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We're not picking 9th or something, we're still probably the worst team in the league. If Askarov is a legitimate above-average NHL goaltender starting right now, Grier will be ecstatic.
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I don't think Chabot is long for Ottawa, i'm not that high on Yakemchuk, and Sanderson doesn't have the offensive chops to be a good #1. Schaefer is exactly what they need IMO.
Probably a moot point as I don't see Ottawa as serious lottery contenders, but yeah.
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We will see without Mack, but I’d say Chicago is definitely worse. Montreal and Nashville feel like they should be better. I’d say worse case scenario is probably 6th and that would be stunning (and require bad lotto luck to boot).
Agreed on your Askarov point, that was more tongue in cheek. If Askarov looks league average we’ll be thrilled.
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I'll tell you this much, if we finish say 2nd (instead of 3rd) and drop to 4th (instead of 5th) in the lottery trading up would cost a hell of a lot more than COL's 2nd to trade into the Misa/Martone/Schaefer/Hagens tier.
That may be the best part of the trade.
That may be the best part of the trade.
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I wonder what it would it cost to move from like 3rd to 1st? Or would Grier just take who’s left of the 4 rather than go all in on Schaefer.
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Too much. Something major plus a top 4 pick to get #1. Something major like Dickinson or a future 1st. You don't give up your first choice prospect for your third choice and Musty or a pair of 2nds.
Put another way, even if NSH told us they were drafting Hagens or Misa, would you risk moving from 1st overall to 3rd for say Edstrom and Vegas 1st? No. Moldendyk+1st. Maybe. Pre-Askarov trade, Askarov+3rd overall for 1st overall would have definitely grabbed my attention.
The top four all look good. I think any of them will be fighting Smith for 2nd most valuable asset on the Sharks. Hopefully BDE or Askarov make that fighting for 3rd best!
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As long as we land a top 4 pick, we're good.
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if they're picking #4, I'll consider that mission accomplished
if they're picking #3, I think they'll somehow be in an even better spot than last year when they had the Dickinson/Buium choice
If they're picking #2, I honeslty think it's about as good as going #1
If they're picking #1, I demand they trade down to #2 to avoid the inevitable revenge the league will be taking out on the Sharks for the next 25 lotteries
if they're picking #3, I think they'll somehow be in an even better spot than last year when they had the Dickinson/Buium choice
If they're picking #2, I honeslty think it's about as good as going #1
If they're picking #1, I demand they trade down to #2 to avoid the inevitable revenge the league will be taking out on the Sharks for the next 25 lotteries
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Chicago pulls off a win in regulation and the Habs and Ducks are headed to OT. Even dark horse tank contenders in the Wings and Sabres went to OT.
What a night for the tank
What a night for the tank
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2025 NHL Mock Draft with Lottery Simulator | Tankathon
2025 NHL Mock Draft with lottery simulator to see where the top NHL prospects could be drafted. Order updated after every game. Some team needs are factored into each draft simulation result
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Was just coming in to post this. Great way to kick off the fully-embraced tank after trading Blackwood.
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After winning the Celebrini lottery we are definitely in the "let the chips fall as they may" portion of the tank process. . .
. . . it just so happens that we are a legit contender for the worst team in hockey, so the chips may still fall at #1 overall
Even the Blackwood deal, I don't see it as an outright tank move, Grier got premium value for a player on an expiring contract that he wasn't going to re-sign and who has a successor lined up, it was classic asset management, IT JUST SO HAPPENES we ALSO managed to aquire the single worst starting goaltender in the league as a part of the deal, and you know what, that's just a nice bonus
. . . it just so happens that we are a legit contender for the worst team in hockey, so the chips may still fall at #1 overall
Even the Blackwood deal, I don't see it as an outright tank move, Grier got premium value for a player on an expiring contract that he wasn't going to re-sign and who has a successor lined up, it was classic asset management, IT JUST SO HAPPENES we ALSO managed to aquire the single worst starting goaltender in the league as a part of the deal, and you know what, that's just a nice bonus
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With 1OA, at this point in the season, I think you have to go Schaefer. He's 3 weeks from being in McKenna's draft FFS, and he's already in the 1OA convo. Schaefer if he hits becomes our franchise true #1 and Dickinson becomes a luxury driving the 2nd pair and we have 45-50min/game of excellent defensive play. If both of them just hit the middle of their ranges, we still have two guys who could be #2's, making our top two pairs highly playable.
