Transfer: 2024 Winter Transfer Window - Open Window Discussion

[luiginb]

Supposedly Spurs are offering a loan of Djed Spence to Genoa too.

It makes sense for Genoa, Sabella, their right back, is trash

 

[maclean]

Can't really blame him, tbh.

He is arguably the best player in the World and he has leverage. He is using it.

And, let's be frank, there is no way he comes to Madrid if the rumors about the offer being the same as in 2022 are true. Guy is a free agent, he won't come for a discounted price when he can get whatever he wants from PSG (or City or Newcastle or any other rich club in the World). Especially not when he milked all he could out of PSG the last time around. He will and should do the same. Not many employees have that kind of leverage, he should totally take advantage of it.

That being said, the saga is indeed tiresome.

At some point he may decide he wants to actually win something though

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

It makes sense for Genoa, Sabella, their right back, is trash

Spence has offensive talent, however he has some pretty large issues with his attitude.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

At some point he may decide he wants to actually win something though

I mean, he is guaranteed to play in the CL every year with PSG and he knows they will spend to win it. They failed so far, but just like it was for City, it is inevitable that they will end up succeeding at some point. There are like 10 clubs that can win the CL and they are one of them.

He already has won a World Cup, reach the finals in another.

Mbappé has won everything in France, multiple times.

He might move because he wants a new challenge, but he would be foolish to leave if PSG gives him way more than everybody else like they did last time.

 

[Evilo]

At some point he may decide he wants to actually win something though

Newsflash : over the last 5 years, Real Madrid and PSG have played the same number of CL finals.
And as many as Tottenham, Bayern, Chelsea and Inter Milan.
Only City and Liverpool have played more (2).
Meanwhile Mbappe has won the french league, french Cup, played two World Cup finals (being arguably the best player in back to back), won best scorer last time.
Benzema played for Real and was their star for the last 5 years and won 1 CL. Period.

 

[robertmac43]

 

[Wee Baby Seamus]

Newsflash : over the last 5 years, Real Madrid and PSG have played the same number of CL finals.
And as many as Tottenham, Bayern, Chelsea and Inter Milan.
Only City and Liverpool have played more (2).
Meanwhile Mbappe has won the french league, french Cup, played two World Cup finals (being arguably the best player in back to back), won best scorer last time.
Benzema played for Real and was their star for the last 5 years and won 1 CL. Period.

Focusing on finals is a little disingenuous.

Since Mbappe joined in 2017, PSG have gotten past the R16 two times. They've been Top 3 favourites in every one of those seasons, I would suggest. They have definitely spent to the extent that you would expect more than two QF appearances. And you can say "oh, but they've had tough draws!" which I think is fair for a standalone season, but over a protracted sample size (such as 2017-present) it starts to feel less compelling.

PSG have now gotten easily the easiest draw they could've gotten for the knockout stage (which they shouldn't be in anyhow, but I know that will fall on deaf ears), but this is not a club for whom I can say that the draw is a lay-up.

It's bonkers to say, but arguably Ibra and Cavani's PSG was better in Europe than Mbappe and Neymar's.

 

[Evilo]

Focusing on finals is a little disingenuous.

Since Mbappe joined in 2017, PSG have gotten past the R16 two times. They've been Top 3 favourites in every one of those seasons, I would suggest. They have definitely spent to the extent that you would expect more than two QF appearances. And you can say "oh, but they've had tough draws!" which I think is fair for a standalone season, but over a protracted sample size (such as 2017-present) it starts to feel less compelling.

PSG have now gotten easily the easiest draw they could've gotten for the knockout stage (which they shouldn't be in anyhow, but I know that will fall on deaf ears), but this is not a club for whom I can say that the draw is a lay-up.

It's bonkers to say, but arguably Ibra and Cavani's PSG was better in Europe than Mbappe and Neymar's.

Not really less compelling because if you look at the chances to draw, PSG are WAY less fortunate than any other team. They've drawn top teams almost every year, even when they topped their CL group.
In fact, the year they didn't face major teams, they went to the final.
PSG have an "easy" draw this year, after having one of the worst group ever, so that's kind of funny.

As for your last point, I'd say it has also to do with the coaching. Blanc was a top notch coach then, and Enrique is finally up to the task, but the team is clearly worse than the Thiago Silva/Marqui/Ibra/Cavani/Verratti at the top of their career.

 

[HeHateMeFrisbee]

From someone who knows the player. They offered him 2 mil, Spurs only 1.5

Source: Trust me bro

f*** him and all the others that went there chasing money. You knew what you were getting into before you went there.

