OT: 2024 Washington Commanders thread: change we can believe in!

[Beef Invictus]

He needs to actually play, otherwise I like it

 

[RandyHolt]

Seeing the going rates of guys traded today it seems a bit of an overpay but I think N.O. had many callers and AP got his guy. The Ravens got Tre White an All-Pro and basically swapped 7ths / 6ths and all the deals including Dionate (basically free!)- prices just seem low. It is interesting to see NFL trades becoming more common.

 

[ynotcaps]

We made a major move and I'm sitting here not thinking its going to blow up in our face.
Is that weird?
It feels weird.

 

[WcRoenick97]

JD5 is going to be the franchise QB we've been wanting for years. Got a good one.

Lattimore pick up is massive. He just needs to stay healthy but he's one of the top 5 CB's in the league when he is. Can completely shut down his side of the field. Should be a fun ride the rest of the way.

 

[ynotcaps]

In addition to the player, I love the message the FO sent to the team with this move: you guys have done your part, we've got your back.

Absolutely amazing the complete culture change.

 

[usiel]

I know most of you hate the black jersey but man I'd really like one but haven't really found where to get one.

 

[John Price]

 

[Beef Invictus]

Whitt is saying that after the Andrews TD and late TE catch last game he's removed that coverage check from the game plan because it wasn't being executed well. Two miscommunications across two games and he's adjusting.

Straight up don't remember the last time we had a DC who would do that. JDR almost never changed anything. I think Hackett would have responded by making the check more complex and adding conditions

 

[kicksavedave]

Those prices are insane for a regular season game.

Whitt is saying that after the Andrews TD and late TE catch last game he's removed that coverage check from the game plan because it wasn't being executed well. Two miscommunications across two games and he's adjusting.

Straight up don't remember the last time we had a DC who would do that. JDR almost never changed anything. I think Hackett would have responded by making the check more complex and adding conditions

I suspect Whitt is covering a little for Wagner. I think Wagner had the TE on the long catch by Theo Johnson, and he was just way too slow to keep up with him. Wagner shouldn't be covering fast TE's deep anymore at this point in his career. So while Whitt calls it a "miscommunication", that sounds like a cover for "We'll get a faster guy on the TE from now on". Either way, its good that they are self reflective and adjust as needed... as you mention, the old regimes never contemplated anything.

 

[kicksavedave]

 

[kicksavedave]

 

[Beef Invictus]

Those prices are insane for a regular season game.



I suspect Whitt is covering a little for Wagner. I think Wagner had the TE on the long catch by Theo Johnson, and he was just way too slow to keep up with him. Wagner shouldn't be covering fast TE's deep anymore at this point in his career. So while Whitt calls it a "miscommunication", that sounds like a cover for "We'll get a faster guy on the TE from now on". Either way, its good that they are self reflective and adjust as needed... as you mention, the old regimes never contemplated anything.

Haha yeah, the read may no longer be "Does Wagner or _________ take the TE in X situation," but rather "Wagner does not take the TE, you do."

Andrews caught his ball in a common LB coverage zone too, now that you mention that. I think. My brain is finished. I don't know.

 

[RedRocking]

Love the Chase Daniel breakdowns. I watched his Caleb video this week, and it was brutal. He’s not seeing the field, is holding the ball too long, and seems allergic to check downs. Makes me appreciate Jayden so much.


At the halfway mark, I’d have to rank the rook QBs:

1) Jayden
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…
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2) Bo Nix
3) Maye
4) Caleb

Maye > Caleb might be unfair since he’s played fewer games. But he’s at least moving the ball, making stuff happen. He has no o-line or skill players, so he’s just winging it - but he looks like he can play.

OTOH, Caleb is running around (often backwards), spraying the ball all over the field. That, or he holds the ball too long and gets destroyed. I guess he’ll get a new coach next year that can put him in a better position to succeed.

 

[ynotcaps]

Love the Chase Daniel breakdowns. I watched his Caleb video this week, and it was brutal. He’s not seeing the field, is holding the ball too long, and seems allergic to check downs. Makes me appreciate Jayden so much.


At the halfway mark, I’d have to rank the rook QBs:

1) Jayden
…
…
…
2) Bo Nix
3) Maye
4) Caleb

Maye > Caleb might be unfair since he’s played fewer games. But he’s at least moving the ball, making stuff happen. He has no o-line or skill players, so he’s just winging it - but he looks like he can play.

OTOH, Caleb is running around (often backwards), spraying the ball all over the field. That, or he holds the ball too long and gets destroyed. I guess he’ll get a new coach next year that can put him in a better position to succeed.

