Prospect Info: 2025 draft discussion

HisNoodliness

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This is starting to strike me as Yzermans year he drafted Drouin in Tampa. They were on the right track, the floor kinda fell out and then they ended up with a high pick, that in a roundabout way really helped the rebuild.

This years top 5 seems to be really strong. If the wings can sneak in there, they get a guy that can probably put this rebuild over the top. Theres several big centers, that have the skill and playstyle to fit what the wings are trying to do. Theres also high end skill they could add.

Draft Misa at 4th overall and let Ray tee him up for years. If you can get your hands on Martone, let him play with one of Kasper, Larkin or Danielson and watch other teams hate their life for 20 minutes a game.

McQueen, a 6'5 center that plays mean and can shoot? Its almost what Detroit needs to a tee
Yeah I'm hoping to can be like that last gasp of a lottery in Tampa to get Drouin/Sergachev. Or like Colorado getting Makar. Have a team that's on the right track, then with one final good draft get the piece that pushes you over the edge.
 

OldnotDeadWings

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Did it? I mean how do we know....?

Yeah, obviously we don't know. Not just for Detroit but other teams. Doesn't mean assessments aren't possible and I'm sure the Wings are happy with MBN. They wanted him in GR for a reason and he's having a good SHL season. We'll know more in a couple years.
 

AlwaysSunnyInDetroit

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This is starting to strike me as Yzermans year he drafted Drouin in Tampa. They were on the right track, the floor kinda fell out and then they ended up with a high pick, that in a roundabout way really helped the rebuild.

This years top 5 seems to be really strong. If the wings can sneak in there, they get a guy that can probably put this rebuild over the top. Theres several big centers, that have the skill and playstyle to fit what the wings are trying to do. Theres also high end skill they could add.

Draft Misa at 4th overall and let Ray tee him up for years. If you can get your hands on Martone, let him play with one of Kasper, Larkin or Danielson and watch other teams hate their life for 20 minutes a game.

McQueen, a 6'5 center that plays mean and can shoot? Its almost what Detroit needs to a tee
if we end up with 2 rasmussen's on the same roster i will seriously consider changing my username to ItsAlwaysShittyInDetroit
 

OgeeOgelthorpe

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Which ten? An close to what? 2018 or 2021 draft, or every draft?

I'm talking about the top 10 in 2025 being relatively close in talent. All the way from #1 to #10. Similar to 2021.

2021 draft it was up in the air if Beniers, Johnson, Power, Edvinsson or even Luke Hughes would be number one. You had late risers like McTavish that people were crazy about, and surprises like Johnston and Stankoven. A great goaltending battle for best in the draft.
2018 we knew Dahlin was the clear cut #1 and it was a battle from #2 to #5 between KK, Tkachuk, Zadina and Svech. Outside of maybe 3 forwards and 4 of the 5 defensemen drafted in the top 12 it was a putrid draft.

There will inevitably be busts in every draft, but I hypothesize that if we do a deeper dive into NHL drafts, you'd find a lot of drafts that were reported to be "bad" drafts due to a lack of a clear cut number one actually turning out better than expected.

i’ve watched a lot of mcqueen when danielson was on brandon. He’s not someone i would use a top 10 pick on

Agree. When I watched Brandon wheat kings vs Everett silvertips I wasn't very impressed by McQueen. A better junior skating Rasmussen is still a Rasmussen. That's the vibe I got.
 
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OldnotDeadWings

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He was and could in junior. McQueen would be a terrible pick.

Martone or Misa are what this team desperately needs.

Sure, no one is advocating McQueen over Misa and Martone. Problem is, without a top 3-4 pick they won't be available. And Ras was NOT a mean or intimidatingly physical player in Junior, he was just big. His shot was not a standout feature even then. I've only watched extended clips of McQueen from last season but his skating is pretty good, he's shifty, he can handle and he can shoot. He'll make a hit. Of course all clips are going to show only the best stuff, it's not enough to want to pick him, but worrying about him beng Ras.2 because of his height, junior position and league is pretty lame.

Here's some comments from Dobber, which has him at No.5 in early rankings. Other sources make similar comments.

"He is a very smooth-skating centre with elite offensive tools.

