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You have all lost your minds. It’s not about being “slow” it’s about building a good team. If we trade for MG and it’s 29++ as most people are saying, what does that leave us out of the 2025 Draft? Let’s just say it’s the 1st and the 3rd. That leaves us with a late second and a 4th and 3 7ths? It’s simply not smart for us to basically forego an entire draft class so we can have a 29 year old defensive end.

Mack, Miller, JJ Watt etc etc etc. Heck, Bruce Smith! The “freaks” don’t last well into their 30s. The cupboard is bare of young talent. If you want to make a splash, use free agency where at least we have the cap room. We simply don’t have the draft capital to swing for the fences on MG after the Lattimore trade and making the NFCCG. It’s simple math. It won’t happen and it shouldn’t unless we can get him for way less than what John Q. Public is expecting.

I’m not as smart as Peters but you guys are going full Snyder here. It’s a little surprising to be honest.
 
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Bananas said:
You have all lost your minds. It’s not about being “slow” it’s about building a good team. If we trade for MG and it’s 29++ as most people are saying, what does that leave us out of the 2025 Draft? Let’s just say it’s the 1st and the 3rd. That leaves us with a late second and a 4th and 3 7ths? It’s simply not smart for us to basically forego an entire draft class so we can have a 29 year old defensive end.

Mack, Miller, JJ Watt etc etc etc. Heck, Bruce Smith! The “freaks” don’t last well into their 30s. The cupboard is bare of young talent. If you want to make a splash, use free agency where at least we have the cap room. We simply don’t have the draft capital to swing for the fences on MG after the Lattimore trade and making the NFCCG. It’s simple math. It won’t happen and it shouldn’t unless we can get him for way less than what John Q. Public is expecting.

I’m not as smart as Peters but you guys are going full Snyder here. It’s a little surprising to be honest.
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You crazy ripened fruit lol…..;)…….way off.
 
I would pursue Garrett aggressively. To offset Bananas' good point about not giving up too much capital in any one year, I would offer them 1st this year/2nd next year along with Jonathan Allen (that way the Commies still have two top 100 picks this year). Browns could then either keep Allen or flip him for another pick.

Why? He's not a rental, and he fits in the early JD window perfectly. Further, he's an elite player. You'd have to have a top 12 pick to even have a realistic chance of drafting a player like him. And yes, he's 29. The top 10 in sacks this year includes multiple 30 year old and a 33 year old. Cameron Jordan is another recent example of a defensive player who remained highly productive through age 33.

It's a bit risky, but the payoff would be huge. Garrett would instantly make the defense better in all three phases. He's the sort of guy who can take over an entire game, and he's the sort of guy that keeps offensive coordinators up at night.
 
Id love a game changer at end

Id settle for a edge setter run stopper on a good value contract ... a Zaven Collins type at 2/14M would be ideal

Going to be a fun offseason ... cap room to add some impact starters, FAs want to be here
 
I don't know why anyone really think's we're just one player away from the Super Bowl. Being one game away isn't the same as one player away. We were an entire roster away from beating the Eagles, not one player. We need 5 or 6 more game breaker type of players, not just one. To get 5 or 6 more of those players we need to maximize the draft or find them in free agency. But trading 3-4 draft picks for 1 player makes it harder to fill the whole roster. A roster that is currently held together with duct tape and bungy cords.

JD may not survive again to make another NFC Championship game without a much better OL. And I'm not sure one player, albeit a good one, is going to stop the Eagles from scoring, *checks note* fifty five f***ing points on us. We need DBs, DTs, DEs, OTs, WRs, RBs. We still have a TON of holes, not matter how well the stars aligned for us the January. One DE can be game planned around. A superior 11 man lineup (on either side of the ball) cannot be game planned for. Cleveland never won shit with MG wreaking so much havoc. The Chiefs and Eagles don't have hall of fame DE's on their rosters. They are just much more complete teams than we are.

Stop Snydering. This was always a long game, to compete for titles year after year, not just one year.
 
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Oh come on, ksd. No one is Snydering. That’s insulting!

Garrett is a monster. If the team had to trade 1st and a 2nd and a player (Allen), then I think that’s a no brainer. Garrett’s cost is washed out by Allen’s departure, so they’d still have a LOT of salary cap space.

Go sign a Stanley at OT. Coleman moves to RT, and Wylie is sent packing (saving 10m there, too). Need another RG, because Cosmi injury, but the O-line would be markedly better. As would the D-Line. Bring back Wagner, sign another UFA for depth, they’d be cooking.

Kinda similar to what they just did. Mash a bunch of “professionals” together, get after it.
 
