2025 NHL Draft: Lose a ton for Porter Martone

[weastern bias]

Hahaha. I dunno….

As a side note: the one upside Is the more you win, the better you usually get for your assets. I in’s usually mean more points for players, more pluses, more production. As such, trade values rise. (See tonight: 2 goals from Kunin… deadline value rising)

inB4 8 year Kunin contract extension

 

[Star Platinum]

You mean the games that happened and counted? The season was active at that point, you can't handwave away the historically bad start to the year just to pretend the team is better than it is

"They would have a much better record if you don't count the losses!"

Yeah, they all count the same, this team is bad, they've beaten 2 good teams all year, almost all of their Ws have come against bottomfeeders or bubble teams, outside of New Jersey and Washington they haven't beaten a single impressive opponent and we're 30 games into the season

At this point you are ignoring a large sample size of ineptitude, we're 36% of the way through the season and we're 3rd last in points percentage, that's on track for a guaranteed top-5 pick right there

The positive momentum was deeply troubling. However, recent events have restored my faith in the tank.

 

[Patty Ice]

inB4 8 year Kunin contract extension

Yes please.

 

[Juxtaposer]

New EP ranking dropped:

1. Hagens
2. Schaefer
3. Misa
4. Martone
5. McQueen
6. J. Smith
7. Eklund
8. Schmidt
9. Bear
10. Lakovic

They say that the margin between Hagens and Schaefer is razor thin right now and that any of the top-5 have a reasonable chance to claim #1 by the time the season is over. I like Jackson Smith at #6 and overall totally agree with the top-7.

Frondell, Hensler, and especially Ryabkin continue to free-fall.

Overall they too consider it a weak draft with only ~20 first-round caliber players.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

New EP ranking dropped:

1. Hagens
2. Schaefer
3. Misa
4. Martone
5. McQueen
6. J. Smith
7. Eklund
8. Schmidt
9. Bear
10. Lakovic

They say that the margin between Hagens and Schaefer is razor thin right now and that any of the top-5 have a reasonable chance to claim #1 by the time the season is over. I like Jackson Smith at #6 and overall totally agree with the top-7.

Frondell, Hensler, and especially Ryabkin continue to free-fall.

Overall they too consider it a weak draft with only ~20 first-round caliber players.

If you had to choose between a 2025 and a 2026 1st rounder for Granlund, given these estimations, where would you land?

 

[matt trick]

If you had to choose between a 2025 and a 2026 1st rounder for Granlund, given these estimations, where would you land?

Beyond 2025 being a weaker draft, getting the more uncertain asset (2026 1st) is a better bet. We were (overly) hopeful that Vegas losses in depth (Marchessault, Stephenson, Thompson) would result in them taking a step back. Similarly, a lot of people saw Detroit/Ottawa as taking big steps this offseason. Some though Chicago and Montreal were primed for major improvements.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Beyond 2025 being a weaker draft, getting the more uncertain asset (2026 1st) is a better bet. We were (overly) hopeful that Vegas losses in depth (Marchessault, Stephenson, Thompson) would result in them taking a step back. Similarly, a lot of people saw Detroit/Ottawa as taking big steps this offseason. Some though Chicago and Montreal were primed for major improvements.

I think the only way I'd pick 2025 is if I felt that Mrtka or Trethewey were reachable. I don't think they will be so I'd probably ask for 2026.

 

[Juxtaposer]

If you had to choose between a 2025 and a 2026 1st rounder for Granlund, given these estimations, where would you land?

I'd probably prefer 2026 if you put a gun to my head.

 

[Hodge]

Ranking a 5'7 winger 8th overall is the funniest thing Elite Prospects has done since naming Musty the 15th best prospect in hockey.

 

[PattyLafontaine]

New EP ranking dropped:

1. Hagens
2. Schaefer
3. Misa
4. Martone
5. McQueen
6. J. Smith
7. Eklund
8. Schmidt
9. Bear
10. Lakovic

They say that the margin between Hagens and Schaefer is razor thin right now and that any of the top-5 have a reasonable chance to claim #1 by the time the season is over. I like Jackson Smith at #6 and overall totally agree with the top-7.

Frondell, Hensler, and especially Ryabkin continue to free-fall.

Overall they too consider it a weak draft with only ~20 first-round caliber players.

I'd remove McQueen due to his back. Just look at Lindstrom. They guy hasn't even played this year. I had a microdiscectomy and was doing p90x two months after my surgery at 37. He is 18 and hasn't played in several months.

 

[jMoneyBrah]

I'd remove McQueen due to his back. Just look at Lindstrom. They guy hasn't even played this year. I had a microdiscectomy and was doing p90x two months after my surgery at 37. He is 18 and hasn't played in several months.