"He has exceptionally quick hands, which he uses to deftly exploit the spaces between defenders. He also has an excellent shot, capable of beating goalies cleanly when releasing off either foot,

"He has shown a willingness to play a physical game but lacks the necessary strength to make it an effective tool at this point.

"McQueen projects as a top-line centre at the next level, and the path to get there is fairly straightforward: build strength, refine his off-puck game, and improve consistency in the defensive end."

Take everything with a grain of salt, of course. No one knows for sure how he'll turn out. There won't be universal agreement about whoever the Wings select. Rest assured, if McQueen only skates as well as Ras, he won't be picked by the Wings.
 

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Sure, no one is advocating McQueen over Misa and Martone. Problem is, without a top 3-4 pick they won't be available. And Ras was NOT a mean or intimidatingly physical player in Junior, he was just big. His shot was not a standout feature even then. I've only watched extended clips of McQueen from last season but his skating is pretty good, he's shifty, he can handle and he can shoot. He'll make a hit. Of course all clips are going to show only the best stuff, it's not enough to want to pick him, but worrying about him beng Ras.2 because of his height, junior position and league is pretty lame.

Here's some comments from Dobber, which has him at No.5 in early rankings. Other sources make similar comments.

"He is a very smooth-skating centre with elite offensive tools.

"He has exceptionally quick hands, which he uses to deftly exploit the spaces between defenders. He also has an excellent shot, capable of beating goalies cleanly when releasing off either foot,

"He has shown a willingness to play a physical game but lacks the necessary strength to make it an effective tool at this point.

"McQueen projects as a top-line centre at the next level, and the path to get there is fairly straightforward: build strength, refine his off-puck game, and improve consistency in the defensive end."

Take everything with a grain of salt, of course. No one knows for sure how he'll turn out. There won't be universal agreement about whoever the Wings select. Rest assured, if McQueen only skates as well as Ras, he won't be picked by the Wings.
Here are some Ras quotes from his draft year:
"Skilled big man w/the size that scouts fawn over & the best is yet to come from him."
""He knows how to use his 6-foot-6, 215-pound frame to his fullest advantage. "
"A big kid with strong puck protection skills. Works hard all over the ice and has good playmaking skills. Uses his good vision and passing skills to distribute the puck effectively. "
 
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Here are some Ras quotes from his draft year:
"Skilled big man w/the size that scouts fawn over & the best is yet to come from him."
""He knows how to use his 6-foot-6, 215-pound frame to his fullest advantage. "
"A big kid with strong puck protection skills. Works hard all over the ice and has good playmaking skills. Uses his good vision and passing skills to distribute the puck effectively. "
Nailed it, just ask Jack.
 
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OldnotDeadWings

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Here are some Ras quotes from his draft year:
"Skilled big man w/the size that scouts fawn over & the best is yet to come from him."
""He knows how to use his 6-foot-6, 215-pound frame to his fullest advantage. "
"A big kid with strong puck protection skills. Works hard all over the ice and has good playmaking skills. Uses his good vision and passing skills to distribute the puck effectively. "

Naturally there are positive comments about Ras, he was a first-round pick. But I would say these comments and those about McQueen are quite different and they don't look like similar players as Juniors. McQueen is quite skinny, by comparison, not the same physical force along boards or in front of net, and his standout feature IMO is the quality of his hands, which shows up in his puck-handling and shot release.
 

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Draft Misa at 4th overall and let Ray tee him up for years. If you can get your hands on Martone, let him play with one of Kasper, Larkin or Danielson and watch other teams hate their life for 20 minutes a game.
Do you view Misa as a center? I've seen some prospect coverage that suggests he'll play on the wing, but it was just some rando on the internet who suggested this.
 
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Not sure Frondell is at the level of the other 4. Feels like the drop off is at 4, not 5.
I'd agree he's not on par, he's not tracking aswell as the others.

But he's got one of the higher upsides in the draft, injuries are a concern though. Very interesting tools.
 

Frk It

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McQueen is absolutely nothing like Ras. He is far more like Dach at that age.
What is with his assist production then? Pretty underwhelming if he is indeed supposed to be a player like Dach was.

I am not going to have much of a chance to watch this class so I’m just looking at their production for now.

Also curious why Frondell has not produced more at the J20 level. I had pretty high expectations for him going into this year.
 

