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2025-26 Hart Memorial Trophy finalists: Connor McDavid, Nikita Kucherov, Nathan MacKinnon (upd: Kucherov wins 2nd) Mod Warning in OP

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JackSlater said:
The guys who vote for this are not experts, it's not that serious. That said... that Caufield vote is pretty funny.
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The standards should be hiring from these voters, though. These awards are always talked about as prestigious when discussing a player's legacy ("oh look how many Harts/Norris/Vezinas this guy won"), so the criteria and people voting for them should be held to a high standard.

Letting some random schmuck who knows less about the game than you, I, or most other HF posters vote on these kind of diminishes the prestige of the awards, IMO.

That's like having a vote for Miss Universe and allowing blind people to vote on it.
 
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Sidney the Kidney said:
The standards should be hiring from these voters, though. These awards are always talked about as prestigious when discussing a player's legacy ("oh look how many Harts/Norris/Vezinas this guy won"), so the criteria and people voting for them should be held to a high standard.

Letting some random schmuck who knows less about the game than you, I, or most other HF posters vote on these kind of diminishes the prestige of the awards, IMO.

That's like having a vote for Miss Universe and allowing blind people to vote on it.
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That's the thing though, it's more on people for overrating the significance of these awards. We have access to so much information and basically every game, no one should need the voting results of these random media guys to form their opinions. I also expect that even if you brought in actual experts people would rage about the results because it wouldn't always be what they expected.

Anyone taking these seriously should have stopped when the voters couldn't even get Ovechkin's position right in all star voting in 2013, and then in an even more baffling result the NHL allowed him to be a post season all star at both wing positions. Then again just reading the list of voters should be evidence enough.
 
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Sidney the Kidney said:
The standards should be hiring from these voters, though. These awards are always talked about as prestigious when discussing a player's legacy ("oh look how many Harts/Norris/Vezinas this guy won"), so the criteria and people voting for them should be held to a high standard.

Letting some random schmuck who knows less about the game than you, I, or most other HF posters vote on these kind of diminishes the prestige of the awards, IMO.

That's like having a vote for Miss Universe and allowing blind people to vote on it.
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The internet has essentially ruined any sense of prestige for journalists. I actually doubt that he believes Caufield was the second more valuable player. But how many people here have now seen his tweet?
 
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Regal said:
The internet has essentially ruined any sense of prestige for journalists. I actually doubt that he believes Caufield was the second more valuable player. But how many people here have now seen his tweet?
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Even with this bad ballot, the right guy did win. IMO.
 
Perfect_Drug said:
I spoke to an ESPN broadcasters who votes on these awards (we all work under the same Warner Bros umbrella, and I was onboarded with couple of them).

They don't watch any non-local games. They just go fully off of narrative, and nothing else. They don't even look at stats. Heck, a number of them peruse these boards, and twitter, and reddit to guage narratives, they talk amonst each other, and that's more or less how they vote.
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Not surprising actually
 
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CDN24 said:
I suspect the person who voted suzuki no 1 had Mcdavid on his ballot too so its not plus 10. may be as little as plus 3 if conner was 2nd
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He had basically the Top-5 in the right order (after Suzuki).

I suspect his reasoning was : Okay, we have the best two-way player in the league (according to Selke voting) who put up 100 pts, becoming the first Selke winner to do so in 30 years. That's... probably worth voting him first over the three skaters who already won the award who didn't even have their best season (and a guy whose team didn't make the playoffs).

That's not a great reasoning, but I get it.
 
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Plastic Joseph said:
I dont think its voter fatigue, I think it was really a toss up and the votes reflect that. A 3 way toss up at that. Mcdavid didnt separate himself enough to be the standout favourite IMO. If Kucherov didn't miss time he would've won the AR and been the easy favourite.

Even with his missed time, he was able to be close enough in pts that it was a wash.

Edit - Also, RIP to the "anti Kucherov/Russian voter bias" narrative.
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he did stand out though he put up 28 pts in the 17 games Leon missed to end the year And keep the team in the playoffs.
 
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