Patriots/NFL 2024 Off Season - Mac Jones Traded to Jacksonville - QB Jacoby Brissett signs 1-year contract
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If you aren't comfortable drafting a potential franchise QB at #3, then I don't know if you ever will be. I think you either gotta go QB, or trade down for a bag of picks, to a team who does have the balls to go QB.
BigBadBruins7708
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If Williams and Daniels go 1 and 2 then MHJ over Maye at 3 is an easy call
KrejciMVP
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GatorMike
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GatorMike
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1. I don't agree with this.
2. The choice shouldn't be Maye vs. Harrison. The choice should be Maye vs. a boatload of draft picks from some other team.
Again, if the first round ends, and all the Patriots have to show for it is one non-QB, then that's an organizational failure.
Look, I'm not a Pats fan, so I really don't care who they draft. There's an element of risk in whoever you take, but for me, if you think you can grab a potential franchise QB, you take that risk. An elite QB makes your whole offense better and makes you a Super Bowl contender. An elite WR by itself doesn't. ie: Calvin Johnson/Andre Johnson/AJ Green.
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3 for 6/39/70 and the Giants first pick next year. Gets you a top 12 (pats) and top 20 (giants) next year to move on a QB if they are not sold on Maye. They grab Alt at 6 and then grab best player ( they need Athletes!) avail in second (2 picks) and third(2 picks). Hope I am wrong but I think they (at this point) really like Daniels and if he is gone then they just shuffle the cards.
GatorMike
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For shits and grins, I decided to pull the pre-draft scouting reports on some current NFL QBs just to see what they said about these guys prior to the draft...Try to guess who this is. I'll put the answer at the bottom.
QB #1
Answer: Patrick Mahomes
QB #1
Overview
XXXXXX is a big, confident quarterback who brings a variety of physical tools to the party, but he's developed some bad habits and doesn't have a very repeatable process as a passer. xxxxxxxs' ability to improvise and extend plays can lead to big plays for his offense, but he will have to prove he can operate with better anticipation and be willing to take what the defense gives him in order to win from the pocket. xxxxxx will be a work in progress, but he's a high ceiling, low floor prospect.Strengths
- Possesses NFL body type for work inside and out of the pocket
- Has an undeniable swagger and confidence to his game
- Accuracy has improved in each season since his freshman year
- Naturally accurate in his every day throws
- Comfortable challenging defenders in space
- Has arm strength and fearlessness to attack the cover-2 voids down the sideline
- Can make deep, field side throws
- Cranks up velocity to fit passes into tight windows
- Former pitcher who propels hips through his release with aggressive torque and never gets cheated on his follow-through
- Can deliver strikes from a variety of arm angles
- Expedites release on RPOs (run-pass option) or when pressure is mounting in pocket
- Puts effort into play-action fakes
- Relaxed and effective when throwing on the move
- Can be a legitimate dual-threat in a boot-action offense
- Improved his eye manipulation over the years and will eyeball linebackers to hold them while patterns unfold around them
- Has pocket mobility to escape pressure and the poise to extend plays and find alternate targets
- Hands are very strong
- Can pump and reset without issues
- Competes as a runner and is willing to go the extra mile for the first down
Weaknesses
- Can be inconsistent in his approach
- Needs to play inside the offense and show more discipline
- Too eager to go big game hunting
- Ravenous appetite for the explosive play can also bring unwanted trouble
- Willingness to default to playground style appears to limit his ability to get into a consistent rhythm
- Needs to improve anticipatory reads and learn to take what the defense gives him
- Decision making can go from good to bad in a moment's notice
- Operates from a narrow base and allows his upper body and arm to race ahead of his feet
- Has a dip and wind-up in his standard release
- Explosive delivery and follow-through causes some throws to sail
- Needs better touch on intermediate and deep balls
- Carries ball a little low in the pocket
- Impatient
- Will leave pocket prematurely rather than standing in and winning in rhythm
- Better as a scrambler than pure runner
- Looked a little less mobile in the open field this season
Answer: Patrick Mahomes
ON3M4N
Ignores/60 = Elite
I want them to get rid of Zappe just so we can end this pissing contest which QB sucks less. Neither guy is our solution at QB.
