Blue Jays GDT: 2024 v2 | Thu, Apr 25 | @ KC | 2pm ET/11am PT | Berrios vs Ragans

[Suntouchable13]

Will Springer do anything outside of the first 2 games of the season? Holy Christ.

 

[MK78]

Buck stops with him. He built the roster.

Last year they were blessed with a very healthy starting staff, including Manoah who stunk.

This year not looking so good so far, in addition to the bullpen being shorthanded from the start.

Baseball gods giveth, and taketh...

 

[Suntouchable13]

This loss will hurt a lot. You have to beat up on these teams if we assume that the record inside the division will be more or less a wash.

 

[shaner8989]

We are in last place and we will stay there all year

Purely a garbage team

Fire everyone

 

[GoonieFace]

Kirk watches strike one right down the pipe almost every at bat. Maybe try swinging

 

[Suntouchable13]

8 hits but only 2 runs so far. Same theme from last year so far. Getting out homered consistently too. Disgusting offence.

 

[MK78]

They are getting owned by the Rockies bats. sad.

This loss will hurt a lot. You have to beat up on these teams if we assume that the record inside the division will be more or less a wash.

Last year the record vs the division was brutal.

 

[Suntouchable13]

They are getting owned by the Rockies bats. sad.


Last year the record vs the division was brutal.

Baltimore was our daddy, but other than them it was basically .500, if I remember correctly. But yes, overall it wasn't good, because of Baltimore.

This ump thinks the strike zone extends all the way to the other batter's box.

 

[shaner8989]

It’s absolute dog shit that this team got worse… like significantly worse.

How these f***ing losers in management still have jobs is truly a fraud.

Hard to cheer for this trash.

Won’t be long and the stadium will be empty

 

[Gustave]

The wait for this rebuild was hard and tough, but the fans knew it was time after the previous core ran it’s course.

But a second one when nothing came of this one? Fireable offense, and the years it will take to bring this back up…

 

[HamiltonNHL]

The Blue Jays have won every game which Schneider has started this season whether that’s at second base or at left field and he’s arguably provided the Blue Jays' best moment of the season so far with a two-run home run on a hanging slider off of Astros closer Josh Hader back on Apr. 3.

 

[EpochLink]

The Rockies!? This some shameless shit

 

[MK78]

Jeff Blair jinxed it, he was calling it a guaranteed win weekend.

I'm sure Barker will not let him slide on that one in the post game.

 

[canucksfan]

The wait for this rebuild was hard and tough, but the fans knew it was time after the previous core ran it’s course.

But a second one when nothing came of this one? Fireable offense, and the years it will take to bring this back up…

The fans waited three years for the rebuild which in baseball is great.

The team was on the right path until after the mariners series. I still maintain one of the main problems is the teams hitting philosophy. Mattingly is the biggest problem IMO. Why they brought the same approach back after it didn’t work last year is perplexing.

 

[MK78]

Man, mitch white sucks. he couldnt even mop up without giving up hits and runs...

20 hits total to the Rockies... sad.

 

[Cloned]

Predict if and when Atkins and Schneider get fired.

My prediction:

Atkins gets fired in May, Schneider stays on with Click as GM.

 

[shaner8989]

Honestly fire this f***ing moron

Davis not starting again???
Jays are 5-0 with him starting

Then he brings him in to ph in the 9th down 10 runs lmao

f*** you Schneider

 

[Gustave]

The fans waited three years for the rebuild which in baseball is great.

The team was on the right path until after the mariners series. I still maintain one of the main problems is the teams hitting philosophy. Mattingly is the biggest problem IMO. Why they brought the same approach back after it didn’t work last year is perplexing.

So, are you envisioning a smooth transition from this roster to a core that can win as something that’s understood and accepted by the fan base?

The Mariners series featured our friend Manoah that caved in under pressure that couldn’t get back to his winning ways, the attitude around the dugout that was not on a professional level and the ineptitude of management to identify in time that team defence mattered a lot. I agree that maybe Mattingly’s approach should be revisited, totally fair point, but I think it highlighted a lot of what was to come.

I’m gloomy to a fault, but this is not working and the minors aren’t so hot either. I’m not feeling it all.

 

[Cloned]

So, are you envisioning a smooth transition from this roster to a core that can win as something that’s understood and accepted by the fan base?

The Mariners series featured our friend Manoah that caved in under pressure that couldn’t get back to his winning ways, the attitude around the dugout that was not on a professional level and the ineptitude of management to identify in time that team defence mattered a lot. I agree that maybe Mattingly’s approach should be revisited, totally fair point, but I think it highlighted a lot of what was to come.

