Blue Jays Discussion: 2024 Season - Complete without a great title in keeping with the performance

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If Shapiro keeps Atkins then I don't see anything to get excited about no matter which direction Jays go in. 0 confidence in him.
This is my biggest issue with Shapiro. He is not secure enough to hire top notch people around him. He hires puppets. Hire a real coach with some clout and a gm who will challenge him and not wake up to glass so much more than half full it’s overflowing. Would Atkins, Schneider Montoya and gang be hired anywhere else in baseball as coaches or gm’s?

It’s not just on the field where this team talent and decision making suck.
 


The Toronto Blue Jays, baseball’s most underachieving team, will do plenty of selling at the deadline before they do some firing in the offseason.

They are expected to trade pitcher Yusei Kikuchi, center fielder Kevin Kiermaier, catcher Danny Jansen and DH Justin Turner – and could entertain offers for Chris Bassitt and Kevin Gausman.

But are they willing to go all of the way and trade Guerrero Jr. and Bo Bichette too?

Highly unlikely.

They still want to keep the team together one more year, but if they’re still underperforming a year from now, they’ll be dumped at next year’s trade deadline.

Toronto Blue Jays shortstop Bo Bichette has told friends that he would welcome a trade, while first baseman Vladimir Guerrero Jr. badly wants to stay in Toronto and is open to signing a long-term extension.
 
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The 2025 high school class has an impressive crop of shortstops at the top, headlined by top-ranked Ethan Holliday, the younger brother of Orioles No. 1 overall prospect Jackson Holliday. The college class, meanwhile, is headlined by Texas A&M's Jace LaViolette.
Jays need to lean into this tank. Perfect opportunity to get a potential franchise player.

3rd wildcard team makes it easier to make the playoffs. Sell what you can, reset the take and try to pull a Royals by playing all your AAA guys. Supplement with some free agents with no commitment unless you’re going for Soto or Burnes and play next year by ear.

Build it back up methodically.
 
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Jays need to lean into this tank. Perfect opportunity to get a potential franchise player.

3rd wildcard team makes it easier to make the playoffs. Sell what you can, reset the take and try to pull a Royals by playing all your AAA guys. Supplement with some free agents with no commitment unless you’re going for Soto or Burnes and play next year by ear.

Build it back up methodically.
Need some lottery luck either way. Have a Holliday brother in division rivalry lol
 
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Jays need to lean into this tank. Perfect opportunity to get a potential franchise player.

3rd wildcard team makes it easier to make the playoffs. Sell what you can, reset the take and try to pull a Royals by playing all your AAA guys. Supplement with some free agents with no commitment unless you’re going for Soto or Burnes and play next year by ear.

Build it back up methodically.
Honest question. Is tanking a thing in baseball? I always feel like baseball is the haves vs the have nots. Like in soccer.
 
Jays need to lean into this tank. Perfect opportunity to get a potential franchise player.

3rd wildcard team makes it easier to make the playoffs. Sell what you can, reset the take and try to pull a Royals by playing all your AAA guys. Supplement with some free agents with no commitment unless you’re going for Soto or Burnes and play next year by ear.

Build it back up methodically.


1. Angels: Ethan Holliday, SS, Stillwater HS (Okla.)
That’s right, it’s another Holliday in the top spot. Some feel Ethan has the chance to be better than his older brother, Jackson, and is definitely more physical. The Oklahoma State recruit might have been 1-1 this year had he been eligible and the ball carries off his bat to all fields well with an easy swing.

2. Marlins: Jace LaViolette, OF, Texas A&M
LaViolette led a Texas A&M team that included 2024 first-rounder Braden Montgomery with 29 homers in 2024. The left-handed power is very real (50 homers over two seasons) and he can play center field. Cutting down his swing-and-miss as a junior could cement him at the top of the Draft.

3. Padres: Cam Cannarella, OF, Clemson
After hitting .388/.462/.560 as a freshman, Cannarella managed to post a .978 OPS as a sophomore while playing through a shoulder injury that required surgery. When healthy, he’s a pure hitter who drives the ball to all fields, runs well and plays a solid center field.

4. Rangers: Jamie Arnold, LHP, Florida State
One of the top arms in the class, Arnold was one of the most dominant college starters in the game as a sophomore, finishing with a 2.95 ERA and 13.5 K/9 rate while walking only 2.2 per nine. Using a lower slot, the lefty misses bats with his fastball that he runs up to 97 mph and even more with his nasty mid-80s slider.

5. Nationals: Xavier Neyens, 3B/RHP, Mount Vernon HS (Wash.)
The top player in the Pacific Northwest, Neyens has had as good a summer so far of any high school hitter in the class. He has big-time left-handed power, reminding some of a left-handed hitting version of Austin Riley. The Oregon State recruit has the arm strength (He’s up to 95 mph off the mound.) to stick at third.

6. Rockies: Tyler Bremner, RHP, UC Santa Barbara
Bremner has both started and relieved at UCSB, but there’s no doubt he has a future in a rotation. The 6-foot-2 right-hander had a 2.54 ERA and 10.6 K/9 (vs. 2.1 BB/9) over 88 1/3 total innings as a sophomore, using a fastball that averaged around 95 mph, an impressive low-80s changeup and a solid mid-80s slider.

7. Blue Jays: Brady Ebel, SS, Corona HS (Calif.)
Brady is the son of Dodgers’ third-base coach Dino Ebel, so it’s not surprising he has a very good feel for the game. The LSU commit is a 6-foot-3 left-handed-hitting infielder who might be one the best pure hitters in the class, benefiting from his time hanging around the Dodgers’ hitting program. He’s the best prospect among many at Corona High School.
 
