OT: 2024 Washington Commanders thread: change we can believe in!

[Ovechkins Wodka]

BTW, don't look now, but guess which receiver is #2 overall in the entire league in separation win rate (number of routes run vs number of times they got separation).





Hint, its our rookie WR with the famous football family name.

2024 SEASON DATA (MIN. 50 OPPORTUNITIES)​

Player	Team	Opportunities	Snaps with separation	Separation %
Dontayvion Wicks	GB	57	43	75.44%
Luke McCaffrey	WAS	64	48	75.00%
Rashod Bateman	BLT	113	84	74.34%
Chris Olave	NO	77	57	74.03%
Mike Evans	TB	71	52	73.24%
Demario Douglas	NE	92	66	71.74%
Malik Nabers	NYG	119	84	70.59%
Garrett Wilson	NYJ	154	106	68.83%
Travis Kelce	KC	101	69	68.32%
Zay Flowers	BLT	104	71	68.27%
Christian Watson	GB	62	42	67.74%
Jordan Addison	MIN	80	54	67.50%
Jakobi Meyers	LV	104	70	67.31%
Chris Godwin	TB	73	49	67.12%
Trey McBride	ARZ	93	62	66.67%
Josh Downs	IND	72	48	66.67%
Brandon Aiyuk	SF	104	68	65.38%
Diontae Johnson	CAR	98	64	65.31%
Zach Ertz	WAS	110	71	64.55%

For what its worth, Noah Brown is at 60% and Scary Terry is at 55%, middle of the pack.

Im shocked hes not taking punts at this point. They kept using the dude trying to catch the ball with his face.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

And its not like they don't have WRs to throw to.

Here's something interesting about the Bears vs Redskins OL rankings. Preseason, PFF had the Skins as 27th and the Bears as 11th. After week 10 (before the Pitt game) they had the Skins at 8 (up 3 spots from week 9) and the Bears at 26 (down 6 spots from week 9)

So DC went from 27 to 8 while the Bears went from 11 to 26. Lots of factors there including health, but QB play has to be part of it.

Can’t blame it largely on the line….it’s him and coaching.

 

[DWGie26]

Im shocked hes not taking punts at this point. They kept using the dude trying to catch the ball with his face.

I like McCaffrey and Sinnott. Both will be valuable parts of the offense. I like the slow approach but it is time to move. Heading into back half of season and in position to make playoffs, you gotta get your weapons involved. They should be ready by now as first three round picks.

 

[usiel]

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5910260/2024/11/12/nfl-draft-2025-prospect-rankings-dane-brugler/

Looks like OTs are available down in the lower 20s.

 

[trick9]

Can’t blame it largely on the line….it’s him and coaching.

O line looks better when the QB takes closer to 2 seconds to throw rather than 3.

 

[RedRocking]

Couldn’t have happened to a better dude. Consummate pro, never complains. Remarkably, has never had less than 900 yds receiving, even with this team’s clown car of QBs his first 5 seasons.

Even though I’d like to see him YAC his way into the end zone more often, he’s proven better this season than I ever thought he’d be. He’s only 1 TD away from tying his career high.

Also, not super familiar with this stat. But, kinda surprised it wasn’t someone like AJB, JJ, Chase, Evans, or D-Hop.

 

[John Price]

stopping Barkley is going to be a pain

 

[kicksavedave]

Skins OL now up to 3rd overall in PFF rankings. Only gave up 4 pressures to Pitt, however 2 of them did become sacks.

Detroit, Denver, Washington are the top three.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

It’s him doing what he did in college…..holding the ball too long.

Yeah, this. In college he struggled to trust his reads and held the ball too long but he’s an insane athlete and could run around and improvise. Can’t do that at this level. He’s going to need to learn to play QB.

Funny how quickly the narrative of, “Caleb went to the best possible situation and he’ll be the clear cut best rookie QB,” did a 180.

 

[Roric]

Yeah, this. In college he struggled to trust his reads and held the ball too long but he’s an insane athlete and could run around and improvise. Can’t do that at this level. He’s going to need to learn to play QB.

Funny how quickly the narrative of, “Caleb went to the best possible situation and he’ll be the clear cut best rookie QB,” did a 180.

Wasn't that also the case with RG?

 

[Ovechkins Wodka]

So many red flags on Caleb in the draft process. So many things pointed to Diva and things we saw in Haskins and RG3.
He was a local kid
His Dad was trying to pick his team
His painting his nails
Crying in his Moms arms right after a loss

Just a lot of things we have seen around here that didnt work out. I might have become a Caleb hater lol

 

[kicksavedave]

Yeah, this. In college he struggled to trust his reads and held the ball too long but he’s an insane athlete and could run around and improvise. Can’t do that at this level. He’s going to need to learn to play QB.

