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Who do you want at #5?

  • Tij Iginla

    Votes: 209 49.5%

  • Cole Eiserman

    Votes: 14 3.3%

  • Berkly Catton

    Votes: 92 21.8%

  • Konsta Helenius

    Votes: 13 3.1%

  • Beckett Sennecke

    Votes: 75 17.8%

  • Zayne Parekh

    Votes: 19 4.5%
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WeThreeKings said:
Scott Wheeler just did a scout/players poll too

Here's some excerpts relevant to the topic and our pick.

Wheeler - I settled on this: “Which of the big six D in the class (Artyom Levshunov, Zeev Buium, Zayne Parekh, Sam Dickinson, Anton Silayev and Carter Yakemchuk) do you like the best and least?”

Levshunov received the majority of votes as the best D in the class and Yakemchuk received the majority of votes as the sixth D in the group. But it wasn’t unanimous, with Parekh and Silayev also receiving votes at No. 1, and Dickinson also receiving votes at No. 6. Buium was the only D not to garner a vote in either of the two categories, a testament to the view that while he may not be seen as the top prospect in the group, scouts are high on him.

Scout 5: I only know Parekh and Dickinson best. I’ve seen video on Buium, Levshunov and Yakemchuk. Buium looks well-rounded. Levshunov like his physical play. Yakemchuk like his skill.

Parekh or Dickinson?

Parekh.

Why?

(Dickinson’s) not going to be as offensive at the next level but he has that shot that will be used on the PP. Solid defensively. High floor, don’t think his ceiling is as high. He’ll be a 3-4 while others will be 1-2. But it won’t surprise me if he goes ahead of Parekh. Among his peers, Dickinson is more highly thought of than Parekh.

Scout 7: It’s a spicy question as I’m really high on all six. But ironically I’d rank them in the exact order you laid out: Levshunov, Buium, Parekh, Dickinson, Silayev, Yakemchuk.

Scout 8: Best: Parekh. Least: Yakemchuk.

Scout 9: Top I’d have Silayev and bottom would be Dickinson.

Scout 10: Most: Parekh and Silayev. Least: Dickinson. I (also) like Solberg very much.

Scout 16: Best: Dickinson. Least: Yakemchuk.

Scout 17: Best: Levshunov. Least: Dickinson.

All are exceptional talents. Lev took big strides and was able to change his game from start to end of season. Feels like he’s still a long ways from his potential.

Dickinson not based on ability, just in his potential to be a star seems less likely than the others.

Though the scout’s survey changes with each class, I’ve been asking the players the same question in their survey for years: “Who is the most talented non-teammate you’ve played against in this class? Not necessarily the best player, but strictly the most talented.”

1. Macklin Celebrini (23)
2. Berkly Catton (12)
3. Beckett Sennecke (8)
4. Cole Eiserman (5)
T5. Michael Hage, Trevor Connelly (4)
T7. Tij Iginla, Zayne Parekh, Konsta Helenius, Carter Yakemchuk (3)
T11. Ivan Demidov, Cayden Lindstrom, Artyom Levshunov, Zeev Buium, Sam Dickinson, Jett Luchanko (2)
T17. Maxim Massé, Alexander Zetterberg, Emil Hemming, Mac Swanson, Lucas Pettersson, Dominik Badinka, Kevin He (1)

Sam Dickinson on former Toronto Marlboros teammate and current OHL opponent Beckett Sennecke: “The thing for Beckett is he’s just wickedly creative. When he’s got the puck on his stick, you never really know what he can do but he can basically pull off any move in the book. You’ve got to play him tight and play him hard because you know that if you give him that inch of space he’ll make you pay and he’s going to put it into the back of the net or make you look silly.”

Former Toronto Marlboros head coach Justin Donati on Sennecke: “He has always been an offensive player. He can be a high-end guy in the NHL. And he’s still growing into his body. He was 5-foot-9 in his OHL draft year, he was 6 feet last year, and he’s 6-3 now. So in two years, he’s put on six inches. But he’s got high-end skill.”

OHL coach on Sennecke: “Sigh. He definitely has the potential. There are some special, special qualities about him and it’s just can he break some of the habits that he continues to do? Just so much straight-up one-on-one play. And I’m not opposed to one-on-one but it can’t be straight up, you’ve got to be attacking on angles and not trying to beat a guy with straight stick skills.”

OHL GM on Dickinson: “Dickinson will fall off. His IQ is questionable and he gets the London bump. Protected with the quality of team.”
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Could you please not post draft information in the draft thread as it's currently being used to discuss tired, old playoff performances. Thanks in advance, HF board management
 
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Even though Cooley is gonna be a good player in his own right, it is nice that we were able to fill a slot at the top of our lineup with a profile like Slafs. You can always add to that with a guy like Lindstrom who is similar but it would be tougher to add someone like Catton to a Cooley or Benson.

It seems almost every year there's a super skilled player like that who everyone falls in love with that ends up dropping to lower in the top 10 to 15ish. I don't think we will be picking this high again for a while but there is a chance we could be around that 10-15 spot so maybe we can still grab a player like that in the future.
 
