyLafontaine]

Lowest he goes is 2 IMO. Hagens is showing out at the WJC as I'd hoped. Martone is clearly a tier below at this point. Misa not being picked plus some minor attitude stuff I think will put him below Hagens and Schaefer but his dynamic qualities boost him above Martone, unless a real size queen of a GM gets up early.


Yeah that's exactly right. It's not just winning #1 but winning it in a year where Macklin Celebrini is available. Imagine a rebuild where your crown jewel is Alexis Lafreniere, Owen Power, or Juraj Slafkovsky.

I've complained at length about all the absurdly bad luck the Sharks as a franchise have endured over the past twenty years, but after winning Mack I feel like everything is settled.

Reminds me when the Warriors were a cursed franchise and they won the lottery only to get Joe freakin Smith.

 

[weastern bias]

unless a real size queen of a GM gets up early.

 

[karltonian]

Lowest he goes is 2 IMO. Hagens is showing out at the WJC as I'd hoped. Martone is clearly a tier below at this point. Misa not being picked plus some minor attitude stuff I think will put him below Hagens and Schaefer but his dynamic qualities boost him above Martone, unless a real size queen of a GM gets up early.


Yeah that's exactly right. It's not just winning #1 but winning it in a year where Macklin Celebrini is available. Imagine a rebuild where your crown jewel is Alexis Lafreniere, Owen Power, or Juraj Slafkovsky.

I've complained at length about all the absurdly bad luck the Sharks as a franchise have endured over the past twenty years, but after winning Mack I feel like everything is settled.

*monkey's paw curls*

 

[Cas]

I suddenly remember that I drafted Michael Misa (8th overall) in my long-running Sharks dynasty for Franchise Hockey Manager - he became a very high-impact 3C for me for about six years, winning four Stanley and two Calder Cups before going to Chicago as a free agent.

Spoiler: The real stars of that dynasty were:

Matvei Michkov (drafted second overall in 2023), with 667 G and 916 A, winning five Cups and two Smythes, two Ross, and one Richard;
Alexei Dontsov (in real life a very obscure undrafted Russian prospect), 440 G and 720 A, five Cups;
Chris Rhoades (not a real player, drafted #2 in 2025 out of USNTDP, spent two years at Alabama-Huntsville), 662 G and 729 A, six Cups and a Smythe, still active as of 2045
Bryce McConnell-Barker, who spent fourteen years anchoring my 4C slot and won five Cups, spent ten years as an alternate captain
Ryan Merkley, 793 points, five Cups (including the shocking 2021 Cup win), a Norris and a Smythe, five years as captain
Arvid Carlsson (not a real player, drafted 2027), with five Cups, two Norrises, a Smythe, and a Byng
Gregg Parkinson (not a real player, drafted 2031), with two Cups and four Norris wins as of age 31 in 2045.

Let's make it happen.

 

[karltonian]

I suddenly remember that I drafted Michael Misa (8th overall) in my long-running Sharks dynasty for Franchise Hockey Manager - he became a very high-impact 3C for me for about six years, winning four Stanley and two Calder Cups before going to Chicago as a free agent.

Spoiler: The real stars of that dynasty were:

Matvei Michkov (drafted second overall in 2023), with 667 G and 916 A, winning five Cups and two Smythes, two Ross, and one Richard;
Alexei Dontsov (in real life a very obscure undrafted Russian prospect), 440 G and 720 A, five Cups;
Chris Rhoades (not a real player, drafted #2 in 2025 out of USNTDP, spent two years at Alabama-Huntsville), 662 G and 729 A, six Cups and a Smythe, still active as of 2045
Bryce McConnell-Barker, who spent fourteen years anchoring my 4C slot and won five Cups, spent ten years as an alternate captain
Ryan Merkley, 793 points, five Cups (including the shocking 2021 Cup win), a Norris and a Smythe, five years as captain
Arvid Carlsson (not a real player, drafted 2027), with five Cups, two Norrises, a Smythe, and a Byng
Gregg Parkinson (not a real player, drafted 2031), with two Cups and four Norris wins as of age 31 in 2045.

Let's make it happen.

always knew merks had it in him.

 

[Anomie2029]

This will be real interesting to see how long Schaefer is out hopefully it’s not too bad but this definitely could lower his stock a bit. Also Martone was benched for the whole third period in Canada’s game vs Latvia crazy upset there. Really feel Team Canada could have used a Michael Misa who I also feel should be picked above Martone.

I personally see it as a top 3 that could go in any order, I prefer Schaefer for the Sharks but Misa would be my next option then Hagens. Martone is 4th for me

Canada’s world juniors team is an example that selecting role players who “play the right way” rather than the best skilled players is just idiotic nonsense from ‘Good ol hockey men’. Remember when US left Kessel off the Olympics team and they struggled because they picked a team of role guys?