I’m gloomy to a fault, but this is not working and the minors aren’t so hot either. I’m not feeling it all.

Basically Atkins didn’t address issues in time, then when he finally did he overcompensated and let go of a lot of the hitting talent on the roster.

The result is an absolute Frankenstein mess of a roster that grades out as mid as you can possibly get.

 

[canucksfan]

So, are you envisioning a smooth transition from this roster to a core that can win as something that’s understood and accepted by the fan base?

The Mariners series featured our friend Manoah that caved in under pressure that couldn’t get back to his winning ways, the attitude around the dugout that was not on a professional level and the ineptitude of management to identify in time that team defence mattered a lot. I agree that maybe Mattingly’s approach should be revisited, totally fair point, but I think it highlighted a lot of what was to come.

I’m gloomy to a fault, but this is not working and the minors aren’t so hot either. I’m not feeling it all.

No idea what a new core would look like. The farm system could easily restocked with the numerous trade chips the Jays have.

The team needed a new approach at the plate and one more batter. Atkins doubled down on the roster instead.

 

[Seath The Scaleless]

What a disaster.

Burn the tape and win the next two, which are borderline must-win given the upcoming schedule

 

[canucksfan]

No idea what a new core would look like. The farm system could easily restocked with the numerous trade chips the Jays have.

The team needed a new approach at the plate and one more batter. Atkins doubled down on the roster instead.

I looked at the numbers when I got home tonight. So far the top three hitters are Turner, Biggio, and IKF. The only other two somewhat regulars above 100 wRC are Davis and Vladdy. The rest of the hitters are below 100. Vladdy is at 109 which is too low for him. The hilarious part is IKF and Turner are the two WAR leaders among positional players.

While it is still early, a similar problem continues from last year. Kirk, Varsho, Vladdy, Springer, and Bo are underperforming. Kirk is not as big of a problem once Jansen gets back. However, no matter what the team is, when the top three hitters on the team are underperforming, it's going to be difficult to win.

And while most of us are complaining about the hitting, the pitching hasn't been good either on most nights.

 

[LaP]

And while most of us are complaining about the hitting, the pitching hasn't been good either on most nights.

It's true but it requires context. Schneider is very quick to give up on games this season and bring White, Wes Pearson or Espino into the games. I understand that he's missing his best relief pitchers and must not use the remaining ones too often but still those 3 guys s**** a** and it inflates the ERA quite a bit. Again tonight Schneider brought Espino in when the game was still winnable. He either clearly overrate those pitchers or doesn't believe in the ability of his offence to claw back into games. Even with injuries those 3 guys should not pitch imo i can't believe there's not something better in AAA. I mean try the cuban guy and use Francis as a relief pitcher like last year.

 

[canucksfan]

It's true but it requires context. Schneider is very quick to give up on games this season and bring White, Wes Pearson or Espino into the games. I understand that he's missing his best relief pitchers and must not use the remaining ones too often but still those 3 guys s**** a** and it inflates the ERA quite a bit. Again tonight Schneider brought Espino in when the game was still winnable. He either clearly overrate those pitchers or doesn't believe in the ability of his offence to claw back into games. Even with injuries those 3 guys should not pitch imo i can't believe there's not something better in AAA. I mean try the cuban guy and use Francis as a relief pitcher like last year.

I somewhat agree. Berrios and Kikuchi have been great. Bassitt only good in one start and the rest awful. Relievers are a mix but it’s mostly the ‘junk’ guys giving up the runs.

The core of the problem is the Jays haven’t developed good pitching. It’s looking better at the lower levels.

 

[GreytWun]

I looked at the numbers when I got home tonight. So far the top three hitters are Turner, Biggio, and IKF. The only other two somewhat regulars above 100 wRC are Davis and Vladdy. The rest of the hitters are below 100. Vladdy is at 109 which is too low for him. The hilarious part is IKF and Turner are the two WAR leaders among positional players.

While it is still early, a similar problem continues from last year. Kirk, Varsho, Vladdy, Springer, and Bo are underperforming. Kirk is not as big of a problem once Jansen gets back. However, no matter what the team is, when the top three hitters on the team are underperforming, it's going to be difficult to win.

And while most of us are complaining about the hitting, the pitching hasn't been good either on most nights.

And there in lies the issue with not doing more in the offseason. Most fans knew the pitching last year was going to be very hard to replicate. Atkins just banked on a bunch of probability which is a recipe for failure.