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2025-26 Hart Memorial Trophy finalists: Connor McDavid, Nikita Kucherov, Nathan MacKinnon (upd: Kucherov wins 2nd) Mod Warning in OP

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mel13666 said:
And again, an incorrect statement. In the 2018-19 season, Kucherov also had more points per game: 1.56 versus 1.49. Furthermore, if you analyze empty-net points and how players scored them in previous and subsequent seasons, it becomes clear that it's not Kucherov who has an abnormally high number of empty-net points, but McDavid who has an abnormally low number in these seasons. In both the seasons before and after, he typically scored at least twice as many. For example, this year, McDavid has the most empty-net points, a whopping 13. The same as Mr. Empty-Net MacKinnon.
Furthermore, if you look at the top five empty-net points for 2023-26, four Tampa Bay players are listed.
It's becoming clear that it's not Kucherov who's scoring, but Cooper's unique 5-on-6 system.
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23-24 and 24-25 weren't though. you can hang your hat on empty nets but they aren't relevant when rating a player's offensive capabilities and production
 
daver said:
The Oilers had two 90 point scorers. How did he carry them more than Kucherov carried the Bolts?

Maybe if he, and the Oilers, got off to a better start or had a winning streak more than three games, they would not have been scrambling just to make the playoffs in a weak division.

That being said, he could have won the Hart but not the Lindsay. I think it was backwards.
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Without McDavid, the Oilers are a lottery team. TB would miss the playoffs without Kucherov this year but I don't think they are a lottery team.
 
ManofSteel55 said:
Without McDavid, the Oilers are a lottery team. TB would miss the playoffs without Kucherov this year but I don't think they are a lottery team.
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Did McDavid clearly bring more value to his team? The best player in a season always brings the most value to his team regardless of whether that makes them a President's Trophy winner, or just a playoff team.

If Kucherov hadn't missed any games, I think he definitely brought the most value albeit it would be close.
 
I think McDavid should have won it this season, but either Kucherov or MacKinnon are great candidates on teams that did much better than the Oilers this season and that counts for something.
 
Ghost of Murph said:
Not many sports journalists are mental heavyweights. Those 3 voters either don't take their vote seriously, are playing game with their vote, or are completely stupid.

Congrats to Kucherov. Wasn't my top choice for the award, but just my opinion. Would have been fine with any of the finalists winning it.
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I spoke to an ESPN broadcasters who votes on these awards (we all work under the same Warner Bros umbrella, and I was onboarded with couple of them).

They don't watch any non-local games. They just go fully off of narrative, and nothing else. They don't even look at stats. Heck, a number of them peruse these boards, and twitter, and reddit to guage narratives, they talk amonst each other, and that's more or less how they vote.
 
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superstars said:
the case presented is extremely sensible, empty net points do not matter in Player A vs Player B discussions beyond the # of Ross/Rocket wins they have. Kucherov only out-ppg'd McDavid during 23-25 due to scoring an exorbitant number of empty nets, 25-26 was the first year where he did without. and it was an insane season, no doubt
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daver said:
The Oilers had two 90 point scorers. How did he carry them more than Kucherov carried the Bolts?

Maybe if he, and the Oilers, got off to a better start or had a winning streak more than three games, they would not have been scrambling just to make the playoffs in a weak division.

That being said, he could have won the Hart but not the Lindsay. I think it was backwards.
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Just going to jump in to say that ppg or anything "per game" is completely irrelevant to a single season award.

It's not who would you take for a game tomorrow, a game 7 in the playoffs or next season. Or who would have lead the league if they had a few more games to play. It's who performed the best this season, and every game missed scores a zero.
 
Close race, always confused me why most value the Hart over the Lindsay.

I think being voted best by your piers would be considered a higher honour than random execs and media members.
 
Frank the Tank said:
So Kucherov was voted by the PHWA to be most valuable to his team, where he has both the goalie and coach voted to be the best in the NHL supporting him.

In contrast, McDavid is the most outstanding player voted by his peers, but not the most valuable to his team. Yet according to HFBoards and award voters he props up Bouchard, Draisaitl, and Knoblauch.

None of this makes sense.
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Statistically it does
 
Coin flip for Hart went to Kucherov, McDavid was equally deserving. Some voters probably felt he should have won it in 2024, in a similarly close race, so gave it to him.

Aside from several egregious votes being cast, no one should be outraged by this result.
 
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daver said:
Did McDavid clearly bring more value to his team? The best player in a season always brings the most value to his team regardless of whether that makes them a President's Trophy winner, or just a playoff team.

If Kucherov hadn't missed any games, I think he definitely brought the most value albeit it would be close.
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I think McDavid did bring the most value to his team, yes.
 
Independent of this year's Hart race, whose career/trophy case are you taking?

Kucherov
2x Stanley Cup
2x Hart
2x Ted Lindsay
3x Art Ross

MacKinnon
1x Stanley Cup
1x Ted Lindsay
1x Rocket Richard
1x Calder
1x Lady Byng

McDavid
0x Stanley Cup
3x Hart
6x Art Ross
5x Ted Lindsay
1x Rocket Richard
1x Conn Smythe
 
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atlanticobserver said:
Independent of this year's Hart race, whose career/trophy case are you taking?

Kucherov
2x Stanley Cup
2x Hart
2x Ted Lindsay
3x Art Ross

MacKinnon
1x Stanley Cup
1x Ted Lindsay
1x Rocket Richard
1x Calder
1x Lady Byng

McDavid
0x Stanley Cup
3x Hart
5x Ted Lindsay
1x Rocket Richard
1x Conn Smythe
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you forgot McDavid's 6 Art Ross trophys
 
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atlanticobserver said:
Independent of this year's Hart race, whose career/trophy case are you taking?

Kucherov
2x Stanley Cup
2x Hart
2x Ted Lindsay
3x Art Ross

MacKinnon
1x Stanley Cup
1x Ted Lindsay
1x Rocket Richard
1x Calder
1x Lady Byng

McDavid
0x Stanley Cup
3x Hart
5x Ted Lindsay
1x Rocket Richard
1x Conn Smythe
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why leave off McDavid's art Rosses?
 
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atlanticobserver said:
Independent of this year's Hart race, whose career/trophy case are you taking?

Kucherov
2x Stanley Cup
2x Hart
2x Ted Lindsay
3x Art Ross

MacKinnon
1x Stanley Cup
1x Ted Lindsay
1x Rocket Richard
1x Calder
1x Lady Byng

McDavid
0x Stanley Cup
3x Hart
5x Ted Lindsay
1x Rocket Richard
1x Conn Smythe
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Why does Kucherov get credit for his Art Ross trophies, but McDavid's 6 wins are ignored?
 
atlanticobserver said:
I'm just a moron who stinks at copying and pasting lol no disrespect was intended
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