The Grissom trade is a smart move by Breslow given the limited resources, but the team clearly has needs that can be fixed if the team was willing to throw money around. But for some unknown reason, John Henry and co have decided that they are content with not spending money and charging fans more money for admission. It's disgusting that this ownership group is treating this team the way Werner treated the Padres in the late 80s and early 90s. This is the Boston Red Sox damn it. Not some podunk team in the middle of a flyover state.
Red Sox/MLB 2024 Off-Season Part 3: Full Throttle Edition: Sale Dealt to Braves
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The Grissom trade is a smart move by Breslow given the limited resources, but the team clearly has needs that can be fixed if the team was willing to throw money around. But for some unknown reason, John Henry and co have decided that they are content with not spending money and charging fans more money for admission. It's disgusting that this ownership group is treating this team the way Werner treated the Padres in the late 80s and early 90s. This is the Boston Red Sox damn it. Not some podunk team in the middle of a flyover state.
Honest question. Which Top End players besides Ohtani and Yamamoto, have come off the board that you feel the Sox should have been in on? Because in my opinion, calling them cheap because they chose not to drop $1 billion on those two guys is a bit harsh.
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smithformeragent
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They used to ask Jeremy Jacobs about his team’s chance of contending and his go to line was that they’d be “highly competitive”.
This is where things are at with the Red Sox.
They’ve done their winning and the economics are out of control on the player side of things so they’ll simply operate at the middle of the market.
Win between 80 and 90 games. If things break their way, maybe make a run. If not, sell 30,000 seats per gate, including all of the concerts they schedule when the team is on the west coast.
This is where things are at with the Red Sox.
They’ve done their winning and the economics are out of control on the player side of things so they’ll simply operate at the middle of the market.
Win between 80 and 90 games. If things break their way, maybe make a run. If not, sell 30,000 seats per gate, including all of the concerts they schedule when the team is on the west coast.
LSCII
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They could have easily moved him at the deadline for far better if they wanted. Or they could have let him walk because it's not a big deal for this organization to eat money. Why do so many fans like yourself get geeked up over this team essentially getting worse and dumping salary? It's a weird f***ing dynamic, man. Really weird. Like yeah!! A billionaire jackwagon just saved some money and made the team worse in the process. I love when his profit margin goes up and the talent on the field goes down. Where can I get tickets?
Yikes.
LSCII
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That's a complete f***ing slap in the face. They were middle of the pack last year and will be middle of the pack this year despite having one of the highest priced tickets in all of MLB. It's insulting to watch these f***ing criminals cheap out year after year and give the fans a last place team consistently. I can't blame Henry though because the sheep keep going and paying the prices.
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They gotta shed some more salary before going full throttle.
LSCII
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It has nothing to do with signing or not signing Ohtani or Yamamoto, because in reality they were never going to do either. They wanted fans to think they were but they weren't even going to be near any offer that was acceptable.
In reality, their cheap because they've pared down their payroll at the expense of on field talent consistently (Lester, Betts, Bogaerts) and still charge one of the top 3 ticket prices in all of baseball. They just dumped Sale's salary for a low end prospect, and they're saying they need to cut even more before they sign anyone else. All while they've finished in last place far too frequently and given the fans a really shitty on field product.
If adding Vaughn Grissom, a cooked Giolito, and minor leaguer Crispy Cream is full throttle. I don't want to see what them being "frugal" looks like.
In reality, they dumped a shitload of money in Verdugo's contract and Sale's money already. This ownership group f***ing blows. They have alligator arms.
Jung Hoo Lee was someone I hoped that the Sox would take a look at and I consider him to be a top end free agent. It looks like the Sox are also out on Imanaga, Montgomery, Stroman, and Snell. All of whom I consider to be big ticket signings when it comes to pitchers. They're also lost out on grabbing Yariel Rodriguez who, while not a big name, is a decent player to get for the price. It doesn't look like the Sox are in on Bellinger or Chapman either. Two players that could transform the Red Sox offense if you even got one of them.