I think I need more time between the other three. Martone is the book answer as he fits our organizational needs better, and if he turns into Perry or M. Tkachuk then holy shit.
But Hagens just might be the dude you can't pass up and figure out our small forwards problem later, assuming Smith stays on the wing and we have Eklund-Celebrini and Hagens-Smith, and find them some big boys who can keep up.
Misa has goals and points but his underlying evals aren't quite as strong... however, he plays with a motor and could be a versatile 2C/top 6 W or a league-winning 3C one day, like a slightly smaller Ladd or Jordan Staal.
It really is clear at this point that those top 4 fit our needs pretty well and then it drops off for both potential and need imho. There's talk of Eklund II, Frondell, and for me those players aren't as exciting. McQueen as others have said is a DND for me with the back issues. The rest of the next tier who we might target (Jackson Smith, Hensler, Desnoyers, Mrtka) are "settle for them" pieces if we somehow don't pick top 5.
I think I need more time between the other three. Martone is the book answer as he fits our organizational needs better, and if he turns into Perry or M. Tkachuk then holy shit.
But Hagens just might be the dude you can't pass up and figure out our small forwards problem later, assuming Smith stays on the wing and we have Eklund-Celebrini and Hagens-Smith, and find them some big boys who can keep up.
Misa has goals and points but his underlying evals aren't quite as strong... however, he plays with a motor and could be a versatile 2C/top 6 W or a league-winning 3C one day, like a slightly smaller Ladd or Jordan Staal.
It really is clear at this point that those top 4 fit our needs pretty well and then it drops off for both potential and need imho. There's talk of Eklund II, Frondell, and for me those players aren't as exciting. McQueen as others have said is a DND for me with the back issues. The rest of the next tier who we might target (Jackson Smith, Hensler, Desnoyers, Mrtka) are "settle for them" pieces if we somehow don't pick top 5.
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Nice write-up. I didn't know Misa's underlying stats aren't as strong. That's good to know. Schaefer, Martone and Hagens look like studs, and for regular folks like us, we'll go "you can't go wrong witth any 1 of those 3." But for Grier, he's likely judging those 3 more carefully and one of those might be head and shoulders above the others to him. I'd like to hear from others to see what they think between Schaefer, Martone and Hagens.
As of right now, we aren't guaranteed even a top-4 pick because both Chicago and Nashville are really terrible teams. Even with the worst goalie, I just don't see us out-tanking those 2 teams. It would really be nice if we can get a worst record to guarantee top-3 pick so we can for sure get Schaefer, Martone or Hagens.
Yeah, its a little early to be talking top 3 pick. Up until two games ago, te sharks were looking like a respectable team. Granted, the last two games and then trading away blackwood sure makes a tank more likely, but I don't see it happening on purpose. They could play their way to number 5-8....
I like schaefer too if we get the chance though. I will admit that Schaefer/Dick would be arguably the two best Dmen in the entire CHL, and would project amazingly well on the blueline. Wouldnt take a whole lot to build a blue line around them.
As a side note, I think much depends on the development the rest of the year too. Does Chernyshov come back and look strong? We know about Dick, but how about Cagnoni, Mukh, and Pohlcamp? How will Musty come back? Bystedt?
We should know much more by June where the sharks development system is, and then we can assess better what needs we have and how to strategize around the draft.
I like schaefer too if we get the chance though. I will admit that Schaefer/Dick would be arguably the two best Dmen in the entire CHL, and would project amazingly well on the blueline. Wouldnt take a whole lot to build a blue line around them.
As a side note, I think much depends on the development the rest of the year too. Does Chernyshov come back and look strong? We know about Dick, but how about Cagnoni, Mukh, and Pohlcamp? How will Musty come back? Bystedt?
We should know much more by June where the sharks development system is, and then we can assess better what needs we have and how to strategize around the draft.
I also think draft strategy may depend on returns (if traded) for Granlund, Ceci, sturm, kunin, ruuta, vanecek, Georgiev, Kostin, and possibly some of the kids like bordeleau, gushkin, graf, cardwell, etc that may not be finding a place here but might have some trade value as a semi-developed NHL prospect.
