Grinner
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I wouldn't mind getting Edstrom back
2025 NHL Draft: Lose a ton for Porter Martone
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Given they targeted him as a C prospect, I don't think he's coming back.
Also, kinda felt like the Sharks brought in Edstrom for redundancy at the 3C prospect position, saw him at prospect camp, and were like... we will stick with Bystedt. Obviously, you have to give to get, so Nashville could have been pushing in that direction, but just looking at how well Bystedt has translated to NA ice, makes it really feel like Edstrom was viewed as disposable.
karltonian
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I mean he went for Askarov. I think they weren't thinking much other than, we are getting Askarov. I doubt they would have balked at moving either guy.
Patty Ice
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I've been on Team "Keep Granlund."
Unless some team is offering up a 1st but I doubt anyone other than maybe Nashville (familiarity and a slew of early picks, 3 1sts and 2 2nds) go for it.
Unless some team is offering up a 1st but I doubt anyone other than maybe Nashville (familiarity and a slew of early picks, 3 1sts and 2 2nds) go for it.
Stewie Griffin
What the deuce
Exactly. He's easily our best player, and even with him we're going to finish bottom 3 for sure. It's better to have him there to play with the young guys, show them what works/doesn't in the NHL, and give us a better (not good) chance of winning hockey games. Much rather have that than another late 1st that'll take 4 years to make the team (if ever).
If he doesn’t extend before the deadline then he needs to be moved. It doesn’t matter if it is a 2nd or a 1st he will provide no benefit playing the few meaningless games after the all star break.
That said I would not have a problem if they extend him before the deadline.
Stewie Griffin
What the deuce
Yes he will. That's the time of year when the most rookies are in the lineup, and if they're going to be important in out future, we need to make sure they enjoy playing here, have the best chance to win/succeed, and not just play in a few games where they get torched every night. Morale is a huge part of development, and we do not want to have a losing culture here like Buffalo has had for years.
There's much more to team building than getting draft picks/assets for all of your expiring contracts.
I don't know what to tell you but the losing culture is already here. We'll be out of the playoffs for six consecutive seasons. We get torched occasionally whether Granlund is here or not. There will be veterans around rookie recalls after the deadline with or without Granlund. It comes down to what Granlund wants to do. At 33 by the deadline, he's got limited opportunities to play for a Cup and it won't be here. If he doesn't want to extend, we need to move him for everyone's sake.
Stewie Griffin
What the deuce
For everyone's sake? What does that even mean? You're talking as if keeping him until the offseason and he walks is some sort of detriment.
Yes the losing culture is already here, but we need to address that, not continue it. Whether it's going to make a huge difference or not, Granlund is our best player. Our offense is almost relying on him right now. He's doing huge things to help the confidence of Eklund and Zetterlund, which is extremely important to our future. It also keeps guys in somewhat more natural spots (without him, Wennberg is our current 1C and Kunin the 2C)
At the end of the day, yes our team sucks, and it's further away from the stanley cup at the moment than all other 31 teams. But we're at the point now where we need important pieces like Granlund (again yeah he's older, but still our current most important player) more than we need yet another 20-45th overall pick or whatever it is. Idk about you but I'd like to turn this around sooner rather than later instead of trading expiring assets and become the next Sabres, or even Ducks rn considering how long they've been at the bottom.
Yes, for everyone's sake. It is a detriment to the team to keep Granlund past the trade deadline if he shows no intention on staying here on the team's terms. He will be disappointed that the team didn't move him to a contender after performing pretty well for two awful teams. The team will lose out on a meaningful asset that could be used to address real issues for the team moving forward. And Granlund wouldn't be the first player that was disappointed in his team not moving him that would then affect the other players in that room.
Granlund is this team's best player until Celebrini gets back in the lineup but that doesn't change his contractual situation. It doesn't change the team's priorities moving forward. It doesn't change that this team is still very far off from being a competitive team and needs draft picks including in the range you think it would be in order to turn this thing around. Not trading expiring assets for draft picks only delays the turnaround further. No help is gained by keeping him to finish the most meaningless games of the season that the team will absolutely lag on because it's human nature. Granlund isn't changing that. No one is.
I think Carolina could be a good fit given their center situation behind Aho, and they like 2-way players, which Granlund definitely is...something like Orlov + Carolina 1st for Granlund I could get behind.
Patty Ice
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I'd shoot for Scott Morrow. I think he will make a nice 2nd pairing RHD.
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Porter Martone would absolutely lock this future top 6 up. Would be such a pain in the ass for other teams and probably would be a monster when playoffs start. It's him or a top defencemen that would help tremendously with building a powerhouse of the future.