Yeah, I think the preseason take that Caleb was in the best situation of the kid QBs looks pretty bad in retrospect.
I think Eberflus is a goner and their OL is not what it was cracked up to be.

I think Maye is making chicken salad out of some serious chicken shit. But I think his style is more reckless than JD -- maybe a function of thinking he's big enough to run over or through defenders? He's also more careless with the ball.

Nix is just meh to me. Better runner than I expected but not a star.

It's awesome that we've got the best of the bunch. And it's very clear it's not a flash in the pan -- he's proficient in all the areas that a successful QB needs to master to be great. He's got a long way to go, but he's got an incredible foundation to work from.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Love the Chase Daniel breakdowns. I watched his Caleb video this week, and it was brutal. He’s not seeing the field, is holding the ball too long, and seems allergic to check downs. Makes me appreciate Jayden so much.


At the halfway mark, I’d have to rank the rook QBs:

1) Jayden
…
…
…
2) Bo Nix
3) Maye
4) Caleb

Maye > Caleb might be unfair since he’s played fewer games. But he’s at least moving the ball, making stuff happen. He has no o-line or skill players, so he’s just winging it - but he looks like he can play.

OTOH, Caleb is running around (often backwards), spraying the ball all over the field. That, or he holds the ball too long and gets destroyed. I guess he’ll get a new coach next year that can put him in a better position to succeed.

They were all over Caleb on ESPN today saying he’s regressed…

 

[kicksavedave]

It's awesome that we've got the best of the bunch. And it's very clear it's not a flash in the pan -- he's proficient in all the areas that a successful QB needs to master to be great. He's got a long way to go, but he's got an incredible foundation to work from.

Saw some dude that said JD prepares "like Manning and Brady did" as in work ethic. I think JD is ahead of them with his pioneering virtual reality work, but eventually others will catch on there too. Still, there will always be QBs drafted, like Dwayne Haskins, who think they just have to show up and win on talent alone. JD, knows better.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

lol @ The Bungholes…..let the Ravens off…

 

[ChaosLord]

lol @ The Bungholes…..let the Ravens off…

Going for two instead of trying to tie it? Dummies. Zac Taylor should be gone after this one.

 

[AlexModvechkin8]

I didn’t mind going for two and think it was actually the right call. Lamar torched them all night and they probably didn’t stand much of a chance if the OT coin flip didn’t go their way and the Ravens got the ball first.

Look at the Bucs/Chiefs game from Monday… the Bucs scored a TD with 27 seconds left and chose to kick the XP to send it into OT rather than go for the win with the two-point conversion. Kansas City won the toss and Tampa never got the ball again.

I did have an issue with the play call. You have Chase one on one up top and you don’t go that way with the ball? Didn’t even look like Burrow looked at his side of the field. Seems dumb.

 

[RedRocking]

Yeah, I think the preseason take that Caleb was in the best situation of the kid QBs looks pretty bad in retrospect.
I think Eberflus is a goner and their OL is not what it was cracked up to be.

I think Maye is making chicken salad out of some serious chicken shit. But I think his style is more reckless than JD -- maybe a function of thinking he's big enough to run over or through defenders? He's also more careless with the ball.

Nix is just meh to me. Better runner than I expected but not a star.

It's awesome that we've got the best of the bunch. And it's very clear it's not a flash in the pan -- he's proficient in all the areas that a successful QB needs to master to be great. He's got a long way to go, but he's got an incredible foundation to work from.

Yea, I think Maye, in a sense, is actually in a ok spot cause it’s not like NE cares about winning right now. (As long as he doesn’t get lit up). So, he can basically draw up plays in the dirt - scramble, chuck it around, and throw picks. Kinda like his last year at UNC, lol. At the very least, he looks like he belongs in the NFL. His running style is a little reckless, like Josh Allen. At some point, he’ll have to work within a functional offense, limit mistakes, and fix his footwork. Until then, he’ll be on track to be a “high event” guy like Wentz or Winston.

Maybe all the expectations of this Bears roster have made it tougher on Caleb? That D is good enough where he shouldn’t have to do too much. But, everyone just assumed he’d lead them to the playoffs as a rookie. It’s unfair to judge these guys this early. But, he’s failing the eye test, and has one of the worst percentage of off-target throws in the league. Those sidearm throws look cool when he makes the play, but when he has to use it all the time because he’s scrambling or can’t see over the D line - that’s worrying.

Anyways, these guys play each other this weekend. Caleb could have success against a crappy NE defense. Whereas Maye will likely be running for his life, coughing the ball up a few times, lol. Could be a fun game.