QB #2
Answer: Justin Herbert
Overview
Big, talented full-field scanner able to find the right read and sling it around the yard from the pocket or on the move. xxxxx rushed throws in 20xx, but he showed marked improvement in that area, excluding the Auburn opener. He trusts his protection while working through coverages and route development and has big-boy arm talent and drive velocity to stress and impress defenses. He's confident attacking downfield, but touch throws evade him and may have created tentativeness with certain short and intermediate throws. Ball placement requires additional emphasis, but upgrading to NFL skill talent could help him bloom. xxxxx has a high ceiling and is the most physically gifted quarterback in the draft, but he doesn't have as many "wow" plays as expected for someone with his traits, experience and potential.Strengths
- Great size with filled-out, pro-ready frame
- Full-field reader with experience in pro passing concepts
- Operates with pre-snap plan and recognizes matchup advantages
- Play-actions are bought and sold
- Ball tucked near frame when scanning
- Scans crisply through full slate of progressions without panic
- Eyeballs deep safety, keeping him planted midfield
- Played with better poise and calmer feet than in 2018
- Throwing process is well-balanced, quiet and repeatable
- Rocket arm can beat rangy safeties and keep tight windows alive
- Able to alter arm slots to work around traffic
- Fluid stride and throw rolling in either direction
- Has zone-read ability and can roll downhill once he's flushed from the pocket
- Put three rushing touchdowns on Wisconsin in the Rose Bowl
Weaknesses
- Disappointing impact as passer over final four games
- Play is more mechanical than maestro
- Scouts say he leads by example but is not a commanding presence
- Has issues finding touch on his tool belt
- Flat throws found linebackers with interceptions/deflections
- Toggles between caution and worry attacking first two levels
- Uneasy challenging zone corners on high/low combos
- Needs to trust his eyes and let it go in rhythm
- Ball placement to lead receivers can be better
- Deep shots and fades need more air under the ball
- Struggles to escape sudden pressure
Answer: Justin Herbert
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QB #3
Like Dak Prescott before him, xxxxx enters the league with dual-threat capabilities but is more of a pocket passer with the ability to extend plays or win with his legs when needed. He was up and down in 2020, but a bounce-back performance against Clemson -- including an impressive second half after suffering an injury -- said a lot about his toughness and leadership. He sees the field fairly well inside the xxxxxxx quarterback-friendly offense but needs to become a full-field reader and prevent his eyes from becoming transfixed on primary targets. He sticks open throws with accuracy and velocity thanks to a sturdy platform and good drive mechanics. Hes also comfortable throwing into intermediate holes of a zone. A slower operation time and a lack of a twitchy trigger will require him to work with better anticipation and pressure recognition pre- and post-snap. He takes more sacks than coaches will be comfortable with but he also digs his way out of holes and creates explosive plays. xxxxx operates with a quiet confidence and has experience overcoming adversity. He should continue to improve and become a solid NFL starter within a couple of seasons.
QB#4
Answer: Jordan Love
Like Dak Prescott before him, xxxxx enters the league with dual-threat capabilities but is more of a pocket passer with the ability to extend plays or win with his legs when needed. He was up and down in 2020, but a bounce-back performance against Clemson -- including an impressive second half after suffering an injury -- said a lot about his toughness and leadership. He sees the field fairly well inside the xxxxxxx quarterback-friendly offense but needs to become a full-field reader and prevent his eyes from becoming transfixed on primary targets. He sticks open throws with accuracy and velocity thanks to a sturdy platform and good drive mechanics. Hes also comfortable throwing into intermediate holes of a zone. A slower operation time and a lack of a twitchy trigger will require him to work with better anticipation and pressure recognition pre- and post-snap. He takes more sacks than coaches will be comfortable with but he also digs his way out of holes and creates explosive plays. xxxxx operates with a quiet confidence and has experience overcoming adversity. He should continue to improve and become a solid NFL starter within a couple of seasons.