Grinner
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Baritone for Martone
That's right. I'm singing his praises.
That's right. I'm singing his praises.
matt trick
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Locked on NHL prospects had a good podcast today covering the top 5. They gave stylistic (not projection) comparable for 4 of their top 5- believe they didn't give comparable for Schaefer as they want him to recover from mono first.
Hagens- Jack Hughes, less dynamic, far better two ways
Misa- Celibrini/Hischier as a goal-scoring two way center with speed and commitment to playing the right way
McQueen- Byfield
Martone- better skating Corey Perry, said he's less physical than Misa though so I'll take that with a grain of salt.
I'm really liking Misa, but Martone is my top choice I think. It'll be interesting to see if Hagens picks it up, if Misa keeps it up and Schaefer projects. Don't know that you can pick wrong.
Hagens- Jack Hughes, less dynamic, far better two ways
Misa- Celibrini/Hischier as a goal-scoring two way center with speed and commitment to playing the right way
McQueen- Byfield
Martone- better skating Corey Perry, said he's less physical than Misa though so I'll take that with a grain of salt.
I'm really liking Misa, but Martone is my top choice I think. It'll be interesting to see if Hagens picks it up, if Misa keeps it up and Schaefer projects. Don't know that you can pick wrong.
Juxtaposer
Outro: Divina Comedia
Misa is physical in the way that Eklund is physical, but in a taller frame. He is good and I certainly wouldn't be upset to get him (Eklund-Celebrini-Misa would be the quickest, pace-iest line in the league) but I confess that he doesn't get me as excited as Martone does. But he's really good and deserves tot be in the Hagens/Martone/Schaefer group more than McQueen IMO.
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Currently (still very early) it definitely feels like there is a “big 4” emerging this draft and I honestly would be very happy with any of Hagens/Martone/Schaefer/Misa (my personal current order). I hope we can guarantee a top 4 pick by the end of the season.
Mckenna and martone are projected by button at tsn to be on the same line for the world jrs.
So 2 potential shark picks playing together.
So 2 potential shark picks playing together.
vortexy
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Schaefer with his first "big night" since returning from mono, 2 goals and 2 assists. Now has 8 points in 6 games
Skeksis25
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I know that if we finish last again this year, I'll be way less nervous about the lottery than I was last year. Feels like there will be 4-5 guys near the top of the draft and we would be happy to get any of them. No one is a surefire #1 overall like Celebrini, but all of them are great prospects.
Just need to make sure we don't accidentally win too much to end up picking 5 or 6. Its the biggest reason I'm on team Trade Granlund.
Just need to make sure we don't accidentally win too much to end up picking 5 or 6. Its the biggest reason I'm on team Trade Granlund.
matt trick
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Impressive! For reference Parekh was about 1.5 ppg and Dickinson 1.0 ppg. If Schaefer ends up around 1.3 ppg while continuing strong defensive play in a 6'2 frame with his mobility, that'll certainly be worth of a top 5 pick. It's rather unusual to go north of 1.2 PPG as a draft eligible OHL guy- Parekh, Bouchard, and DeAngelo in the past 11 years.
Of course, some guys have played more OHL seasons in their draft year, while teammate skill, coaching style, and prime PP opportunities all play major roles in production.
Top scoring 1st round draft eligible OHL d-men:
2024: 7th overall Parekh (1.5 ppg), 11th overall Dickinson (1.0 ppg), 31st overall Danford (.5 ppg)
2023: 22nd overall Bonk (.6 ppg)
2022: 10th overall Mintyukov (.9 ppg)
2021: 8th overall Clarke (1.1 PPG in D+1 year, no D0 year), 31st overall Mallioux (.75 PPG in D+1 year, no D0 year)
2020: 6th overall Drysdale (1.0 ppg)
2019: 18th overall Harley (.85 ppg)
2018: 10th overall Bouchard (1.3 ppg), 21st overall Merkley (1.1 ppg)
2017: 32nd overall Timmins (.9 ppg)
2016: 9th overall Sergachev (.85 ppg), 16th overall Chychrun (.8 ppg), 18th overall Stanley (.25 ppg)
2015: None
2014 1st overall Ekblad (.9 ppg), 19th overall DeAngelo (1.4 ppg)
Net net, as a team lacking a #1 d-man of the future, Schaefer definitely bares watching. I'd love for Martone or Schaefer to be the BPA available when we pick, but if it is Misa or Hagens, that's cool too.
Juxtaposer
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As much as I like Martone, wingers are always available at the top of the draft. Schaefer's my guy, go get him, then finish off the rebuild with a top winger next year.