 

[Wee Baby Seamus]

Not really less compelling because if you look at the chances to draw, PSG are WAY less fortunate than any other team. They've drawn top teams almost every year, even when they topped their CL group.
In fact, the year they didn't face major teams, they went to the final.
PSG have an "easy" draw this year, after having one of the worst group ever, so that's kind of funny.

As for your last point, I'd say it has also to do with the coaching. Blanc was a top notch coach then, and Enrique is finally up to the task, but the team is clearly worse than the Thiago Silva/Marqui/Ibra/Cavani/Verratti at the top of their career.

I mean, you gotta beat the best to be the best, right? To get to the final last year, City battered Leipzig, Bayern, and Real. Madrid beat PSG, Chelsea, and City in 2022. Chelsea beat Atletico, Porto, and Real in 2021.

All three of PSG's opponents to get to the final in 2020 were of a similar level to the worst teams each of those three teams faced.

Ultimately, if you can't beat the best teams in Europe, you're probably not the best team in Europe!

 

[Scandale du Jour]

Newsflash : over the last 5 years, Real Madrid and PSG have played the same number of CL finals.
And as many as Tottenham, Bayern, Chelsea and Inter Milan.
Only City and Liverpool have played more (2).
Meanwhile Mbappe has won the french league, french Cup, played two World Cup finals (being arguably the best player in back to back), won best scorer last time.
Benzema played for Real and was their star for the last 5 years and won 1 CL. Period.

We did win 5 of the last 10 though

 

[Savant]

Source: Trust me bro


f*** him and all the others that went there chasing money. You knew what you were getting into before you went there.

Supposedly Henderson is avoiding going back to England because of taxes; so is only looking abroad

But the money doesn’t matter to him apparently

 

[Blender]

 

[HeHateMeFrisbee]

Supposedly Henderson is avoiding going back to England because of taxes; so is only looking abroad

But the money doesn’t matter to him apparently

He's such a wanker. I hope the Saudi's don't let him leave and he has to see out the remainder of his career playing there.

As an aside, he CANNOT be in the England squad for the Euros. There are so many players that are more deserving of that spot.

 

[Evilo]

I mean, you gotta beat the best to be the best, right? To get to the final last year, City battered Leipzig, Bayern, and Real. Madrid beat PSG, Chelsea, and City in 2022. Chelsea beat Atletico, Porto, and Real in 2021.

All three of PSG's opponents to get to the final in 2020 were of a similar level to the worst teams each of those three teams faced.

Ultimately, if you can't beat the best teams in Europe, you're probably not the best team in Europe!

Sure. Not even sure how PSG's CL games factor in the interest of watching L1, but I'll bite.
PSG was beaten cleanly by Bayner last time. No argument.

The year before they got robbed by a ridiculous ref decision in Madrid and their own collapse after that decision. Heck the whole mental thing can be traced back to the Barca gate where the ref decided to that they could mock a team and sink them. Add the previous Real encounter or United Kimpembe handball, etc...

As I said PSG rarely choked in the end. They were either outplayed by better teams (Bayern twice), beaten by ridiculous reffing and their own faltering afterwards (Real twice, Barca united) and the one time they had an easy path they made it to the final.
One could argue they should have beaten City years ago but they sank themselves with cohesion and Blanc's authority going down the drain.

Even last year they should have topped their group with fair rules (extra time) and would have faced small teams to the final.

With that said, I'll repeat that you can look at some of the finalists paths over the years and th numbers prove it : nobody has had tougher opponents than PSG. By a HUGE margin.

We did win 5 of the last 10 though

I don't think Mbappe cares what happened 6 years ago tbh if he's to make a big career move.
La liga is faltering. Better this year that last but still it's not what it used to be.
I'd move to EPL or nothing if I was him but he has the right and ability to make his choices.

 

[Wee Baby Seamus]

Sure. Not even sure how PSG's CL games factor in the interest of watching L1, but I'll bite.
PSG was beaten cleanly by Bayner last time. No argument.

The year before they got robbed by a ridiculous ref decision in Madrid and their own collapse after that decision. Heck the whole mental thing can be traced back to the Barca gate where the ref decided to that they could mock a team and sink them. Add the previous Real encounter or United Kimpembe handball, etc...

As I said PSG rarely choked in the end. They were either outplayed by better teams (Bayern twice), beaten by ridiculous reffing and their own faltering afterwards (Real twice, Barca united) and the one time they had an easy path they made it to the final.
One could argue they should have beaten City years ago but they sank themselves with cohesion and Blanc's authority going down the drain.

Even last year they should have topped their group with fair rules (extra time) and would have faced small teams to the final.

With that said, I'll repeat that you can look at some of the finalists paths over the years and th numbers prove it : nobody has had tougher opponents than PSG. By a HUGE margin.