Funny how quickly the narrative of, “Caleb went to the best possible situation and he’ll be the clear cut best rookie QB,” did a 180.

Well the narrative that the Skins OL and lack of WR's would punish JD here also changed. Things change in the NFL and perceptions in the summer can radically be altered when the games happen. The fact that its all working in the Redskins favor simply proves that the Snyder curse has been lifted.

 

[kicksavedave]

So many red flags on Caleb in the draft process. So many things pointed to Diva and things we saw in Haskins and RG3.
He was a local kid
His Dad was trying to pick his team
His painting his nails
Crying in his Moms arms right after a loss

Just a lot of things we have seen around here that didnt work out. I might have become a Caleb hater lol

Yep, I remember the debate well. Lots of little things that painted a bigger picture. For me also, it was just the difference in accuracy from JD to CW/DM that sold it all.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

Yep, I remember the debate well. Lots of little things that painted a bigger picture. For me also, it was just the difference in accuracy from JD to CW/DM that sold it all.

I was a Drake guy, not afraid to admit it. I had RGIII PTSD and couldn't stand the thought of another tall, thin, mobile QB getting piledriven into the turf every week by dudes twice his size. Never had any concerns about his character or who he was as a person on or off the field, was strictly a mental block from watching RGIII get bent in half and ruin his career before it even started.

 

[kicksavedave]

I was a Drake guy, not afraid to admit it. I had RGIII PTSD and couldn't stand the thought of another tall, thin, mobile QB getting piledriven into the turf every week by dudes twice his size. Never had any concerns about his character or who he was as a person on or off the field, was strictly a mental block from watching RGIII get bent in half and ruin his career before it even started.

JD vs DM was actually a pretty fair discussion and the preferences for one vs the other were all valid. But I just saw something really off in CW and would not have drafted him 1OA if we had that pick ourselves. I saw it as JD>DM>(JJ/MP/BN)>CW, which was pretty far from any consensus but it feels like CW may be the biggest bust of all of them, unless something changes his trajectory.

 

[RedRocking]

BRob is a full go for TNF!

 

[Jags]

JD vs DM was actually a pretty fair discussion and the preferences for one vs the other were all valid. But I just saw something really off in CW and would not have drafted him 1OA if we had that pick ourselves. I saw it as JD>DM>(JJ/MP/BN)>CW, which was pretty far from any consensus but it feels like CW may be the biggest bust of all of them, unless something changes his trajectory.

Yeah, JD/DM vs Caleb was kinda like Nabers vs Odunze for me. You only got media glimpses prior to the draft, but Nabers was already wearing the flashy clothes, 15 pounds of jewelry, gold teeth and Rome is this nice, normal kid in comparison. I gotta see an ounce of humility or I get the heebie jeebies. I'd have taken Odunze without a second thought.

Caleb woulda made me nervous. He has crazy skills, but his character just seems so ordinary to me. Add in the shit with his dad and it'd feel like I was drafting Macaulay Culkin, y'know?

Daniels vs Maye was just a fun conversation for me because I'm not enough of a football expert to have a definitive take one way or the other and both of them just seemed to be likable, aw-shucks kinda guys. Didn't feel like we could really go wrong either way. Not catastrophically anyway.

I'm sure Caleb will be fine, but I'd be sweating it if I were a Bears fan.

 

[RandyHolt]

LOL @Caleb and the Bears that just can't seem to develop a QB.

Eagles are stout against the run. I do hope we just run into the brick wall just to keep the D honest. I want the game in the hands of JD5. Start the game with play action and go from there.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

So many red flags on Caleb in the draft process. So many things pointed to Diva and things we saw in Haskins and RG3.
He was a local kid
His Dad was trying to pick his team
His painting his nails
Crying in his Moms arms right after a loss

Just a lot of things we have seen around here that didnt work out. I might have become a Caleb hater lol

I don’t think his struggles have anything to do with those things.

Bears screwed up keeping a virtual lame duck HC. Now that guy and his staff are all but guaranteed to be gone and this kid is going to be dealing with a new HC/OC/system for his 2nd straight year. Bears Management has completely f’ed this up….

Caleb on the surface would seem to need to be more coachable….

 

[Jags]

this kid is going to be dealing with a new HC/OC/system

Yeah, they'll prolly be sniffin around Kliff.

 

[Roric]

Anxiety is through the roof today. Let's get this win

 

[RandyHolt]

Chicago interviewed Kliff. They had their chance and went with EggerFlucks choice.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Anxiety is through the roof today. Let's get this win

Expect the loss, anxiety solved….

 

[trick9]

Expect the loss, anxiety solved….

Loser attitude.

BRob back. Expecting a W here. 6-0 since the Bucs loss when he's in.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Loser attitude.

BRob back. Expecting a W here. 6-0 since the Bucs loss when he's in.

Realistic….I think we take the one in DC, they win at home. Would love to be wrong.