2025 HHOF predictions

[carjackmalone]

No one’s had 60 goals with two different teams

Bure scores at least 59 between Van and Florida four times though

 

[Giotrapani91]

They really only changed the rule so they could induct Pronger, for whatever reason the committee didn't want to make him wait.

It's a really dumb rule.

Shea Weber wasn't first ballot In my opinion.

I think it's somewhat the other way around : they didn't want players who are obvious retirees due to health reasons to announce their retirement early -- thus terminating their contract -- only to make it to the HHOF.

It also helped that Pronger was a super obvious HHOF'er. Things may have been different if the first instance where the question would've been with Shea Weber (who was ... maybe an obvious HHOFer, but definitely not a super-obvious HHOFer like Pronger).

 

[Voight]

It's a really dumb rule.

Shea Weber wasn't first ballot In my opinion.

From about 2010-2015 he was a top 5 defenseman. Thats a HHOF in anyones book. He was robbed of a Norris in 2011 and in 2012 lost one of the closet votes in history. Honestly, had he spent his best years playing for a bigger market/more popular team, he'd of won a Norris.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

No one’s had 60 goals with two different teams

Bure scores at least 59 between Van and Florida four times though

after bure, mogilny is the only player to ever score 55 with two different teams right? gretzky and jagr each peaked at 54 with their later teams.

and doing this off the top of my head, without looking it up, players with 40 goals with three different teams:

mogilny (buffalo, vancouver, new jersey)
larouche (pittsburgh, montreal, rangers)
shanahan (st louis, hartford, detroit)
mullen (st louis, calgary, pittsburgh)
mahovlich (toronto, detroit, montreal)
hossa (ottawa, atlanta, detroit)
ciccarelli (minnesota, washington, detroit)
verbeek (new jersey, hartford, rangers)

who am i forgetting? one guy i thought about, wilf paiement, had 40 for colorado and toronto, but just missed with 39 in quebec. heatley also just misses with 39 in san jose.

 

[MadLuke]

Hull was 39-37 with Dal-DET so not even him. Dionne 31 with the Rangers, Espo not close on the Hawks, Gartner 35 with Toronto, Tkachuck 38 with STL, Turgeon 38 with MTL...

But those type of stat always have some, why are you moving around so much during your prime type of feeling... (if it was not absurdly long)

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

Gartner 35 with Toronto

steve thomas is another 35 with toronto, 40 with two other teams (chicago and the islanders), which is weird to me because i feel like he’s most remembered as a leaf

 

[Giotrapani91]

after bure, mogilny is the only player to ever score 55 with two different teams right? gretzky and jagr each peaked at 54 with their later teams.

and doing this off the top of my head, without looking it up, players with 40 goals with three different teams:

mogilny (buffalo, vancouver, new jersey)
larouche (pittsburgh, montreal, rangers)
shanahan (st louis, hartford, detroit)
mullen (st louis, calgary, pittsburgh)
mahovlich (toronto, detroit, montreal)
hossa (ottawa, atlanta, detroit)
ciccarelli (minnesota, washington, detroit)
verbeek (new jersey, hartford, rangers)

who am i forgetting? one guy i thought about, wilf paiement, had 40 for colorado and toronto, but just missed with 39 in quebec. heatley also just misses with 39 in san jose.

I don't think pat verbeek would be a bad inductee, 522 goals 540 assists 1062 points and 2900 penalty minutes that's not a bad career if you ask me.

 

[The Panther]

after bure, mogilny is the only player to ever score 55 with two different teams right? gretzky and jagr each peaked at 54 with their later teams.

I wouldn't get too excited about this. It's just a result of being goal-scorers in the 1990s when everyone was changing clubs every two years.

 

[Giotrapani91]

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I wouldn't get too excited about this. It's just a result of being goal-scorers in the 1990s when everyone was changing clubs every two yemogilny hit 50 plus goals what like 4 or 5 times.

 

[Giotrapani91]

I wouldn't get too excited about this. It's just a result of being goal-scorers in the 1990s when everyone was changing clubs every two years.

Mogilny hit 50 plus goals like what 4 or 5 times in his prime he was good while in his prime I think he had a better prime than the bure brothers.

 

[MadLuke]

Mogilny hit 50 plus goals like what 4 or 5 times in his prime

2 time, 1993 and 1996.

