Prospect Info: 2024 NHL Draft Thread

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StevenToddIves

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1) no not really (i've got him late 1st/early 2nd), but his consolidated ranking is around our pick, as well as bob's most recent placement, so i figured he made sense to include

2) pettersson, boilard, villeneueve, spellacy. pettersson is the only one i think has boom potential and has shown the best overall this year, boilard is the one i trust the most even if he isn't as exciting, villeneuve is more of a wild card but offers a unique game and could have a big rebound year, spellacy is more limited in terms of his actual game but what he does (skate, forecheck) he does at a very high level. i would argue you a bit on bednarik being eriksson tier, i like pettersson more than him and think he's in the mix of boilard/villeneuve

3) i dont rule ANYTHING out with these type of defenders, never mind ones picked out of russia. karpovich hitting 186 is all the confirmation of that i need lol. and even beyond him, luneau mid 2nd in 22, svozil early 3rd in 21, and so on were all comically low for their projections
We'll have to remember to argue Bednarik vs. Pettersson in 5 years after we're done arguing Ustinkov vs. Muggli haha. Keep in mind I only have Muggli I think 7 slots behind Ustinkov, but it's still a fun debate.

I don't know what I'd do if Shuravin fell to the Devils in Round 3. So much potential there at LD, and exactly the kind of player Fitzgerald seems to seek out.
 

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We'll have to remember to argue Bednarik vs. Pettersson in 5 years after we're done arguing Ustinkov vs. Muggli haha. Keep in mind I only have Muggli I think 7 slots behind Ustinkov, but it's still a fun debate.

I don't know what I'd do if Shuravin fell to the Devils in Round 3. So much potential there at LD, and exactly the kind of player Fitzgerald seems to seek out.
my palms would start getting all sweaty if we hit the 60s and hes still there lol
 

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Jeez, I just had the rankings out and already I have one dude asking me on his pod-cast and another dude trying to hook me up with the editor at a major NHL prospect page.

Hey @evnted -- get your list out, we'll get you a job yet!
its certainly felt like weve had some extra eyes on the board this year. the poor program i work on is already understaffed as is, i wouldnt have the heart to tell them id be ditching them to write about draft prospects (as fun as that may be lol)
 

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A few of the main draft guides have been released now. Some rankings of note for Devils fans:

MBS
- Wheeler: 14
- Pronman: 17
- Elite Prospects: 16

Helenius
- W: 10
- P: 14
- EP: 11

Catton
- W: 8
- P: 6
- EP: 8

Sennecke
- W: 17
- P: 7
- EP: 9

Lindstrom (no publication thinks he'll make it to 10+)
- W: 11
- P: 10
- EP 3
Ok, my rankings are out so I'm ready for this debate.

STI:
Nygard: 6
Helenius: 7
Catton: 15
Sennecke: 22
Lindstrom: 3

Definitely a bit different. But keep in mind all of these writers had Lekkerimaki over Yurov, I had the opposite. Or Holtz over Jarvis. Or Broberg over Seider.

None of this is a guarantee I'm right. I'm also the guy who had Jake Wise in his top 10.

But what I'm saying is that I'm right often enough when bucking the consensus that I'm at least worth hearing out my reasoning when I do it.
 

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- yes, i'm using bob as an example. he is an above average goalie on a big ass contract, the kind of contract that i imagine keeps you up at night. if florida lifts the cup, and i hope they do because f*** canada, you can ask florida fans if it was worth giving him $10m a year, let me know what they say.

- you are just imagining scenarios at this point and then arguing against them. don't say "we're discussing the same goalies"- i didn't mention saros, i didn't mention ullmark, nor did i say we would or should be signing them to 8 year deals worth $9 million. you're having the argument you want at this point, without reading or understanding what i'm saying.

-i'm sure every guy slated to go in the first round has a lot of potential, that's great. but there's absolutely no guarantees, i would hope that even you would acknowledge that. bringing in a proven goalie is way more of a guarantee.

-"if prospect will be good, we will have first line talent, cost controlled, for 7-11 years". hmmm ok. "if goalie will be good, we will have 3 stanley cups over next 7 years". i can make wild hypotheticals too, it holds absolutely no weight. what do you imagine contributes to our next cup win more? a goalie who can stop 9 out of 10 shots? or some teenager we draft this summer?

-according to your logic, we could win a cup with or without stellar goaltending; therefore, we should not bother with a goalie because it's a coin toss. what if we acquire depth through FA like a normal team AND bring in a reliable goalie? is that allowed? putting ourselves in the best possible position to be successful? for the third (although i fear not the last) time, it doesn't have to be one or the other.

- "teams like colorado and carolina did pretty okay with georgiev and anderson"...so that's good, yet you also say the rangers f***ed it all up (even though they went further than colorado or carolina) with igor because of a lack of depth. so once again, by your logic, the rangers should sell off igor and spend the $8-$9 million he'll command on depth and acquire a jake allen type goalie. surely, that will end their draught. give me a break. the rangers spend most of their money on soft, perimeter, one dimensional guys who disappear in the playoffs. that's where they're wasting their money, not on igor.

- you might have missed this, but nemec played quite a few games last year and did not look out of place for the most part. he is not a mystery box, i'm quite confident he will be a top pairing defenseman soon enough. there's no way i'd trade him for any goalie you've mentioned. now, if nashville wanted him straight up for askarov? that's something to consider. apples and oranges, just a very dumb situation that isn't analogous at all.

