Prospect Info: 2025 DRAFT Thread
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Boring, all-situations D that plays 20+ minutes and can complement a more aggressive LD partner on 1st or 2nd pair, or form a good shut-down pair with defensive D. Regular on PK1 and could quarterback PP2.
Depends on the proposal but yes, I'd be very interested to trade up for Mrtka.
I'd be curious to see Cam's mock if he ever does those. McQueen is the most gifted forward of the class and I agree he has all-star upside but the % of his development not being set back by injuries might be lower than 25.
I haven't seen many of his games in Sweden, but in U18s he was rather invisible most of the time. Puck skills, skating, playmaking and intensity level didn't indicate he's a high-end offensive talent. Most impressive quality for me was defensive positioning, he looked good at breaking up zone entries and being defensive support player in corner battles. He's got intelligence and strength to make right plays in those type of situations in offensive zone too. You can tell he's played against men.
But in terms of overall skillset and hockey sense, I don't know if he'll be more than a low-event middle-6 forward who may help at keeping pucks out of the net but doesn't get under the opponent's skin or contribute much offensively, especially if he isn't playing someone actually capable of carrying a line.
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We need scoring? On the wing? Dunno 'bout that
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Pronman’s first mock has CBJ taking:
#14: LHD Cameron Reid (also sees Jackson Smith who is available at this point in his mock, so agree with Wheels).
#20: G Joshua Ravensbergen. Says with two first rounders the CBJ can afford to take a swing at big goalie with high upside.
#14: LHD Cameron Reid (also sees Jackson Smith who is available at this point in his mock, so agree with Wheels).
#20: G Joshua Ravensbergen. Says with two first rounders the CBJ can afford to take a swing at big goalie with high upside.
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Wheels and Pronman both have Frondell at 3 to Chicago. That’s a huge difference.
Yeah but that's my own ranking whereas they're doing mocks. And whether they're personal lists or mock drafts, lists are going to look different as long as history keeps repeating itself. Below are three top-10 rankings for 2022 (row A) and 2023 (row B) draft, you can try and guess which 2022 and 2023 list are mine, which Wheeler's and which Pronman's:
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| A | 1. Wright 2. Nemec 3. Cooley 4. Savoie 5. Slafkovsky 6. Jiricek 7. Kemell 8. Lambert 9. Lekkerimaki 10. Howard | 1. Nemec 2. Slafkovsky 3. Wright 4. Cooley 5. Jiricek 6. Mateychuk 7. Gauthier 8. Nazar 9. Mintyukov 10. Kasper | 1. Slafkovsky 2. Wright 3. Cooley 4. Jiricek 5. Nemec 6. Gauthier 7. Kemell 8. Savoie 9. Kasper 10. Yurov |
| B | 1. Bedard 2. Carlsson 3. Fantilli 4. Honzek 5. Benson 6. Willander 7. But 8. Michkov 9. Reinbacher 10. Smith | 1. Bedard 2. Fantilli 3. Michkov 4. Carlsson 5. Smith 6. Reinbacher 7. Danielson 8. Dvorsky 9. But 10. Simashev | 1. Bedard 2. Michkov 3. Fantilli 4. Carlsson 5. Smith 6. Benson 7. Perreault 8. Dvorsky 9. Moore 10. Wood |
Mine: A2 and B1
Wheeler: A1 and B3
Pronman: A3 and B2
Wheeler: A1 and B3
Pronman: A3 and B2
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Ha, I guessed both of yours. You damn Mateychuk homer. I also remembered a couple folks here being pretty high on Honzek so assumed that was you as well.
There's no need for a spoiler on Wheeler, just look for whoever puts small players like Savoie, Kemell, Lekkerimaki, and Howard far higher than they should be.
I think it's interesting you didn't have any of those guys in your top ten, but you did have Frank Nazar, who now looks more promising than any of them. What did you think the difference was?
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Considering DW had mentioned that offer sheets are indeed on the table as long as it makes the team better in the long run. With the new offer sheet table just announced, what is the likeliness that we chase an RFA such as Dobson? Great first pairing RHD?
I personally don't see us taking both picks in the first round with how deep our pipeline already is. Although it is a possibility for DW to decide to just keep it and run with the 2 first rounders.
I personally don't see us taking both picks in the first round with how deep our pipeline already is. Although it is a possibility for DW to decide to just keep it and run with the 2 first rounders.
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Not sure if you were equating having two firsts this year with having an impact on an offer sheet for Dobson, but I would think if Dobson were to be a target the CBJ would first approach with a trade that would include this year's first round picks to avoid 4 future 1sts, because that's likely the only offer sheet that would pull dobson. The trade route is always preferred (and less costly), and having two firsts and enough in the pipeline to support it would make potential sense.
Not sure he's the target, but I would certainly support that type of move to bring him to the CBJ. Would fit the core and move to RD-1 immediately. Still have the struggle of how to handle the other high dollar RHD on the roster, especially if they re-sign Fabbro...
I agree, a hockey trade would make more sense. Just with the new offer sheet tiers just announced it got me wondering about the possibility of an offer sheet in the event that a trade doesn't work out. Off the top of my head I can't think of a realistic trade for dobson where we aren't overpaying in some way. I don't really know much about the islanders pipeline so I'm just shooting to shoot.
How big of a contract would dobson be looking for? I feel like a max for me would be 7mil. With the new offer sheet tiers apparently that would only cost this years 1st and 3rd. Leaving us with minni's #20 to still pick a late first rounder.
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Well, they don't really have a pipeline so not much to know. Lou has been trading futures for veterans for years and there is a reason they have had a bottom five pipeline for quite a few years now. The trade for Calum Ritchie as a near future top six forward (likely 2nd line) was nice, Cole Eiserman needs to become the pure goal scorer they drafted him to be and obviously Matthew Schaefer projects as a 1D but basically they need everything.
Dobson's numbers were down this year compared to the last two. Was it him or was it just the team being bad I have no idea. No idea where his value is at and he was already making $4M. Not sure what a long term deal pays him but I am sure many teams think this was just a down year for him and that he will bounce back. But how much do you commit to a guy who needs a bounce back season?
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If you're going after a RFA, you're going for 7 years or a cap strapped team with a one year super high deal. If a team goes 7 years, remember that the CAP value is based on a 5 year CAP average over the contract proposal. So a 7 x $7M is $49M. Divide that by 5 and it's basically a $10M CAP hit for the compensation calculation. That's why it's rare to hit these and with the CAP going up most teams may not be in that bad a spot. A few will...but not the Islanders. They'll likely match
I think Dobson would benefit if he were to move to a team already on the way to finishing their rebuild naturally. I'm probably wrong and Schaefer - Dobson pairing might be the future 1D's of NYI. They've been in and out of the playoffs alot the past 10 years. All over the place. I wonder if they'll commit to the full rebuild with a clean house in management.
Dobson would probably love playing in Evason's system but I don't think he's the type of guy to really fix our biggest issue on the backend
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Reading the Isles thread, they are not so enamored with his defensive ability and think he is asking for $9M AAV. I am sure they are more in tune with his situation than we are.
I think it came down to hockey sense, or more specifically decisions with the puck. I thought Cooley (#4), Nazar (#8) and Ostlund (#11) were best of the sub-6' forwards at operating in high-traffic areas with limited time, and strong or elusive enough to make up for disadvantage in size. I had Savoie and Lekkerimaki in late teens, Kemell and Firkus in 20's, and Howard and Mesar in 30's.
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