I don't think Mbappe cares what happened 6 years ago tbh if he's to make a big career move.
La liga is faltering. Better this year that last but still it's not what it used to be.
I'd move to EPL or nothing if I was him but he has the right and ability to make his choices.

You’re getting conversations mixed up. This convo had nothing to do with people watching Ligue 1 - this started with a response to someone saying Mbappe might want to win something. The one about how people don’t watch Ligue 1 was a different discussion.

My point is as simple as “the three most recent finalists had pathways as difficult as those PSG has lost R16 ties to.” Over a large sample size, individual gripes over reffing or the draw cease to hold as much water.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

I don't think Mbappe cares what happened 6 years ago tbh if he's to make a big career move.
La liga is faltering. Better this year that last but still it's not what it used to be.
I'd move to EPL or nothing if I was him but he has the right and ability to make his choices.

Oh, you are not wrong. I was just choosing my own timeline

TBH, I think he stays at PSG. They pretty much did everything he asked.

 

[Evilo]

You’re getting conversations mixed up. This convo had nothing to do with people watching Ligue 1 - this started with a response to someone saying Mbappe might want to win something. The one about how people don’t watch Ligue 1 was a different discussion.

My point is as simple as “the three most recent finalists had pathways as difficult as those PSG has lost R16 ties to.” Over a large sample size, individual gripes over reffing or the draw cease to hold as much water.

Ah true, sorry, was during work I should not post when working on other stuff
I get your point, I just think PSG has been beaten cleanly only by Bayern and City in recent years, and that does hold a point, especially in Mbappe's head (and it could also be that he should play on teams where the ref is the 12th player mind you).

 

[Evilo]

Oh, you are not wrong. I was just choosing my own timeline

TBH, I think he stays at PSG. They pretty much did everything he asked.

Thing is, if he leaves now, it'd be weird because the team has finally made intelligent smart moves based on football rather than stardom and money.
Get a coach with a real defined strategy (like it or not), move for players that fit this strategy (Dembele, Ugarte, Barcola, etc...), give Mbappe the responsabilities (penalties). Show ambition on the market (as per the Kimmich and Bruno rumors). And have a SD who can sign gems for cheap.
The only drawback is that the team is young and needs maturing. It is not a CL winning team right now.

Mbappe has every reason to move because he was fed up with PSG. But he has no reason to be fed up this upcoming summer.
But he also knows that if he moves, it should be now because he's not going to move at age 30 and he doesn't want a yearly question about his transfer. If he stays, he'll have to stay for 2 years MINIMUM.

 

[Scandale du Jour]

Thing is, if he leaves now, it'd be weird because the team has finally made intelligent smart moves based on football rather than stardom and money.
Get a coach with a real defined strategy (like it or not), move for players that fit this strategy (Dembele, Ugarte, Barcola, etc...), give Mbappe the responsabilities (penalties). Show ambition on the market (as per the Kimmich and Bruno rumors). And have a SD who can sign gems for cheap.
The only drawback is that the team is young and needs maturing. It is not a CL winning team right now.

Mbappe has every reason to move because he was fed up with PSG. But he has no reason to be fed up this upcoming summer.
But he also knows that if he moves, it should be now because he's not going to move at age 30 and he doesn't want a yearly question about his transfer. If he stays, he'll have to stay for 2 years MINIMUM.

Oh, I agree.

That's why I think he is staying and also because Flo won't outbid PSG. They said they would not and are rumoured to have given him the same offer as before. Our arrogance will be our downfall on this one.

Mbappé is using his leverage right now, as he should.... but, yeah, at the end of the day, he's staying put.

 

[Evilo]

Another thing worth keeping in mind is that there are LOTS of things on Nasser right now going on in France. I don't know if it's rumors, lies or truths and until proven in court, I'm not here to throw shit.
But if some of this turns out true, Mbappe will want to leave this craphole ASAP.
Of course, "corruption is limited to arabs" as per hfboards rules, so he'll be well in a "healthy" environment elsewhere.

 

[Savant]

He's such a wanker. I hope the Saudi's don't let him leave and he has to see out the remainder of his career playing there.

As an aside, he CANNOT be in the England squad for the Euros. There are so many players that are more deserving of that spot.

Saudi Arabia, tax and why it is expensive for players like Henderson to come home

There was an exile of players to Saudi Arabia in the summer — this is why it's financially tough to return

theathletic.com

 

[robertmac43]

Supposedly Henderson is avoiding going back to England because of taxes; so is only looking abroad

If he came back to England he would abused by every single fan base. He's got to stay away.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

This saga knows no end. I'm still optimistic, but I hope Spurs have a plan B...

 

[spintheblackcircle]