 

[sharski]

You mean the games that happened and counted? The season was active at that point, you can't handwave away the historically bad start to the year just to pretend the team is better than it is

"They would have a much better record if you don't count the losses!"

Yeah, they all count the same, this team is bad, they've beaten 2 good teams all year, almost all of their Ws have come against bottomfeeders or bubble teams, outside of New Jersey and Washington they haven't beaten a single impressive opponent and we're 30 games into the season

At this point you are ignoring a large sample size of ineptitude, we're 36% of the way through the season and we're 3rd last in points percentage, that's on track for a guaranteed top-5 pick right there

the Sharks are notoriously slow starters & this isn't even their final form... once vlasic and couture are back they'll be so deep i don't see how they don't win the division

they have the league right where they want them

 

[StanleyCup2035]

I'd remove McQueen due to his back. Just look at Lindstrom. They guy hasn't even played this year. I had a microdiscectomy and was doing p90x two months after my surgery at 37. He is 18 and hasn't played in several months.

I hope he doesn't get a claim rejection from United Health. Too soon?

 

[Star Platinum]

I hope he doesn't get a claim rejection from United Health. Too soon?

 

[Patty Ice]

Overall they too consider it a weak draft with only ~20 first-round caliber players.

Good thing Grier didn't share some of our delusions of that Vegas pick being lottery worthy and instead used it on our goalie of the future.

 

[mogambomoroo]

Good thing Grier didn't share some of our delusions of that Vegas pick being lottery worthy and instead used it on our goalie of the future.

That was 100% success. If I had to change one thing I would have given Edström a chance, but it was the price to pay for the future goalie of the franchise.

 

[Patty Ice]

That was 100% success. If I had to change one thing I would have given Edström a chance, but it was the price to pay for the future goalie of the franchise.

Concerning Edstrom, who would you rather he be replaced with? Trotz wanted a center prospect in the deal. Basically it was him or Bystedt. I personally like Bystedt's offensive potential better. I think he will compliment our future center depth nicely.

 

[mogambomoroo]

Concerning Edstrom, who would you rather he be replaced with? Trotz wanted a center prospect in the deal. Basically it was him or Bystedt. I personally like Bystedt's offensive potential better. I think he will compliment our future center depth nicely.

Personally I was always more on the team Edström rather then Bystedt. But I'm happy we had one of them to choose from at the end of the day. I think Edström looked better at the prospect thingy we had in summer and is year younger.

 

[Shark Finn]

Personally I was always more on the team Edström rather then Bystedt. But I'm happy we had one of them to choose from at the end of the day. I think Edström looked better at the prospect thingy we had in summer and is year younger.

I'm thinking as Grier knows Bystedt better and has already invested into his development, it was a no brainer

 

[Juxtaposer]

I'm thinking as Grier knows Bystedt better and has already invested into his development, it was a no brainer

Or on the flip side, it's possible that Nashville specifically wanted Edstrom because they like him better. Prospect people tend to like Edstrom a little more than Bystedt.

 

[Shark Finn]

Or on the flip side, it's possible that Nashville specifically wanted Edstrom because they like him better. Prospect people tend to like Edstrom a little more than Bystedt.

Sure, could be. Both parties are probably happy, at least about the Edström and Bystedt part.

 

[TheBeard]

Good thing Grier didn't share some of our delusions of that Vegas pick being lottery worthy and instead used it on our goalie of the future.

Can’t believe so many actually thought Vegas was going to bottom out this year.

 

[Hodge]

Can’t believe so many actually thought Vegas was going to bottom out this year.

They could still bottom out. They're easily the most fraudulent "good" team in the league.

 

[dmcccdmn]

Vegas playing well makes Askarov trade a bigger steal than it already was. I get that franchise goalies are usually later picks. That is because it's hard to project goalie's skills so far in advance. But Askarov is progressing well so the risk is much less that he'll suck. Now that's one area Grier doesn't have to worry about

 

[TheBeard]

Vegas playing well makes Askarov trade a bigger steal than it already was. I get that franchise goalies are usually later picks. That is because it's hard to project goalie's skills so far in advance. But Askarov is progressing well so the risk is much less that he'll suck. Now that's one area Grier doesn't have to worry about

This trade honestly Could not have turned out worse for Nashville. They’d probably be more inclined to rebuild with askarov in the system than an aging Saros.

They could still bottom out. They're easily the most fraudulent "good" team in the league.

They won’t bottom out. Now i think they’re an early round bust in the playoffs but for now they can easily stay atop the pacific so long as they can pick on the sharks, ducks and kraken of the division.