Red Sox/MLB 2024 Playoffs: Sox finish .500 - MLB legend Pete Rose has died at the age of 83

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Fenway

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I am conflicted about Pete Rose

Something to remember about Pete Rose: he’s in the Hall of Fame. There is a sizable collection of his artifacts and numerous displays in the museum. What the HOF doesn’t have is his plaque in the Plaque Room. That’s it.

The truth is, if he had been contrite he could have turned into one of baseball’s best ambassadors. He could have been the one leading the way on promoting to others a way out of gambling addiction.

He didn’t.

If you don’t think he could have pulled that off, just look at what Alex Rodriguez has done to resurrect his image.
 
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LSCII

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Dear lord this is hilarious

Chaim Bloom has no business running an organization like the Cardinals. He was never even head guy in Tampa, failed miserably in Boston. He should be an assistant GM or at BEST the lead guy in Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Oakland.
How did he “fail miserably in Boston”? He did exactly what ownership wanted him to do, and the dude who replaced him is continuing that same trajectory. Bloom wasn’t the issue, it was Henry and co not wanting to spend any money.

I am conflicted about Pete Rose

Something to remember about Pete Rose: he’s in the Hall of Fame. There is a sizable collection of his artifacts and numerous displays in the museum. What the HOF doesn’t have is his plaque in the Plaque Room. That’s it.

The truth is, if he had been contrite he could have turned into one of baseball’s best ambassadors. He could have been the one leading the way on promoting to others a way out of gambling addiction.

He didn’t.

If you don’t think he could have pulled that off, just look at what Alex Rodriguez has done to resurrect his image.
He’s one of the biggest dirtbags to have ever lived. No hall for him. The gambling was bad but he’s done far worse and doesn’t belong.
 

CDJ

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How did he “fail miserably in Boston”? He did exactly what ownership wanted him to do, and the dude who replaced him is continuing that same trajectory. Bloom wasn’t the issue, it was Henry and co not wanting to spend any money.


He’s one of the biggest dirtbags to have ever lived. No hall for him. The gambling was bad but he’s done far worse and doesn’t belong.
It’s the underage women accusations for me that’s a disqualifier
 
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Ludwig Fell Down

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I am conflicted about Pete Rose

Something to remember about Pete Rose: he’s in the Hall of Fame. There is a sizable collection of his artifacts and numerous displays in the museum. What the HOF doesn’t have is his plaque in the Plaque Room. That’s it.

The truth is, if he had been contrite he could have turned into one of baseball’s best ambassadors. He could have been the one leading the way on promoting to others a way out of gambling addiction.

He didn’t.

If you don’t think he could have pulled that off, just look at what Alex Rodriguez has done to resurrect his image.
I still love his game and his attitude when he played. But I have zero sympathy for him. He had a hundred opportunities to apologize and admit wrongdoing, and waited until he wrote a book and then offered a tepid apology. Hubris was his worst enemy.
 
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GatorMike

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It’s the underage women accusations for me that’s a disqualifier
Rose a a bad guy.

There are plenty of bad guys in the HOF.

MLB has always been very clear about what the punishment for gambling is. I've yet to hear a compelling case for why Pete Rose should be let off the hook when others haven't been.
 
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Johnnyduke

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How did he “fail miserably in Boston”? He did exactly what ownership wanted him to do, and the dude who replaced him is continuing that same trajectory. Bloom wasn’t the issue, it was Henry and co not wanting to spend any money.
Nobody ever says ownership isn't part of the problem. Nobody. But Chaim Bloom was also not good at his job. Both are true.
 

Johnnyduke

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I have no problem with Pete Rose not being in the Hall of Fame. It's perfectly fine that everyone realizes he was a hall of fame talent who did the one thing you just can't do. Even now if you told people he bet on baseball they would probably assume he just bet on other games. If it was just betting on other games I might feel differently especially in the gambling obsessed world we live in. But this dude gambled on games he was managing. It directly impacts the integrity of the game.

I suppose you could then draw a parallel to athletes doing PEDs or the Astros/Patriots cheating scandals as those also compromise the integrity of games so I do understand it's murky to some. At least in those cases you are doing something to gain an advantage in competition. That isn't the same as going all out to win a particular game you bet on and then potentially not caring about the next game where you didn't bet.
 
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