Patriots/NFL 2024 Regular Season: Part II - If the NFL season ended today, the Patriots would have the No. 2 pick in the draft

[yazmybaby]

Draft doesnt have many top talents. They say Hunter is more of a CB than a WR.

McMillan is who id want

It should not be that difficult to hit on a starting player every year in the first round of the draft.
What separates the successful teams vs the have nots is the ability to get starters in the subsequent rounds ( IE Green Bay Packers).
And spend some money on decent UFA's.
Blow up the front office, hire Vrabel to work in some capacity with the team.

 

[EverettMike]

Not sure who is filling in for Beetle today, but he opened the show by saying exactly what I did last night, that Mayo's post-game comments could be why he's one-and-done.

 

[smithformeragent]

Not sure who is filling in for Beetle today, but he opened the show by saying exactly what I did last night, that Mayo's post-game comments could be why he's one-and-done.

You're the head coach.
It begins and ends with you.
You want to hold others accountable? Start with yourself.
This guy is so far in over his head.

Patriots' Jerod Mayo Backtracks After Strange Response to Question About Drake Maye

'It was more of a defensive response.'

www.si.com

 

[EverettMike]

You're the head coach.
It begins and ends with you.
You want to hold others accountable? Start with yourself.
This guy is so far in over his head.

Patriots' Jerod Mayo Backtracks After Strange Response to Question About Drake Maye

'It was more of a defensive response.'

www.si.com

I won't fault him for accepting a head coaching position in the NFL, but I will sure as f*** fault the organization for hiring someone who was clearly not ready for the role. Jerod Mayo might end up being a great coach in this league, but maybe he should have been a coordinator first? Guy never even called defensive plays, but now he's in charge of the whole team.

Meanwhile the OC never called offensive plays before!

What are we even doing!??!?!

 

[JRull86]

Jeanty isnt your typical RB. He is the best player in the draft, and far better than anyone you'll get with the extra first you get from trading down.

I understand that, and I do like the player a lot.

But drafting RBs with an early round pick, when you're rebuilding is all time dumb.

 

[yazmybaby]

I understand that, and I do like the player a lot.

But drafting RBs with an early round pick, when you're rebuilding is all time dumb.

RB's are a dime a dozen, not a priority for us.
Better off to sign a UFA, Josh Jacobs, Henry and Mixon are all making 5-5.5M a year, which is peanuts.
We have many other holes to fill on dee and the Offensive line.

 

[RoccoF14]

RB's are a dime a dozen, not a priority for us.
Better off to sign a UFA, Josh Jacobs, Henry and Mixon are all making 5-5.5M a year, which is peanuts.
We have many other holes to fill on dee and the Offensive line.

Jacobs, Henry and Mixon all make way more than 5.5/yr. Jacobs is $12mil, and I think Henry is around $8-10mil. Not sure about Mixon, but he's probably in that range as well.

All 3 of them are worth every penny, too.....

 

[CDJ]

You're the head coach.
It begins and ends with you.
You want to hold others accountable? Start with yourself.
This guy is so far in over his head.

Patriots' Jerod Mayo Backtracks After Strange Response to Question About Drake Maye

'It was more of a defensive response.'

www.si.com

FIRE HIM f***ING NOW

What can he actually do? He’s not a leader, he’s not a good coach, he can’t speak. Just get him tf out of here

He was an NFL linebacker for almost a decade he probably has CTE!

 

[CDJ]

RB's are a dime a dozen, not a priority for us.
Better off to sign a UFA, Josh Jacobs, Henry and Mixon are all making 5-5.5M a year, which is peanuts.
We have many other holes to fill on dee and the Offensive line.

I think *most* running backs are a dime a dozen. Not all of them. I think people have gone too far to the other side on the position.

Like I wouldn’t pay an above average running back good money in free agency but guys like Barkley and Henry are completely transformative for an offense

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

I think *most* running backs are a dime a dozen. Not all of them. I think people have gone too far to the other side on the position.

Like I wouldn’t pay an above average running back good money in free agency but guys like Barkley and Henry are completely transformative for an offense

That's my thought process since Jeanty projects to be that level of impact at RB. He's also a true 3 down back who can catch the ball and block

Also to take the pressure off of Maye. A QBs best friend is a good running game, especially a young one behind a bad o-line. Anything that takes the burden off him to get all the yards and stops defenders from pinning their ears back on the rush is needed.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

 

[RoccoF14]

I think *most* running backs are a dime a dozen. Not all of them. I think people have gone too far to the other side on the position.

Like I wouldn’t pay an above average running back good money in free agency but guys like Barkley and Henry are completely transformative for an offense

I think an elite RB (especially one who can catch passes) transforms an offense just as much as an elite WR does, at 1/2 to 1/3 the price.

Barkley is making around $12.5/yr. AJ Brown? $32/yr.

 

[CDJ]

I think an elite RB (especially one who can catch passes) transforms an offense just as much as an elite WR does, at 1/2 to 1/3 the price.

Barkley is making around $12.5/yr. AJ Brown? $32/yr.

100% this

IMO it’s a market inefficiency now, RB have been too far undervalued

 

[yazmybaby]

I think an elite RB (especially one who can catch passes) transforms an offense just as much as an elite WR does, at 1/2 to 1/3 the price.

Barkley is making around $12.5/yr. AJ Brown? $32/yr.