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Was at the game today. Incredibly fun game with the 2 springer dingers, Vashon catch and a couple great extra base hits. Chad Green closing it out was great
 
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1. Angels: Ethan Holliday, SS, Stillwater HS (Okla.)
That’s right, it’s another Holliday in the top spot. Some feel Ethan has the chance to be better than his older brother, Jackson, and is definitely more physical. The Oklahoma State recruit might have been 1-1 this year had he been eligible and the ball carries off his bat to all fields well with an easy swing.

2. Marlins: Jace LaViolette, OF, Texas A&M
LaViolette led a Texas A&M team that included 2024 first-rounder Braden Montgomery with 29 homers in 2024. The left-handed power is very real (50 homers over two seasons) and he can play center field. Cutting down his swing-and-miss as a junior could cement him at the top of the Draft.

3. Padres: Cam Cannarella, OF, Clemson
After hitting .388/.462/.560 as a freshman, Cannarella managed to post a .978 OPS as a sophomore while playing through a shoulder injury that required surgery. When healthy, he’s a pure hitter who drives the ball to all fields, runs well and plays a solid center field.

4. Rangers: Jamie Arnold, LHP, Florida State
One of the top arms in the class, Arnold was one of the most dominant college starters in the game as a sophomore, finishing with a 2.95 ERA and 13.5 K/9 rate while walking only 2.2 per nine. Using a lower slot, the lefty misses bats with his fastball that he runs up to 97 mph and even more with his nasty mid-80s slider.

5. Nationals: Xavier Neyens, 3B/RHP, Mount Vernon HS (Wash.)
The top player in the Pacific Northwest, Neyens has had as good a summer so far of any high school hitter in the class. He has big-time left-handed power, reminding some of a left-handed hitting version of Austin Riley. The Oregon State recruit has the arm strength (He’s up to 95 mph off the mound.) to stick at third.

6. Rockies: Tyler Bremner, RHP, UC Santa Barbara
Bremner has both started and relieved at UCSB, but there’s no doubt he has a future in a rotation. The 6-foot-2 right-hander had a 2.54 ERA and 10.6 K/9 (vs. 2.1 BB/9) over 88 1/3 total innings as a sophomore, using a fastball that averaged around 95 mph, an impressive low-80s changeup and a solid mid-80s slider.

7. Blue Jays: Brady Ebel, SS, Corona HS (Calif.)
Brady is the son of Dodgers’ third-base coach Dino Ebel, so it’s not surprising he has a very good feel for the game. The LSU commit is a 6-foot-3 left-handed-hitting infielder who might be one the best pure hitters in the class, benefiting from his time hanging around the Dodgers’ hitting program. He’s the best prospect among many at Corona High School.
Jays are 4th worst right now. Good year to tank as oakland and the chisox cant draft higher then 10th
 
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Honest question. Is tanking a thing in baseball? I always feel like baseball is the haves vs the have nots. Like in soccer.

It's not really. But not because of the gap between the high-powered teams and others. It's more because drafting in baseball is a massive crapshoot and even drafting at the top is not the guarantee you get a marquee, franchise altering player that it is in other sports. It's still easier to rack up good prospects drafting at the top of the board vs further down, but even elite prospects in an MLB draft are far less of a sure thing than they are in hockey, basketball, or football.
 
The jays management would draft the wrong guy. That’s a guarantee. Morons

Glad they still have jobs though
 
What is happening with Richards? Did the league figure him out?
Every year he's horrible for a stretch. This is nothing new for him.

I should add he just picked the absolute worst time of the year to do it
 
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Hope we keep Jansen at least
I don't really trust Kirk to be our main catcher
He's a free agent at seasons end so they can always try and re sign him in the off season. He's an off injured catcher which isn't the recipe for a long successful career and he'll be looking for term I'm sure. He's also been awful with the bat since he returned from injury
 
What catchers are out there on the market? Assuming they are 100% moving on from Jano. Can they roll with Kirk and some backup if they improve the offence enough?
 
What catchers are out there on the market? Assuming they are 100% moving on from Jano. Can they roll with Kirk and some backup if they improve the offence enough?
It's crazy how fast catching went from a strength to a weakness for us. Kirk is a good catcher but ideally, we need someone that can't take a good away of games off of him. Jano is easily the best catcher that'll be available in free agency and I believe the mets are also in need. Not sure we'll be able to do anything more than put a band aid on it for a year.
 
What catchers are out there on the market? Assuming they are 100% moving on from Jano. Can they roll with Kirk and some backup if they improve the offence enough?
Arizona has a pretty good one I hear. :sarcasm:

I'm hoping we can get Dalton Rushing from the Dodgers at the deadline for Kikuchi +. He'd be a solid partner for Kirk as he hits lefty.
 
It's crazy how fast catching went from a strength to a weakness for us. Kirk is a good catcher but ideally, we need someone that can't take a good away of games off of him. Jano is easily the best catcher that'll be available in free agency and I believe the mets are also in need. Not sure we'll be able to do anything more than put a band aid on it for a year.

Still would like to re-sign Jano, but the question is for how long and how much. His offence also cratered the last little while.
 
Still would like to re-sign Jano, but the question is for how long and how much. His offence also cratered the last little while.

I think we kinda have to resign Jano if we want to compete next year which apparently is the goal.

Jano is the top C on the market. Past offseason it was Mitch Garver who got paid the most...he played a similar amount of games as Jano the 3 years prior and had similar production. Although he was 3 years older. He got 2 x 12.

The year before the top guy was Contreras. A year older than Jano but a better hitter and played more games. He got 5 x 17.5.

Based on that, I'm thinking Jano is looking at 3-4 years at around $15m per.
 
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