2025 NHL Draft: Lose a ton for Porter Martone

[tiburon12]

Nah, I think you try and pry someone like Cozens, Quinn, or Peterka away for less than they're worth. I feel like they'd rebound if put into a better environment. Pretty much every name Buffalo has traded away has gone on to have success with other teams.

In theory yea, but again those guys are part of the no-effort problem. I'd be cool so long Grier and co can vet who's got that no-quit attitude. I like Peterka in that sense.

 

[Juxtaposer]

In theory yea, but again those guys are part of the no-effort problem. I'd be cool so long Grier and co can vet who's got that no-quit attitude. I like Peterka in that sense.

Eichel, O'Reilly, Reinhart, Montour, etc. were also "part of the problem", except now they're Stanley Cup winners.

I truly believe that one guy can easily be rehabilitated when you give him a chance in a positive environment.

 

[anthonyyy]

Woo, Chicago came back from 0-2 to beat the Caps.

Yes I know it's too early to scoreboard watch but I'm bored lol.

 

[tiburon12]

Eichel, O'Reilly, Reinhart, Montour, etc. were also "part of the problem", except now they're Stanley Cup winners.

I truly believe that one guy can easily be rehabilitated when you give him a chance in a positive environment.

For sure the right players can be rehabbed, but not all, that's why I said if the team can vet who has the ingredients they want i'd be cool with it. The Sharks overplayed their hand with the hubris that they could fix anyone during the last regime.

 

[PattyLafontaine]

Woo, Chicago came back from 0-2 to beat the Caps.

Yes I know it's too early to scoreboard watch but I'm bored lol.

Was surprised to see them comeback. Ooh boy are the Rangers self-destructing. Can't beleive Nashville shut the Rangers out.

Buffalo is also awful.

Right now sitting in 4th slot.

 

[Juxtaposer]

For sure the right players can be rehabbed, but not all, that's why I said if the team can vet who has the ingredients they want i'd be cool with it. The Sharks overplayed their hand with the hubris that they could fix anyone during the last regime.

Yeah, obviously you do your homework. But I don't believe one player can tank a whole locker room and I also don't believe most NHL players have a meaningful effect on the team culture unless they're the star guys.

 

[DG93]

Yeah, obviously you do your homework. But I don't believe one player can tank a whole locker room and I also don't believe most NHL players have a meaningful effect on the team culture unless they're the star guys.

I would add that you also take on the rehab projects that fit a need or are a commodity (like big centers, defensemen, etc.)...so I'd be much more open to taking on Cozens rather than a small skill winger, for example

 

[Juxtaposer]

I would add that you also take on the rehab projects that fit a need or are a commodity (like big centers, defensemen, etc.)...so I'd be much more open to taking on Cozens rather than a small skill winger, for example

I don't see Quinn or Peterka as "small skill wingers", but I agree with your point. Don't know if Cozens is a center though.

 

[Shark Finn]

?? stop shortselling our Orr - Orr pairing

You leave Ferraro and Rutta out of this conversation.

 

[matt trick]

My ideal draft result. Hawks are out of the McKenna lotto (unless they're 32nd overall and no one moves up), and Sharks get Schaefer. Wouldn't mind seeing Nash get a legit #1 C (even though they are in our conference), and ANA/MTL loses out on the big 4. Misa going East works for me too.

 

[Forlan]

My ideal draft result. Hawks are out of the McKenna lotto (unless they're 32nd overall and no one moves up), and Sharks get Schaefer. Wouldn't mind seeing Nash get a legit #1 C (even though they are in our conference), and ANA/MTL loses out on the big 4. Misa going East works for me too.

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It's a good picture for the Sharks, but it seems to me that other teams will not be able to choose Schaefer

 

[Barrie22]

Sharks at december 20th 34 games (32 last year). 11 wins (9 last year), 18 losses (20 last year), 9 ot losses (3 last year), 27 points (21 last year).

On pace for 66 points (last year 53). If we keep the same pace, and the point totals are roughly the same for the rest of the league, we are then pacing for 4th last.

 

[pappaf2]

So let’s say the sharks end up with the 3rd or 4th pick and Schaefer is most certainly picked before then. Is it worth it (good value and reasonably realistic) to package that pick to get a young top Dman from another team? Any potential targets?

 

[coooldude]

So let’s say the sharks end up with the 3rd or 4th pick and Schaefer is most certainly picked before then. Is it worth it (good value and reasonably realistic) to package that pick to get a young top Dman from another team? Any potential targets?

I say you take Misa, Hagens, or Martone and laugh heartily.

 

[Cas]

So let’s say the sharks end up with the 3rd or 4th pick and Schaefer is most certainly picked before then. Is it worth it (good value and reasonably realistic) to package that pick to get a young top Dman from another team? Any potential targets?