 

[DitchMarner]

I don't think pat verbeek would be a bad inductee, 522 goals 540 assists 1062 points and 2900 penalty minutes that's not a bad career if you ask me.

How many times was he a top 20 scorer? Maybe two?

He was a good player, but I don't think he's that much better than a guy like Whitney.

 

[DitchMarner]

2 time, 1993 and 1996.

If he had four or five 50 goal seasons, he would absolutely be in the Hall by now considering his talent level, 1000+ point career, defection story etc.

 

[MadLuke]

How many times was he a top 20 scorer? Maybe two?

Maybe zero, but a bunch of 25 to 40 finish ?

during his prime of 88 to 96 he was
#22 in points
#10 in goals
#9 among forwards in PIM
#45 in ppg (400 games or more played)
#91 in playoff goals

Would he have played in the 1996 world cup and not just made the team or been on the 1994 rangers instead of just after.

Timing was not great, arrive on the rangers in 1995, Detroit in 00 and 01 not 02.

Cup with the stars, but bottom 6 forward on the very loaded Stars, specially on the right wing, hard to see him ahead of the Damphousse, Brind'amour, Fleury, Eric Staal type, could end up in has 500g-1000 pts are a bit of nice magic numbers, combined with the high energy, physical, sometime glove dropping player, but would have to wait quite a bit.

 

[DitchMarner]

Maybe zero, but a bunch of 25 to 40 finish ?

during his prime of 88 to 96 he was
#22 in points
#10 in goals
#9 among forwards in PIM
#45 in ppg (400 games or more played)
#91 in playoff goals

Would he have played in the 1996 world cup and not just made the team or been on the 1994 rangers instead of just after.

Timing was not great, arrive on the rangers in 1995, Detroit in 00 and 01 not 02.

Cup with the stars, bottom 6 forward on the very loaded Stars), hard to see him ahead of the Damphousse, Brind'amour, Fleury, Eric Staal type, could end up has 500g-1000 pts are a bit of nice magic numbers, combined with the high energy, physical glove dropping player, but would have to wait quite a bit.

I think they'd genuinely be lowering the bar if he was inducted.

When a guy like Mogilny is talked about as a potential HHOFer, I tend to say I don't necessarily want him to be inducted but wouldn't mind if he was because he wouldn't lower the bar or anything.

But Verbeek would probably open the door for guys like Dale Hunter - other tough/feisty players who racked up a lot of points over their careers.

I mean, I remember how poorly Andreychuk's induction was received on here, and he at least had a couple of 50+ and near 100 point seasons. Verbeek never even hit 90 points and had one season with more than 45 goals.

 

[MadArcand]

I think they'd genuinely be lowering the bar if he was inducted.

Well, Glenn Anderson is already in, so Verbeek can't really lower the bar. Not that I'm saying that Verbeek should be inducted either, though.

 

[The Panther]

Well, Glenn Anderson is already in, so Verbeek can't really lower the bar. Not that I'm saying that Verbeek should be inducted either, though.

I agree that in ideal, intelligent, etc. hockey world Glenn Anderson wouldn't be a Hall of Famer. However, it's rather uncharitable to compare him to Pat Verbeek.

First of all, just in regular season, Verbeek never scored 90 points, while Anderson scored 100 points three times (and another season at 99). Anderson scored 50+ goals twice, while Verbeek never did.

More importantly, however, Anderson was a heroic playoff scorer. He came up big in the playoffs in 1987 and 1990 (post-Gretzky, Coffey) on the biggest of stages, and people remember that -- as they should. Verbeek never scored more than 4 goals in a playoff run.

 

[MadArcand]

I agree that in ideal, intelligent, etc. hockey world Glenn Anderson wouldn't be a Hall of Famer. However, it's rather uncharitable to compare him to Pat Verbeek.

First of all, just in regular season, Verbeek never scored 90 points, while Anderson scored 100 points three times (and another season at 99). Anderson scored 50+ goals twice, while Verbeek never did.

More importantly, however, Anderson was a heroic playoff scorer. He came up big in the playoffs in 1987 and 1990 (post-Gretzky, Coffey) on the biggest of stages, and people remember that -- as they should. Verbeek never scored more than 4 goals in a playoff run.

Anderson was leeching off top-level HoFer centres on a dynasty, what did Verbeek really have?