Excellent comment.
A good WR might catch 7-9 passes a game and a RB get 15-20 rushes and 5-8 catches, way more value with a good RB.....remember what James White did for us as a primarily second and third down RB?

 

[wintersej]

I think Mayo probably has the chops to be a good head coach some day. But there is a reason you work your way up to learn all the skills along the way.

 

[BernieMcAvoy]

The amount of times Mayo has had to walk back comments he has made in one season is crazy. They just need to pull the trigger at the end of the season. I wanted Mayo to work out but he's not close to ready for this and Kraft's vanity project has been a failure. 4-13 got Belichick fired and unless the Bills rest guys on week 18, this team will be worse than they were last year.


Huge regression on defense and the offense only marginally getting better despite drafting your franchise qb and having another year to add talent while all but one of your draft picks look terrible is what you expect from a coaching and front office staff that was put together for as cheaply as possible.

 

[Shaun]

hightower was way better than mayo ever was

 

[BernieMcAvoy]

I wasn't impressed by Marvin Harrison jr yesterday. For a guy that was given the generational tag, he looked more like a guy that is on the same tier as Michael Pittman. Solid wr, will have some 1,000 yard seasons but isn't a true top tier wr. Bowers, Nabers, Thomas and McConkey have all looked like better weapons than him as a rookie and it's not like you can use the qb as an excuse. Kyler isn't great but he's a solid starting qb.

 

[RoccoF14]

100% this

IMO it’s a market inefficiency now, RB have been too far undervalued

Totally agree, and some of the smarter front offices (GB, HOU, BAL, MN, DET, PHI) are starting to take advantage of that.

I DON'T think that RB and WR should be compensated evenly, primarily due to durability concerns, however the pay gap is far too wide at the moment. I'd argue that the WR salaries are far too high..

 

[McGarnagle]

hightower was way better than mayo ever was

Most underrated play in NFL history was Hightower's shoestring tackle of Marshawn Lynch at the one yard line the play before the Butler interception

 

[GatorMike]

For what it's worth, I think there's some value in ownership demonstrating that in a post-Belichick world, they're not going to be reactionary and impatient.

Give Wolff and Mayo another year. Bring in experienced coordinators if you want to shake things up. Give them a chance to grow, and if things don't improve in Year 2, then you move on.

 

[RoccoF14]

Excellent comment.
A good WR might catch 7-9 passes a game and a RB get 15-20 rushes and 5-8 catches, way more value with a good RB.....remember what James White did for us as a primarily second and third down RB?

See the link below. Of the Top 20 players leading the league in Yards from Scrimmage. 17 are RBs and 3 are WRs. Chase is #6, Jefferson is #14, and Lamb is #15. Tony Pollard, who Dallas DIDN'T want to re-sign, is 10th. I haven't done the math, but I'd guess that those 3 WRs make more money than the other 17 RBs on that list, combined.

NFL Yards From Scrimmage Leaders 2024 | StatMuse

Saquon Barkley has gained the most yards from scrimmage this season, with 1,964 yards.

www.statmuse.com

 

[JRull86]

For what it's worth, I think there's some value in ownership demonstrating that in a post-Belichick world, they're not going to be reactionary and impatient.

Give Wolff and Mayo another year. Bring in experienced coordinators if you want to shake things up. Give them a chance to grow, and if things don't improve in Year 2, then you move on.

If there were glimmers of hope, or you saw a team that improved as the season progressed even if they lost, I'd agree with you. You'd chalk is up to talent.

But that's not happening. They've somehow regressed, they are making the same dumb mistakes every week. They look unprepared every week. Mayo looks totally lost out there. Has zero coaching instinct. Says idiotic shit on his post game comments, then goes on the radio Monday morning and takes it all back.

His job is to lead. He's not a leader. He's a finger pointer.

The entire operation needed to be reset last year, instead they promoted a bunch of guys already here. It didn't make sense the , and it won't get any better.

I don't think franchises that chew through coaches on a seemingly yearly basis are a model to copy, but in this case it needs to happen.

There isn't a single redeeming quality to Mayo as the head coach of a rebuilding program. I honestly cannot think of a single one.

 

[McGarnagle]

I think Kraft is a fool for putting Mayo in this situation, having no experience, a roster with major flaws, and the weight of having to succeed the greatest coach in NFL history on his shoulders. He was set up to fail.

I don't think he's doing well and wouldn't be opposed to replacing him. He seems like a guy who needs to be a coordinator a little longer under an established coach to mentor him (and I don't think Bill was particularly concerned with that the last few years here).

I doubt Kraft was interested in the Harbaugh bidding war last off-season, and I suspect he wanted a rookie coach because he wanted someone who wouldn't talk back or have ideas of his own on how football operations should run.

I still feel like Vrabel was the guy they should've got. He has ties to the organization, bringing continuity while also having a track record of success outside of Foxboro and is respected around the league. Shocked that he didn't land a job this year, but given that NFL head coaches generally only get a couple chances, you have to be selective about the opportunities that do come up. If they do choose to move on from Jerod, Vrabel may still be out there as an option.

 

[Seidenbergy]

I think Mayo probably has the chops to be a good head coach some day.

If you weren't a fan of the pats, would you say the same? As a neutral observer, I can't think of a single thing he's shown that would give me much optimism.