OldnotDeadWings

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Dach is a better comp for sure. There aren't many guys that tall so it's a bit difficult with McQueen. Other than being a bit taller and playing C rather than the wing, McQueen reminds me of Sennecke. He has a similar undeveloped body, skating that needs a bit more giddy-up and very good hands.
 

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I'd agree he's not on par, he's not tracking aswell as the others.

But he's got one of the higher upsides in the draft, injuries are a concern though. Very interesting tools.

Oh I still like the kid and would probably take him at 5 or 6, I just don’t think he’s quite at the other guys level.
 

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No clue how you guys have McQueen over Caleb desoyners. And I’m sure some defenseman will rise through it the year too. If we end up picking like 7-8 there could be some good talent there. But honestly I hope we just stink it up if we are going to be bad, I don’t wanna be mediocre. I wanna be terrible so we can get Lalonde and these bad contracts out of here along with a top 5 pick.
 

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Martone or Misa are what this team desperately needs.
Well ya, but its probably going to take a lottery win to do it. The wings have more talent than your typical bottom 4 team, and I think they're better team than every team below them in the standings and probably finish higher than a couple ahead of them too. Might as well talk about the 5-10 range as well
Here are some Ras quotes from his draft year:
"Skilled big man w/the size that scouts fawn over & the best is yet to come from him."
""He knows how to use his 6-foot-6, 215-pound frame to his fullest advantage. "
"A big kid with strong puck protection skills. Works hard all over the ice and has good playmaking skills. Uses his good vision and passing skills to distribute the puck effectively. "

Ras was a top 10 pick, has made the NHL at a young age and is going on 400 games played before the age of 26. He's also actually be a pretty effective goal scorer for where he plays in the lineup and mostly at even strength. So people acting like if a tall prospect has anything similar to Rasmussen in their scouting report is a bad thing is actually kinda weird.

With that being said, McQueens best qualities are his hands and his shot. You wont find people saying that in their reports about Rasmussen at all. If he was 6'2 instead of 6'5", no one in here would even think of that comparison.

Do you view Misa as a center? I've seen some prospect coverage that suggests he'll play on the wing, but it was just some rando on the internet who suggested this.

Misa I view as a center for sure. Some people talk like he's some little skilled guy that will get overpowered at higher levels, but he's 6'1, 185+ lbs and strong. No team is taking him thinking they're getting a winger. SOmething would have to go wrong in development or the team would have to be stacked at center for him to play wing

No clue how you guys have McQueen over Caleb desoyners. And I’m sure some defenseman will rise through it the year too. If we end up picking like 7-8 there could be some good talent there. But honestly I hope we just stink it up if we are going to be bad, I don’t wanna be mediocre. I wanna be terrible so we can get Lalonde and these bad contracts out of here along with a top 5 pick.
I don't know if people are ranking him above Desnoyers, I think he's just being talked about because he'll be in the wings range of pick probably.

Desnoyer looked good at the u18s, but I worry about a guy that probably needs to gain 20 pounds and is already considered an iffy skater
 
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Rzombo4 prez

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What is with his assist production then? Pretty underwhelming if he is indeed supposed to be a player like Dach was.

I am not going to have much of a chance to watch this class so I’m just looking at their production for now.

Also curious why Frondell has not produced more at the J20 level. I had pretty high expectations for him going into this year.
I am not sure he is the playmaker that Dach was at that age, but he moves far better with the puck than Ras did making him a superior transporter of it and much more effective in the neutral zone. I think a big part of this is his ability to move laterally while in possession of the puck (something that Ras has never done well). Just with the eyes, he does not remind me of Ras at that age. I think he has far superior puck skills (quicker hands, smoother in execution, and more in sync with what the rest of his body is doing) and is also a better skater.

I think he probably belongs between 5 and 10 in this draft class. His injuries give me a ton of pause though.

 
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Well ya, but its probably going to take a lottery win to do it. The wings have more talent than your typical bottom 4 team, and I think they're better team than every team below them in the standings and probably finish higher than a couple ahead of them too. Might as well talk about the 5-10 range as well
Agreed that talking about all these guys is valuable, but our defense and PK say differently about our talent level. Plus our secondary offense is mostly Copp empty-netters. We're a lot worse than I think most want to admit, which definitely looks bad on Yzerman and Lalonde both.
 

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