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I don't know why anyone really think's we're just one player away from the Super Bowl. Being one game away isn't the same as one player away. We were an entire roster away from beating the Eagles, not one player. We need 5 or 6 more game breaker type of players, not just one. To get 5 or 6 more of those players we need to maximize the draft or find them in free agency. But trading 3-4 draft picks for 1 player makes it harder to fill the whole roster. A roster that is currently held together with duct tape and bungy cords.

JD may not survive again to make another NFC Championship game without a much better OL. And I'm not sure one player, albeit a good one, is going to stop the Eagles from scoring, *checks note* fifty five f***ing points on us. We need DBs, DTs, DEs, OTs, WRs, RBs. We still have a TON of holes, not matter how well the stars aligned for us the January. One DE can be game planned around. A superior 11 man lineup (on either side of the ball) cannot be game planned for. Cleveland never won shit with MG wreaking so much havoc. The Chiefs and Eagles don't have hall of fame DE's on their rosters. They are just much more complete teams than we are.

Stop Snydering. This was always a long game, to compete for titles year after year, not just one year.
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Don’t make up fake scenarios….nobody said we’re one player away and nobody said you can’t draft well with remaining assets and sign impact players in the offseason.

We have a ton of cap, and JD has everyone in the NFL looking at DC as a destination.

The NFL no longer moves as slow as you’re suggesting Dave. Teams can turn it around quickly. Nothing being suggested is for a one year glory run. It’s to build around a special player and to put him in a better position to succeed before we have to pay him $65 mil a year.

You call it Snydering, I could respond you’re Mike Brown’ing, just sitting on your hands wasting a young QB’s prime. Let’s both do neither and stop insulting everyone with the Snyder BS.

PS - we are not an entire roster from beating Philly.
 
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OK, apart from QB, which position group are we objectively better than Philly?

Until we are on par with them, beating them in the playoffs will require luck. Hope is not a strategy.
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Aside from the most important position in the game?

I’m just saying we’re not “an entire roster” away from beating Philly. We have players and will continue to add more good ones.

Shit happens. QBs go down, games swing on big plays. I like where I anticipate AP will have this roster after another successful offseason.

I’m certainly not afraid to move 29, and maybe a 2nd or 3rd next year and a player if that does it.
 
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Aside from the most important position in the game?

I’m just saying we’re not “an entire roster” away from beating Philly. We have players and will continue to add more good ones.

Shit happens. QBs go down, games swing on big plays. I like where I anticipate AP will have this roster after another successful offseason.

I’m certainly not afraid to move 29, and maybe a 2nd or 3rd next year and a player if that does it.
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In fact the answer was, there are no position groups where we are better overall than the Eagles. They have a better OL (by far), better WRs overall, better RB group (by a trillion miles), much better DL, better overall LB, CB and Safety groups. Did I miss anything? TE may be a push, but we're not better off there.

The advantage we have at QB doesn't overcome all that. Its part of why we lost 55 to whatever. One player doesn't even change that comparison above.
 
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OK, apart from QB, which position group are we objectively better than Philly?

Until we are on par with them, beating them in the playoffs will require luck. Hope is not a strategy.
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Our linebackers are better. Our O-line (with Cosmi) wasn’t far off theirs.

The safeties are similar as well. And candidly if Marshon was fully healthy, I’d measure him and Sainristil competitively to their top 2.

There are a lot of places where they have superior talent. Hell, even AJ Brown spelled it out, we are D-line, some O-line, and a WR from being close.
 
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In fact the answer was, there are no position groups where we are better overall than the Eagles. They have a better OL (by far), better WRs overall, better RB group (by a trillion miles), much better DL, better overall LB, CB and Safety groups. Did I miss anything? TE may be a push, but we're not better off there.

The advantage we have at QB doesn't overcome all that. Its part of why we lost 55 to whatever. One player doesn't even change that comparison above.
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Except it did once in the regular season and could just as easily in the postseason.

This isn’t a contest of who has better position groups. You wrote “entire roster”…..that is wrong.
 
It was supposed to take three years. We got to NFC Championship in one year. We are jaded but this is a real front office. Commanders passed on a lot of possibilities that Lil Dan would have jumped on. They have a plan. They know who they want to keep, who to let go, where the value players hide.

I don’t understand the NFL camp like i do NHL. But seems like we have a fair amount to space relative to other teams.
 
All the awards getting announced now. Daniels rookie of year. Barkley offensive player of year. Certain defensive player of the year.
 
Im am Mamas boy and love JD bringing his mom to everything. Some of the football shows teased him about it, but he didnt care. Also his Suit game was on point tonight.
 
The more I’ve dug into this years FAs the more I’m convinced their primary target should be Chris Godwin. He’s a run blocking slot receiver who can get open downfield and was graded out Top 10 overall WR. Only red flag is injury history.

As much as I love Higgins he doesn’t fit KKs offense.

Ronnie Stanley at T and maybe an edge rusher via trade…
 
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