Lol at me being "geeked up" but that's par for the course with you. Chris Sale is not dependable and not worth whatever upside he allegedly has. So yes I am good with dumping salary and picking up a good prospect at a position of need. Has absolutely nothing to do with John Henry saving money. You've missed the point as usual. If the team doesn't use the tons of money they have available then I am right here saying John Henry needs to sell the team.
Remember when people on here scolded Red Sox fans for saying Red Sox ownership was going cheap? Looks like the uninformed talk radio listeners are right again.
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Why is their payroll so high when they suck? Devers…… ok……..?????
LSCII
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It’s not though. It was middle of the pack in mlb last year and is projected to be there again this season. And all they’ve done so far this off season is cut money. What you’re seeing is pure unadulterated greed by Henry and co.
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I'm not carrying water for this ownership group. I have serious concerns with the attention and resources they're giving baseball ops. But I'm also being patient to see what Breslow can do. Like the Sale deal yesterday was big, and it came out of nowhere. I doubt Breslow and AA just woke up on Saturday morning and banged it out in a half hour chat, that had to be in the works for weeks and just wasn't leaked by all the twitter journalists who spend their days posting about "interest" in every free agent. They're probably working on a lot, but things take time and I do believe Boras has the whole market in gridlock since he controls all the top pitchers left.
All these new "inside" reports about them cutting payroll and being cheap or whatever, I'm not sure I buy on face value because the journalists are probably getting chuffed about the lack of leaks and not getting the scoop on the Sale trade.
All these new "inside" reports about them cutting payroll and being cheap or whatever, I'm not sure I buy on face value because the journalists are probably getting chuffed about the lack of leaks and not getting the scoop on the Sale trade.
The fact that this organization is actually acting like we're a poor franchise is why I dont trust them. We're the f***ing Boston Red Sox. We are a big market team. Act like it
I don't know what some people expect fans to do. The team is coming off back to back last place finishes. It is simply not realistic to expect fans to be patient and have confidence that the organization knows what it's doing.
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LSCII
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Why is that? I mean look at what they've done this off season so far? They dumped Verdugo and his 9 mill plus arbitration eligible season (where he would have absolutely gotten a raise) going into his free agency in 25 for minor league stiffs. They then dumped Sale and his 27.5 mill for Vaugh Grissom's 700K and added Giolito really on a 1 year 19 mill deal. So 36.5 mill out, 19.7 mill in.
Doesn't seem like some made up report because reporters are mad. It's all right in front of your eyes.
Donnie Shulzhoffer
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It’s a conspiracy. And we will get to the bottom of this if we have to go right to the top!
LSCII
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At SS it is, at 2B it will be fine. He’s a very highly regarded talent. There’s a reason why multiple impartial outlets/evaluators posted in here are giving them an A on this deal.
Sale has started 31 games in 4 years and got a stress fracture when he tried to dial his fastball up this year, are you really going to pretend you’re mad about this? I get being mad at ownership. This trade is objectively a good one though. He raked in 2022 when they needed him to jump straight to the majors from AA to cover for Albies and then last year he was blocked because he is very clearly not a SS and the Braves have Albies at 2B and Riley at 3B. He proceeded to demolish the ball in AAA as a 22 YO.
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EverettMike
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Worst case he plays left field, but seems like he'll be fine at second which is huge if he hits.
Mr Cartmenez
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I am not believing anything anymore. Casas was sold as a + defender. Seems like Grisham is at least athletic. You can always work on defense and the Braves rushed him a little bit. And on top of it, 2B is probably one of the least important defensive positions on the diamond.
I still like the trade in a vacuum (it's a trade that feels like could have been had multiple times at the deadline and prior, but Bloom would flat out refuse to pull the trigger).
I have bigger issues if they don't re-invest the savings and won't spend to the tax.
By the way: Happy New Year, guys.
GatorMike
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FWIW, I read an article from Keith Law that suggested Grissom is likely to be an average to slightly above average defensive 2B.
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