Sure, if Dallas calls and says "we'll give you Heiskanen for #4 and Cagnoni," but that's not going to happen.

Realistically, there are no trades worth making.

 

[vortexy]

So let’s say the sharks end up with the 3rd or 4th pick and Schaefer is most certainly picked before then. Is it worth it (good value and reasonably realistic) to package that pick to get a young top Dman from another team? Any potential targets?

If we had the 5th overall pick or worse then I would say you could consider this. But pick 3 or 4 in this draft class you are happy with whatever is left. Of course you would prefer Schafer but “the big 4” all have arguments to be the #1 overall pick this year so you would gladly take whoever is left at #3 or #4 and walk away very happy in my opinion.

It’s the main reason I am hoping we end up either last or second last in the standing so we can guarantee a top 4 pick this draft, and wouldn’t have to rely on chance/luck to land one of the top four. I truly believe the drop off in prospects after pick #4 is a little jarring.

 

[dmcccdmn]

Buffalo is currently out-tanking everyone. They are win-less in their last 11 games. Ironically, Buffalo's last win was against the Sharks, so good job there. But at this rate, they'll end up with the best odds of landing 1OA pick and Schaefer.

We need to let Georgiev play more, particularly against bottom dwellers. Schaefer in teal would be huge for us.

 

[NiWa]

Scouching released his rankings so far for the draft class, he goes into a lot of detail and analysis on each of the players. His top 5 is as follows, 1. Schaefer, 2. Misa, 3. Hagens, 4. Martone, 5. Eklund

Scouching’s Preliminary 2025 NHL Draft Ranking — Scouching

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While we would be delighted with Schaefer, and very happy with the others in the top 4, there's a chance we may end up finishing 5th and end up picking 6th or 7th (boo!). Who are your favorites in that next tier?

On the forward side, Hodge mentioned Frondell, who is a C and generally seen as top 10, but also ranked lower e.g. by Elite Prospects (#17).
McQueen has the size, but injury concerns and is still quite raw,

On wing, Eklund was debated as possibly being too similar in profile, and small, but has that tremendous drive. Next might be guys like Lakovic, or Spence for complementary wingers with size/grit, but those are rather the types you can get a hit with mid to late firsts usually.

On the defense, Jackson Smith (LHD) is considered a lock as secondary pairing D, with upside for more. Powerful skater, physical, has skill, but still some uncertainty around offensive potential. He seems like he'd be a serious contender as consolidation prize for us?

The RHDs unfortunately all seem like unrealistic targets for our range: Hensler, Mrtka seem to be around the 15-20.
I'd assume we are more likely to target an RHD with our second, unless there's another faller like Chernyshov last year.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

If we fall outside the top four, the only sensible trade option is to trade back from five to seven or eight depending on where one might see Eklund be and what sort of package you're being offered. Otherwise, even at five, I'm taking Frondell and would be happy with that result. I don't think an extra 2nd makes me trade back from 5 to 7 or 8 but a late 1st might.

 

[sincityshark]

Seattle just traded for Kakko . feel like we could've offered a similar package, did GMMG not make a call ?

 

[coooldude]

While we would be delighted with Schaefer, and very happy with the others in the top 4, there's a chance we may end up finishing 5th and end up picking 6th or 7th (boo!). Who are your favorites in that next tier?

On the forward side, Hodge mentioned Frondell, who is a C and generally seen as top 10, but also ranked lower e.g. by Elite Prospects (#17).
McQueen has the size, but injury concerns and is still quite raw,

On wing, Eklund was debated as possibly being too similar in profile, and small, but has that tremendous drive. Next might be guys like Lakovic, or Spence for complementary wingers with size/grit, but those are rather the types you can get a hit with mid to late firsts usually.

On the defense, Jackson Smith (LHD) is considered a lock as secondary pairing D, with upside for more. Powerful skater, physical, has skill, but still some uncertainty around offensive potential. He seems like he'd be a serious contender as consolidation prize for us?

The RHDs unfortunately all seem like unrealistic targets for our range: Hensler, Mrtka seem to be around the 15-20.
I'd assume we are more likely to target an RHD with our second, unless there's another faller like Chernyshov last year.

Would add Desnoyers, who seems like he'll be a very useful, good skating, good size, versatile middle 6 F, possibly a great 3C. Kind of a better Bystedt, maybe.

For me though, as of today, it's J. Smith, with a close eye on how Hensler and Mrtka finish out the year.

 

[Levie]

Seattle just traded for Kakko . feel like we could've offered a similar package, did GMMG not make a call ?

Wouldn't be surprised if he just wasn't interested. Maybe a culture thing. He was in the same organization so it's unlikely he just didn't make the call unless he had serious reservations.