Blue Jays Discussion: 2024 Season (better title pending or maybe not ... )

[tmlfan98]

Vlad's trade value is being vastly overestimated by a lot of Jays fans. I suspect it has a lot to do with the fact that he's a big jersey/ticket seller for this team. Unfortunately for Jays fans, his realistic trade value doesn't come close to his casual appeal.

If 2 Fangraphs 50 FV propsects are actually on the table for him (I have my doubts), there is no way to say for certain you can hold onto him to 100% receive better offers later.

Baseball Trade Values: The Trouble with Trading Vlad (and Bo)

The Blue Jays finally appear to be at the point where they’ve thrown in the towel on the season – reportedly, they’re now open to...

www.baseballtradevalues.com

 

[tmlfan98]

 

[stickty111]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1817241976166650087

 

[trellaine201]

See ya. Mr inconsistent. Player to be named later???

 

[canucksfan]

Likely won't get much for him.

 

[Forgotusername]

Likely won't get much for him.

Wouldn't think so, his value has dropped significantly over the years.

 

[Ale Brew]

Wilner says we got 2 prospects with potential.

 

[Dr.Funk]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1817237584877138097

 

[Dr.Funk]

Wilner says we got 2 prospects with potential.

 

[stickty111]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1817249510487187955

Not according to Kiley

 

[shaner8989]

Its a disgrace that this organization is letting these f***s trade everyone. They have failed at every f***ing thing they have done for a decade…… let it continue I guess. Loser franchise

 

[canucksfan]

Jays really need to think beyond 2025. Holes to fill with the bats and relief pitching. The biggest issue is going to be the starting pitching. Gausman's stuff has declined.

https://x.com/i/web/status/1817186096779833565

Berrios as well

https://x.com/i/web/status/1815957086758490616

While I don't have access to a chart Bassitt's stuff has declined as well. It's not a surprise because all three are getting up there and with Berriois it's likely a lot of usage of his arm.

Ultimately going into next season, Jays have three declining arms, with very little depth to replace them. Tiedemann is done for the year and Manoah likely will miss at least half the season and relying on him isn't good enough.

 

[Dr.Funk]

Likely won't get much for him.

 

[canucksfan]

Its a disgrace that this organization is letting these f***s trade everyone. They have failed at every f***ing thing they have done for a decade…… let it continue I guess. Loser franchise

If they fired Atkins, they would replace him with a person within the organization so it wouldn't matter much at this point.

 

[shaner8989]

Starting pitching is a major concern going forward and now add their best prospect as a major question mark….. like I’ve said…. This franchise is in horrible shape

 

[stickty111]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1817251232656036270

So Wilner is half right

 

[canucksfan]

Jays have had fairly good luck with injuries but this season has been awful. Bad luck or are they doing something wrong?

https://x.com/i/web/status/1817242379356664087

 

[stickty111]

We have got okay value on both trades

 

[phillipmike]

Vlad's trade value is being vastly overestimated by a lot of Jays fans. I suspect it has a lot to do with the fact that he's a big jersey/ticket seller for this team. Unfortunately for Jays fans, his realistic trade value doesn't come close to his casual appeal.

If 2 Fangraphs 50 FV propsects are actually on the table for him (I have my doubts), there is no way to say for certain you can hold onto him to 100% receive better offers later.

Baseball Trade Values: The Trouble with Trading Vlad (and Bo)

The Blue Jays finally appear to be at the point where they’ve thrown in the towel on the season – reportedly, they’re now open to...

www.baseballtradevalues.com

100%, and it isn’t just 2 top 50 guys, it’s 2 top 25 guys.

He isn’t the face of the franchise if he doesn’t re-sign and if he is, you haven’t won anything with him on his pre-arb and arb salaries, what makes you think you will win with him making close $30M a year, every year. That said, it has nothing to do with wanting to get rid of Vladdy, rather if he isn’t re-signed by now then you have to think the price is too much. I wouldn’t go over $200M, Blair says he is asking for close to $300M. That’s nuts.

Give me the 2 top prospects and $25-30M in payroll space vs Vladdy at that price for 10+ years and the no surplus value you are going to get out of him unless he is a perennial 4+ WAR guy.

It’s a no brainer for me. And if he truly wan to back, then sign him in free agency.

 

[tmlfan98]

 

[Mike Jones]

We have got okay value on both trades

But no pitchers.

 

[RoadWarrior]

Jays have had fairly good luck with injuries but this season has been awful. Bad luck or are they doing something wrong?

https://x.com/i/web/status/1817242379356664087

God doesn’t like the Blue Jays and perhaps the city of Toronto in general….. we all know why.

 

[Suntouchable13]

God doesn’t like the Blue Jays and perhaps the city of Toronto in general….. we all know why.

At least God let the Raptors to win 2019 out of mercy. I will take it.

 

[canucksfan]

God doesn’t like the Blue Jays and perhaps the city of Toronto in general….. we all know why.

Rob and Doug Ford?

 

[francis246]

Rebuilding doesn't make sense to me. Yanks never rebuild. Boston had a bad year last year, but they are back in a playoff spot this year. TB just always reloads. They can have a bad year, then they are back up the next. Baltimore is the only one who went into the tank for a bit. I am not interested in watching a rebuilding team, especially when it's not necessary.

But elite free agents sign there, that’s the difference.

If you don’t want to rebuild that’s fine. But you have to be able to win in free agency and get big names to come here. The Jays are great at getting B+/A- UFA’s to come here but can never get that star guy to commit here.