Clearly, there is a long ways to go before draft day. I fully expect much more value to be coming back by the TDL.Those guys above should net about 1 pick in each round (granny gets the 1st, ceci the 2nd, maybe sturm a 3rd, kunin a 4th, ruuta a 5th, vanecek a 6th, and gorgy a 7th), so basically we get the equivalent of a full draft year at the deadline, in addition to our picks. Such a haul would drastically change around the draft strategy as we could have some 12-14 picks, with multiple picks in just about every round. Lots of capital to acquire proven vets (when paired with the young prospects), or move up in the draft to get higher quality guys.
One of my goals for the rest of the year is to see if some of the young guns can come up and stick. Id like to see Graf get another shot soon. Maybe give Cagnoni a little taste? Use this year to get a little NHL experience for some of the young cuda guns, kinda like Gush and cards are. Neither grabbed the reins in their chances, but I'd keep the revolving door open for Bystedt, cagnoni, and graf especially. It would be very nice to have a kid establish themselves into the top 9 in the second half.
Clearly, there is a long ways to go before draft day. I fully expect much more value to be coming back by the TDL.Those guys above should net about 1 pick in each round (granny gets the 1st, ceci the 2nd, maybe sturm a 3rd, kunin a 4th, ruuta a 5th, vanecek a 6th, and gorgy a 7th), so basically we get the equivalent of a full draft year at the deadline, in addition to our picks. Such a haul would drastically change around the draft strategy as we could have some 12-14 picks, with multiple picks in just about every round. Lots of capital to acquire proven vets (when paired with the young prospects), or move up in the draft to get higher quality guys.
One of my goals for the rest of the year is to see if some of the young guns can come up and stick. Id like to see Graf get another shot soon. Maybe give Cagnoni a little taste? Use this year to get a little NHL experience for some of the young cuda guns, kinda like Gush and cards are. Neither grabbed the reins in their chances, but I'd keep the revolving door open for Bystedt, cagnoni, and graf especially. It would be very nice to have a kid establish themselves into the top 9 in the second half.
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The team literally never escaped bottom-3 in points percentage while playing a bottom-5 ranked strength of schedule, this was never a respectable team to anyone who was paying attention to detail
True, but that was largely the 0-7-2 start. They clearly cannot come close to competing with the top of the league, but they were above average against the bottom. Hence why I wonder if 5-10th from the bottom is more likely by the end of the year. Of course, blackwood gone, smith banged up, and even one more real injury, and you gotta figure bottom 3 is highly likely.
that said, the sharks are currently 3rd worst, but only by a couple of points. They are just a few wins from 5th or 6th worst (in pts %), so I can hardly say that bottom 3 is in the bag.
Warsofsky has them playing pretty inspired hockey, and if they keep that going, they will win some games. Just 3 games ago, they beat WSH in their barn. What if they win tonight? What is Kovalenko steps in a stars like Zetterlund has? Or vanecek ups his game as the clear #1 (hes just 2 years removed from a 52gp, 2.45, 911% year and is in his UFA season)
weastern bias
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You mean the games that happened and counted? The season was active at that point, you can't handwave away the historically bad start to the year just to pretend the team is better than it is
"They would have a much better record if you don't count the losses!"
Yeah, they all count the same, this team is bad, they've beaten 2 good teams all year, almost all of their Ws have come against bottomfeeders or bubble teams, outside of New Jersey and Washington they haven't beaten a single impressive opponent and we're 30 games into the season
At this point you are ignoring a large sample size of ineptitude, we're 36% of the way through the season and we're 3rd last in points percentage, that's on track for a guaranteed top-5 pick right there
WHAT!!?? the first 9 games counted? Thats garbage! The sharks went undefeated in regulation in that stretch when Celly wasn't dressed
hahaha...Your points are well taken. They certainly have not proven themselves a non-bottom 3 team. But, they also haven't proven themselves to be a clear bottom 3 team either. Last year, by this point, it was pretty darn clear that the sharks were not only the worst team in the league, but likely would had a hard time against the top AHL squads. This year is different....
FWIW, I'm keeping my SNOGs in the sharks favor
weastern bias
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Hahaha. I dunno….
As a side note: the one upside Is the more you win, the better you usually get for your assets. I in’s usually mean more points for players, more pluses, more production. As such, trade values rise. (See tonight: 2 goals from Kunin… deadline value rising)