- you're fine signing saros in FA? wow, what a visionary you are. of course you would be, anyone here would. staying on the theme of 'things i already said but have to say again', when do goalies of that caliber get signed in FA? the irony of you saying i know nothing while spouting off about scenarios that rarely (if ever) happen is incredible.

- what "b level goalie" are you talking about signing?

- johnston was drafted at #23, stankoven at #47 and lundell at #12. any other idiotic examples that actually disprove your point you'd like to throw out there?

- despite my immaturity, i am way older than you apparently imagine i am. another swing and a miss.

Ĺ i do not want a goalie "no matter what". if there's a deal fitz feels makes sense, and the ask (or part of the ask) is #10, i want him to pull the trigger. again- try reading what i'm saying before you publish your next hf novel in response.
All arguments were before, you are taking false conclusions about what I'm saying when literally I said what I mean with straight ine. I don't see any reasons to continue.

Btw Jim and Bleedred are good posters even if I'm not agree with them sometimes. Bleedred is watching and analyzing a lot of goalie games. Sometimes even good analysts making some mistakes. I was wrong about Perevalov, Steven was wrong about Edvinsson. The beauty of making a lot of analyzing is about making tonns of right conclusions. Cut down the forest, splinters are flying.

Let's end it.
 

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Ok, my rankings are out so I'm ready for this debate.

STI:
Nygard: 6
Helenius: 7
Catton: 15
Sennecke: 22
Lindstrom: 3

Definitely a bit different. But keep in mind all of these writers had Lekkerimaki over Yurov, I had the opposite. Or Holtz over Jarvis. Or Broberg over Seider.

None of this is a guarantee I'm right. I'm also the guy who had Jake Wise in his top 10.

But what I'm saying is that I'm right often enough when bucking the consensus that I'm at least worth hearing out my reasoning when I do it.
You’ve had more hits than misses which is all you can expect from a good evaluator.
 

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Two Players At Every Position the Devils Might Have A Shot At In Round 3:

LD: Daniil Ustinkov -- smooth skating, Swiss shut-down defender who is very smart with the puck
LD: Leon Muggli -- another smooth skating, Swiss shut-down defender who is very smart with the puck. For the layperson, Ustinkov is a bit better without the puck while Muggli is a bit better with it, but neither player has any real weakness.

RD: Tory Pitner -- no player is as calm, cool and collected, regardless of situation. Never makes a bad decision no matter how much pressure is on him.
RD: Harrison Brunicke -- all the tools are there, he just needs to tie it all together

LW: Kevin He -- my dream pick, but may even be around as late as the 5th round -- this kid can fly, thinks the game really well, plays with heart and skill. Super underrated player.
LW: Ondrej Kos -- fast, physical and smart; maybe just middle 6 upside but Kos is always on the puck like peanut butter on the roof of your mouth

RW: Hiroki Gojsic -- Tij Iginla's literal right-hand man in Kelowna, Gojsic is a 6'3-190 interior forward who possesses both the skill to play with high-end talent and the energy and power to open up room on the ice for them to shine.
RW: Kasper Pikkarainen -- big, fast kid and son of an ex-Devil (Ilkka), certainly a project but plays physical and has a great tool kit to work with. One of the youngest draft-eligibles for 2024 and could have a huge development arc.

C: Kamil Bednarik -- sure he's a jack-of-all-trades-master-of-none, but the Devils lack any centers in the system and adding a high-floor kid like Bednarik would be extremely useful
C: Kieron Walton -- 6'5, skates well, can fire the puck and plays a heady, high-effort style. Walton might not stick at C (also a LW with Sudbury) but if he can, could be a real steal if he falls.

Ultimate pipe dream:
Former Bergen Catholic standout John Mustard falls to Round 3. He's a center, he has top-line-type upside, and no one has him ranked as a 1st rounder except me.
would absolutely love to have a player named John Mustard
 

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Folks, please. Let's move the trade talk to the rightful main thread. This should be about prospects. Doesn't even have to be Devils. I can talk all day about whether Chicago will take Demidov or Levshunov, but I want to pull my considerably beautiful hair out after 2 minutes of arguing who is the most average-plus out of a group of average goalies.

It's fine to debate this. But not here. The draft page should be a refuge for that kind of talk, not the destination. It's about hope for the future, and it bums me out to see "hope for the future" devolve into "panic right now".

In the efforts to turn this page back to where it is meant to go -- which player (or what kind of player) would you folks like to see the Devils grab with their two 3rd round picks?

Let's talk sleepers!

I know there have to be some great opinions out there from folks like @Guadana @evnted @Guttersniped @longislanddevil etc. etc.

I want us to draft Cole Beaudoin, and know that’s not really possible, and that makes me sad.

Also this is how the draft will go, it has now been foretold:
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I know this HFBoards but you guys don’t have to go to the mattresses over the question of trading the 10th pick considering we have zero control over what will happen.

I’m personally just trying to prepare myself for disappointment. (Not saying that’s a given, just a solid possibility.)
 

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I want us to draft Cole Beaudoin, and know that’s not really possible, and that makes me sad.

Also this is how the draft will go, it has now been foretold:
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Beaudoin is a beast, I don't know how else to say it. I'd be fine if the Devils took him at #10 overall. Outside of Celebrini, you can make the argument he has the highest floor in the entire 2024 class.
 

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The possibilities for puns are endless. “Put some Mustard on it”, “Too much Mustard on that one”, “Inglourious Mustard”, etc.
Uh, how'd you miss "Hold the Mustard" or "pass the Mustard"?

Aight they take a little bit of artistic license, but they would definitely be in my repertoire.

Also not sure what "inglourious Mustard" is?

I don't know this one either.
 
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