Blue Jays Discussion: 2024 Season (better title pending)

[RoadWarrior]

Rob and Doug Ford?

Rob isn’t around anymore.

Here’s a hint. A large % of people in Toronto don’t believe in god.

 

[Suntouchable13]

But elite free agents sign there, that’s the difference.

If you don’t want to rebuild that’s fine. But you have to be able to win in free agency and get big names to come here. The Jays are great at getting B+/A- UFA’s to come here but can never get that star guy to commit here.

But how are the Rays doing it? They can't even afford big time free agents. Rays have been a consistent playoff team for a long time. There are no excuses. If the Rays can compete in this division year in and year out, then there are no excuses for anybody. Why can't the Jays be that kind of organization?

 

[shaner8989]

Toronto is an absolute shit hole now. Getting worse by the day. Bums, drugs, tents, garbage. It’s disgusting. Saw a scum bag take a shit on the sidewalk right on younge street broad day light. That’s becoming normal.

Toronto is nothing but a disgusting shit hole

 

[Scintillating10]

Pearson had great promise a few years back

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Jays have had fairly good luck with injuries but this season has been awful. Bad luck or are they doing something wrong?

https://x.com/i/web/status/1817242379356664087

 

[TGB]

Pinango sounds like the sort of return you'd get for Kiermayer. A young, controllable, relief pitcher whom still has a lot of stuff should have been worth more. Either the Jays have always had an interest in this guy or they are sticking hard to the strategy I outlined earlier: they want higher level prospects with a real shot of cracking the MLB roster soon (which they got with the Garcia trade). Or the Cubs got a car salesman negotiating their trades.

Toronto is an absolute shit hole now. Getting worse by the day. Bums, drugs, tents, garbage. It’s disgusting. Saw a scum bag take a shit on the sidewalk right on younge street broad day light. That’s becoming normal.

Toronto is nothing but a disgusting shit hole

Pretty much the entire west coast of the US is far, far worse.

 

[Dr.Funk]

 

[shaner8989]

Cool another 4th outfielder. f***ing trash organization.

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Cool another 4th outfielder. f***ing trash organization.

Would it kill us to at least get one with plus power?

 

[GermanJay]

100%, and it isn’t just 2 top 50 guys, it’s 2 top 25 guys.

He isn’t the face of the franchise if he doesn’t re-sign and if he is, you haven’t won anything with him on his pre-arb and arb salaries, what makes you think you will win with him making close $30M a year, every year. That said, it has nothing to do with wanting to get rid of Vladdy, rather if he isn’t re-signed by now then you have to think the price is too much. I wouldn’t go over $200M, Blair says he is asking for close to $300M. That’s nuts.

Give me the 2 top prospects and $25-30M in payroll space vs Vladdy at that price for 10+ years and the no surplus value you are going to get out of him unless he is a perennial 4+ WAR guy.

It’s a no brainer for me. And if he truly wan to back, then sign him in free agency.

Though Those two Top 25 Guys have only been slightly above average with limited power in AA

 

[canucksfan]

Toronto is an absolute shit hole now. Getting worse by the day. Bums, drugs, tents, garbage. It’s disgusting. Saw a scum bag take a shit on the sidewalk right on younge street broad day light. That’s becoming normal.

Toronto is nothing but a disgusting shit hole

A lot of big cities are like this in North America. Hell, there is a tent city in Prince George BC!

 

[shaner8989]

A lot of big cities are like this in North America. Hell, there is a tent city in Prince George BC!

It’s got significantly worse in the last 3-5 years. As a matter of fact in the last 12 months has seen the biggest difference.

 

[Dr.Funk]

Would it kill us to at least get one with plus power?

Let's remember who and what we are trading here.

I don't see much in the guys we got back for Pearson but he wasn't worth much more than a broken pitching machine and a bag of used balls.

 

[Discoverer]

Rob isn’t around anymore.

Here’s a hint. A large % of people in Toronto don’t believe in god.

Oh no!

 

[shaner8989]

Pretty much the entire west coast of the US is far, far worse.

Ya California is pos forsure.

 

[Anthrax442]

So ... nothing

 

[Canucks LB]

I can’t be the only one disappointed with all these value trades right?

Especially the more I hear about the players they got back.

 

[WeThreeKings]

The fun part is the retool will be an abject failure next year and they'll have no value left on Gausman Bassitt and Berrios because the declining stuff will be very apparent next year at the trade deadline.

This is Marc Bergevin level management by Shatkins

 

[Dr.Funk]

So ... nothing

Pearson isn't worth anything.

As always when you are trading middling guys, you just hope that you get lucky and catch lightning in a bottle.

 

[canucksfan]

I can’t be the only one disappointed with all these value trades right?

Especially the more I hear about the players they got back.

Pearson sucks. They weren't getting much for him.

 

[GermanJay]

So ... nothing

Pearson is 27 and has been worth -0,2 fwar in His career. What do you expect?

The fun part is the retool will be an abject failure next year and they'll have no value left on Gausman Bassitt and Berrios because the declining stuff will be very apparent next year at the trade deadline.

This is Marc Bergevin level management by Shatkins

Question is whether a rebuild Managed by Atkins would be better. Hopefully they Clean House this fall

 

[canucksfan]

The fun part is the retool will be an abject failure next year and they'll have no value left on Gausman Bassitt and Berrios because the declining stuff will be very apparent next year at the trade deadline.

This is Marc Bergevin level management by Shatkins

A retool/trying to compete in 2025 would make sense if the farm system was much better.

Failure to compete in 2025 likely means a complete rebuild which sucks in baseball.

 

[MS]

That godawful last appearance from Pearson where he gave up a walk to the #9 hitter and then forgot to cover 1st on the next play probably sealed his fate.

What a colossal disappointment he turned out to be.

 

[EpochLink]

Nate Pearson is just another what if, guy had stuff early but he became Alek Manoah minus the fat belly.

Can’t say we ain’t losing shit but Pearson was just meh.

 

[the valiant effort]

The fun part is the retool will be an abject failure next year and they'll have no value left on Gausman Bassitt and Berrios because the declining stuff will be very apparent next year at the trade deadline.

This is Marc Bergevin level management by Shatkins

Not to mention hyper-intense high-maintenance guys like Bassitt aren’t on every GM’s radar