Strengths
- Toughness/willingness to do what it takes is always on display.
- Never lost a Big Ten game as a starter.
- Vast improvement in 2020 with fumbles per snap.
- Good size with stout lower body to stave off sacks/tackles.
- Lateral footwork to side-step downhill blitzers.
- Usually finds a firm, sturdy passing base beneath him.
- Plenty of zip for long, field-side throws.
- Attention to drive mechanics generates velocity when needed.
- Makes quality reads when deciphering high-low concepts.
- Confident and comfortable throwing into intermediate zone windows.
- Willing to take a big hit to deliver a pass.
- Good command and accuracy on boot action to the right.
- Keeps defenses honest with his legs.
- Picks up tough yards on the ground when team needs it.
Weaknesses
- Needs to improve pocket mobility for clean launch points.
- Below-average feel for edge pressure, running himself into pressure points.
- Field vision is average in face of the blitz.
- Missed open blitz beaters in the middle of the field against Indiana.
- Gradual operation time prevents expedited release.
- Needs to release ball earlier on anticipatory throws.
- Needs to improve eye manipulation as a pro.
- Stagnant eyes invite coverage to the passing party.
- Forces receivers to slow for deep throws.
- Pet spin move as runner got him clocked against Clemson.
QB#4
Overview
Challenging evaluation for quarterback-needy teams balancing traits and potential against disappointing 2019 tape. Staff turnover and new starters across the offense are partly to blame for his regression, but self-made flaws in process were also concerns. xxxxx's accuracy took a step back, and his delayed reaction from "see it" to "throw it" when making reads is troubling. He has the arm to stick throws into tight windows but needs better eye discipline and anticipation to keep windows open. His size, mobility and arm talent combined with his 2018 flashes could be a winning hand that leads a team into the future or a siren's song of erratic play and unfulfilled potential.Strengths
- Tall in the pocket and smooth, natural thrower
- Keeps ball tucked and secure while scanning the field
- Tight spirals come from a variety of arm slots
- Offenses built upon intermediate and deep reads/throws
- Confident passer attacking between the hashes
- Makes athletic pocket exits when scrambling
- Good open-field vision and speed to move the sticks
- Arm strength to dime it into windows
- Drops deeps balls in with plenty of air and touch
- In 2018, trusted big receivers to make plays on 50/50s
- Arm talent and swagger to attack field side Cover 2 hole
- Has access to expedited, compact release when pressured
Weaknesses
- Consistency and production took massive step backward in 2019
- Looping windup part of slower operation time
- Too much staring and telegraphing
- Six games with multiple interceptions, including three pick-sixes
- Below-average decision-making against zone looks
- Allowed coverage to swarm due to lack of anticipation
- Unusually spotty ball placement forced targets to work for catches
- Completed just 31.8 percent of his deep throws
- Doesn't slide to safer launch points enough
- Will void viable pockets at times
- Needs to use eyes to hold safeties longer
- Issues bringing in off-target snaps, leading to fumbles
Answer: Jordan Love
QB#5
Answer: CJ Stroud
Overview
Two-year starter from a program with a high-octane offense known for creating high-level production opportunities for its quarterbacks. xxxxxx’s accuracy stands out on tape. He’s able to lead receivers with good placement and make on-frame throws to targets on all areas of the field. The question now is how quickly he will acclimate outside of the xxxxxxx scheme. xxxxxx didn’t often attack defenses with his legs, but if he can become a more willing runner, he will be able to extend drives rather than feeling forced into more challenging decision-making situations. NFL teams will have to balance what they saw on tape from xxxxxxx during the 20xx regular season against his great College Football Playoff semifinal performance, when he shined versus xxxxxxxx’s impressive collection pro prospects. If he did it once he can do it again, and grading the flashes for xxxxxx might make the most sense.Strengths
- Doesn’t hesitate to attack with his throws.
