Prospect Info: 2025 DRAFT Thread

[GoJackets1]

If the draft was held today my final top-21 would be pretty close to this:

1. Schaefer
2. Misa
3. Mrtka
4. Martone
5. Martin
6. Hagens
7. McQueen
8. Smith
9. Hensler
10. Desnoyers
11. Eklund
12. O'Brien
13. Frondell
14. Bear
15. Lakovic
16. Boumedienne
17. Carbonneau
18. Spence
19. Aitcheson
20. Zonnon
21. Potter

It's likely going to change a bit as I'll watch more shift-by-shifts next month. I need to get more viewings at least of Misa, Hagens, Eklund and Ryabkin.

Why Frondell so low?

 

[tunnelvision]

So you think we should aggressively try and move up if Mrtka makes it to the 8-10 range? Where do you see Mrtka topping out in his prime?

Cam Robinson was saying that team scouts suggested to him that McQueen could be a big big faller, in which case, we seem well placed to take a swing. We have so many young players already, I'm more interested in a 25% chance of getting an all-star than a 100% chance of a getting a mid-lineup player.

Brady Martin I would love but that feeling about him appears to be universal, it doesn't seem like he'll make it anywhere close to our pick.

Boring, all-situations D that plays 20+ minutes and can complement a more aggressive LD partner on 1st or 2nd pair, or form a good shut-down pair with defensive D. Regular on PK1 and could quarterback PP2.

Depends on the proposal but yes, I'd be very interested to trade up for Mrtka.

I'd be curious to see Cam's mock if he ever does those. McQueen is the most gifted forward of the class and I agree he has all-star upside but the % of his development not being set back by injuries might be lower than 25.

Why Frondell so low?

I haven't seen many of his games in Sweden, but in U18s he was rather invisible most of the time. Puck skills, skating, playmaking and intensity level didn't indicate he's a high-end offensive talent. Most impressive quality for me was defensive positioning, he looked good at breaking up zone entries and being defensive support player in corner battles. He's got intelligence and strength to make right plays in those type of situations in offensive zone too. You can tell he's played against men.

But in terms of overall skillset and hockey sense, I don't know if he'll be more than a low-event middle-6 forward who may help at keeping pucks out of the net but doesn't get under the opponent's skin or contribute much offensively, especially if he isn't playing someone actually capable of carrying a line.

 

[koteka]

I like Malcolm Spence. He just committed to Michigan so the chance we draft him just went up.

 

[majormajor]

I'd be curious to see Cam's mock if he ever does those.

I've seen some from him.

Cam and Chris Peters just did a mock together here:

 

[EspenK]

I've seen some from him.

Cam and Chris Peters just did a mock together here:

We need scoring? On the wing? Dunno 'bout that

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

We need scoring? On the wing? Dunno 'bout that

Because we traded KJ for defense…

*ducks*

 

[Doggy]

Pronman’s first mock has CBJ taking:

#14: LHD Cameron Reid (also sees Jackson Smith who is available at this point in his mock, so agree with Wheels).

#20: G Joshua Ravensbergen. Says with two first rounders the CBJ can afford to take a swing at big goalie with high upside.

 

[Doggy]

If the draft was held today my final top-21 would be pretty close to this:

1. Schaefer
2. Misa
3. Mrtka
4. Martone
5. Martin
6. Hagens
7. McQueen
8. Smith
9. Hensler
10. Desnoyers
11. Eklund
12. O'Brien
13. Frondell
14. Bear
15. Lakovic
16. Boumedienne
17. Carbonneau
18. Spence
19. Aitcheson
20. Zonnon
21. Potter

It's likely going to change a bit as I'll watch more shift-by-shifts next month. I need to get more viewings at least of Misa, Hagens, Eklund and Ryabkin.

Wheels and Pronman both have Frondell at 3 to Chicago. That’s a huge difference.

 

[tunnelvision]

Wheels and Pronman both have Frondell at 3 to Chicago. That’s a huge difference.

Yeah but that's my own ranking whereas they're doing mocks. And whether they're personal lists or mock drafts, lists are going to look different as long as history keeps repeating itself. Below are three top-10 rankings for 2022 (row A) and 2023 (row B) draft, you can try and guess which 2022 and 2023 list are mine, which Wheeler's and which Pronman's:

	1	2	3
A	1. Wright 2. Nemec 3. Cooley 4. Savoie 5. Slafkovsky 6. Jiricek 7. Kemell 8. Lambert 9. Lekkerimaki 10. Howard	1. Nemec 2. Slafkovsky 3. Wright 4. Cooley 5. Jiricek 6. Mateychuk 7. Gauthier 8. Nazar 9. Mintyukov 10. Kasper	1. Slafkovsky 2. Wright 3. Cooley 4. Jiricek 5. Nemec 6. Gauthier 7. Kemell 8. Savoie 9. Kasper 10. Yurov
B	1. Bedard 2. Carlsson 3. Fantilli 4. Honzek 5. Benson 6. Willander 7. But 8. Michkov 9. Reinbacher 10. Smith	1. Bedard 2. Fantilli 3. Michkov 4. Carlsson 5. Smith 6. Reinbacher 7. Danielson 8. Dvorsky 9. But 10. Simashev	1. Bedard 2. Michkov 3. Fantilli 4. Carlsson 5. Smith 6. Benson 7. Perreault 8. Dvorsky 9. Moore 10. Wood

Spoiler

Mine: A2 and B1
Wheeler: A1 and B3
Pronman: A3 and B2

 

[GoJackets1]

Yeah but that's my own ranking whereas they're doing mocks. And whether they're personal lists or mock drafts, lists are going to look different as long as history keeps repeating itself. Below are three top-10 rankings for 2022 (row A) and 2023 (row B) draft, you can try and guess which 2022 and 2023 list are mine, which Wheeler's and which Pronman's:

	1	2	3
A	1. Wright 2. Nemec 3. Cooley 4. Savoie 5. Slafkovsky 6. Jiricek 7. Kemell 8. Lambert 9. Lekkerimaki 10. Howard	1. Nemec 2. Slafkovsky 3. Wright 4. Cooley 5. Jiricek 6. Mateychuk 7. Gauthier 8. Nazar 9. Mintyukov 10. Kasper	1. Slafkovsky 2. Wright 3. Cooley 4. Jiricek 5. Nemec 6. Gauthier 7. Kemell 8. Savoie 9. Kasper 10. Yurov
B	1. Bedard 2. Carlsson 3. Fantilli 4. Honzek 5. Benson 6. Willander 7. But 8. Michkov 9. Reinbacher 10. Smith	1. Bedard 2. Fantilli 3. Michkov 4. Carlsson 5. Smith 6. Reinbacher 7. Danielson 8. Dvorsky 9. But 10. Simashev	1. Bedard 2. Michkov 3. Fantilli 4. Carlsson 5. Smith 6. Benson 7. Perreault 8. Dvorsky 9. Moore 10. Wood

Spoiler

Mine: A2 and B1
Wheeler: A1 and B3
Pronman: A3 and B2

Ha, I guessed both of yours. You damn Mateychuk homer. I also remembered a couple folks here being pretty high on Honzek so assumed that was you as well.

 

[majormajor]

Yeah but that's my own ranking whereas they're doing mocks. And whether they're personal lists or mock drafts, lists are going to look different as long as history keeps repeating itself. Below are three top-10 rankings for 2022 (row A) and 2023 (row B) draft, you can try and guess which 2022 and 2023 list are mine, which Wheeler's and which Pronman's:

	1	2	3
A	1. Wright 2. Nemec 3. Cooley 4. Savoie 5. Slafkovsky 6. Jiricek 7. Kemell 8. Lambert 9. Lekkerimaki 10. Howard	1. Nemec 2. Slafkovsky 3. Wright 4. Cooley 5. Jiricek 6. Mateychuk 7. Gauthier 8. Nazar 9. Mintyukov 10. Kasper	1. Slafkovsky 2. Wright 3. Cooley 4. Jiricek 5. Nemec 6. Gauthier 7. Kemell 8. Savoie 9. Kasper 10. Yurov
B	1. Bedard 2. Carlsson 3. Fantilli 4. Honzek 5. Benson 6. Willander 7. But 8. Michkov 9. Reinbacher 10. Smith	1. Bedard 2. Fantilli 3. Michkov 4. Carlsson 5. Smith 6. Reinbacher 7. Danielson 8. Dvorsky 9. But 10. Simashev	1. Bedard 2. Michkov 3. Fantilli 4. Carlsson 5. Smith 6. Benson 7. Perreault 8. Dvorsky 9. Moore 10. Wood

Spoiler

Mine: A2 and B1
Wheeler: A1 and B3
Pronman: A3 and B2

There's no need for a spoiler on Wheeler, just look for whoever puts small players like Savoie, Kemell, Lekkerimaki, and Howard far higher than they should be.

I think it's interesting you didn't have any of those guys in your top ten, but you did have Frank Nazar, who now looks more promising than any of them. What did you think the difference was?

 

[tjcourt6]

Considering DW had mentioned that offer sheets are indeed on the table as long as it makes the team better in the long run. With the new offer sheet table just announced, what is the likeliness that we chase an RFA such as Dobson? Great first pairing RHD?

I personally don't see us taking both picks in the first round with how deep our pipeline already is. Although it is a possibility for DW to decide to just keep it and run with the 2 first rounders.

 

[Xoggz22]

Considering DW had mentioned that offer sheets are indeed on the table as long as it makes the team better in the long run. With the new offer sheet table just announced, what is the likeliness that we chase an RFA such as Dobson? Great first pairing RHD?

I personally don't see us taking both picks in the first round with how deep our pipeline already is. Although it is a possibility for DW to decide to just keep it and run with the 2 first rounders.

Not sure if you were equating having two firsts this year with having an impact on an offer sheet for Dobson, but I would think if Dobson were to be a target the CBJ would first approach with a trade that would include this year's first round picks to avoid 4 future 1sts, because that's likely the only offer sheet that would pull dobson. The trade route is always preferred (and less costly), and having two firsts and enough in the pipeline to support it would make potential sense.

Not sure he's the target, but I would certainly support that type of move to bring him to the CBJ. Would fit the core and move to RD-1 immediately. Still have the struggle of how to handle the other high dollar RHD on the roster, especially if they re-sign Fabbro...

 

[tjcourt6]

Not sure if you were equating having two firsts this year with having an impact on an offer sheet for Dobson, but I would think if Dobson were to be a target the CBJ would first approach with a trade that would include this year's first round picks to avoid 4 future 1sts, because that's likely the only offer sheet that would pull dobson. The trade route is always preferred (and less costly), and having two firsts and enough in the pipeline to support it would make potential sense.

I agree, a hockey trade would make more sense. Just with the new offer sheet tiers just announced it got me wondering about the possibility of an offer sheet in the event that a trade doesn't work out. Off the top of my head I can't think of a realistic trade for dobson where we aren't overpaying in some way. I don't really know much about the islanders pipeline so I'm just shooting to shoot.

if Dobson were to be a target the CBJ would first approach with a trade that would include this year's first round picks to avoid 4 future 1sts, because that's likely the only offer sheet that would pull dobson.

How big of a contract would dobson be looking for? I feel like a max for me would be 7mil. With the new offer sheet tiers apparently that would only cost this years 1st and 3rd. Leaving us with minni's #20 to still pick a late first rounder.