- Has the arm strength to air out the deep ball toward the sideline with accuracy.
- Played the game of his career against Georgia in College Football Playoff semifinal.
- Showed willingness to extend and make plays outside the pocket against Georgia.
- Finds his way back to platform throws when forced to move his feet.
- Tapes shows ability to get through progressions.
- Enough arm talent to pump, reset and then release.
- The most naturally accurate top-tier quarterback in the 2023 draft class.
- Puts it on frame, allowing receivers to catch in stride and keep rolling.
- Showed maturity as game manager at times during 2022 season.
Weaknesses
- Hesitance to use his legs can put a cap on his success rate.
- Labors to get squared to target when rolling out.
- Needs a clearer scan for potential pressure points near the line of scrimmage.
- Needs to play with better recognition and respect for safeties.
- Inconsistent activating lower-body torque on drive throws.
- Interceptions arise when he refuses to come off primary receiver.
Answer: CJ Stroud
I love scouting reports. It's amazing how bad some of them are despite watching hundreds of hours of tape and making it a full time job. I found recent ones of drake maye that were almost word-for-word identical to one for 2016 bust Paxton lynch.
Nobody has a clue how these guys will do in the nfl. It's almost all luck.
Nobody has a clue how these guys will do in the nfl. It's almost all luck.
Last one....
QB#6
Answer: Brock Purdy
QB#6
Overview
Four-year starter who was never able to improve upon a stellar sophomore campaign. xxxx is a burly pocket quarterback who needs a play-action based offense where he can rely on timing over release quickness and arm strength. He can be a confident passer when he finds his rhythm, but throwing is more of a chore than a talent thanks to a labored release. Certain areas of the field will be off limits as he moves up to take on NFL coverage talent. He's a scrappy runner but not dynamic enough to make up for his shortcomings as a passer.Strengths
- Four-year starter and team leader.
- Different quarterback when he finds his rhythm.
- Makes his way through progressions.
- Strong hands allow for easy pump fakes to move defenders.
- Generally accurate passer between the numbers.
- Confident throwing over linebackers and in front of safeties.
- Good toughness and anticipation as a runner.
- Willing to dive to move the chains.
Weaknesses
- Pocket setup lacks quickness.
- Field blinders occasionally rob him of seeing the big play.
- Delivery is labored.
- Lacks timing to beat NFL corners outside the numbers.
- Shies away from tight-window throws.
- Ball needs to come out sooner on deep-ball shots.
- Confidence and consistency have been issues.
Answer: Brock Purdy
LSCII
Cup driven
Seen way too many quarterbacks at the top of the draft never amount to shit when teams have drafted for need. Look at the Trevor Lawrence draft and all the QBs taken in that one. How many are still with their original team now?
And Brock Purdy isn’t a great quarterback. He’s an average one that has a great line and amazing receivers. You put him on the Pats and they look the same as last year.
I think a LOT of it has to do with coaching and the team/system around you, as well....
Tough to say, Lonnie. Way too many variables.
There are some who would have said that Tom Brady doesn't become the player he is, if he ended up getting drafted by the Detroit Lions.......Food for thought.
KrejciMVP
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But you can pick the correct one and he turns a franchise around like Stroud did. No draft in pro sports is a sure thing
GatorMike
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LSCII
Cup driven
And yet Houston didn’t want Stroud by all reports. They had Bryce Young higher in their draft board and would have taken him had he been there. So luck played a huge part.
GatorMike
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Yes.
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What if Jerod traded Mac Jones to Jacksonville on purpose so Ridley would think twice about re-upping with the Jaguars?
4D chess
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