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ReHabs said:
Carbo was a two-way player. Danault is not a two-way player.
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If Carbo was a two way player, so is Danault. The issue some have with Danault is how he sneaked his way to becoming a solid 2 way center in the 2nd half of his prime years. Same issue some have with Matheson right now. They see who he was and can't believe who he has become in his later 20's.

Danault is 70th in pts/game over the last 239 games with the Kings (min 50 games played for centers). His prorated stats during his time with the Kings is 0.64. That prorates to 53 pts in a 82 game season. ROR during this same span was at 0.74 pts/game.

Sorry bud but Danault is a two way center. With the Habs, we started him 60+% of the time in the D zone. With the Kings, it's more like 50-55%. This is why his point and goal totals have increased a bit with the Kings.
 
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Danault doesn’t elevate his game. He’s significantly worse in the playoffs — 4pts in 22gp is very bad for a top6 C and contributed to the Habs losing the Finals. No one scored. Danault couldn’t shut down the Bolts either. Totally incapable of stepping up.

It’s a nonsense argument — your inability to justify or support your argument proves it.
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Yeah everything about hockey is points. Teams don't win either, just star players. Right.

"He couldn't shut down the bolts either"

LOL wow.
 
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SOLR said:
You are making a point I wasn't making yet again. Love to waste your time don't you.

The argument was about players who are more valuable during the playoffs vs. regular season. Danault is one. Lafreniere always elevates.

The point was made that there is no such thing as players who play better under pressure.

Sam Reinhart is another.
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I never said some players don't elevate their games in the POs. I made the point these players don't answer to an archetype.

It's a lot more psychological than it is about centimeters.

GlassesJacketShirt said:
Funny enough, the origin of this topic was simply Mrb1p staying there is no specific player archetype that guarantees playoff success. I think he was misinterpreted, and now we've gone off the tracks.
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They're testing me with that Danault shit
 
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WeThreeKings said:
Scott Wheeler just did a scout/players poll too

Here's some excerpts relevant to the topic and our pick.

Wheeler - I settled on this: “Which of the big six D in the class (Artyom Levshunov, Zeev Buium, Zayne Parekh, Sam Dickinson, Anton Silayev and Carter Yakemchuk) do you like the best and least?”

Levshunov received the majority of votes as the best D in the class and Yakemchuk received the majority of votes as the sixth D in the group. But it wasn’t unanimous, with Parekh and Silayev also receiving votes at No. 1, and Dickinson also receiving votes at No. 6. Buium was the only D not to garner a vote in either of the two categories, a testament to the view that while he may not be seen as the top prospect in the group, scouts are high on him.

Scout 5: I only know Parekh and Dickinson best. I’ve seen video on Buium, Levshunov and Yakemchuk. Buium looks well-rounded. Levshunov like his physical play. Yakemchuk like his skill.

Parekh or Dickinson?

Parekh.

Why?

(Dickinson’s) not going to be as offensive at the next level but he has that shot that will be used on the PP. Solid defensively. High floor, don’t think his ceiling is as high. He’ll be a 3-4 while others will be 1-2. But it won’t surprise me if he goes ahead of Parekh. Among his peers, Dickinson is more highly thought of than Parekh.

Scout 7: It’s a spicy question as I’m really high on all six. But ironically I’d rank them in the exact order you laid out: Levshunov, Buium, Parekh, Dickinson, Silayev, Yakemchuk.

Scout 8: Best: Parekh. Least: Yakemchuk.

Scout 9: Top I’d have Silayev and bottom would be Dickinson.

Scout 10: Most: Parekh and Silayev. Least: Dickinson. I (also) like Solberg very much.

Scout 16: Best: Dickinson. Least: Yakemchuk.

Scout 17: Best: Levshunov. Least: Dickinson.

All are exceptional talents. Lev took big strides and was able to change his game from start to end of season. Feels like he’s still a long ways from his potential.

Dickinson not based on ability, just in his potential to be a star seems less likely than the others.

Though the scout’s survey changes with each class, I’ve been asking the players the same question in their survey for years: “Who is the most talented non-teammate you’ve played against in this class? Not necessarily the best player, but strictly the most talented.”

1. Macklin Celebrini (23)
2. Berkly Catton (12)
3. Beckett Sennecke (8)
4. Cole Eiserman (5)
T5. Michael Hage, Trevor Connelly (4)
T7. Tij Iginla, Zayne Parekh, Konsta Helenius, Carter Yakemchuk (3)
T11. Ivan Demidov, Cayden Lindstrom, Artyom Levshunov, Zeev Buium, Sam Dickinson, Jett Luchanko (2)
T17. Maxim Massé, Alexander Zetterberg, Emil Hemming, Mac Swanson, Lucas Pettersson, Dominik Badinka, Kevin He (1)

Sam Dickinson on former Toronto Marlboros teammate and current OHL opponent Beckett Sennecke: “The thing for Beckett is he’s just wickedly creative. When he’s got the puck on his stick, you never really know what he can do but he can basically pull off any move in the book. You’ve got to play him tight and play him hard because you know that if you give him that inch of space he’ll make you pay and he’s going to put it into the back of the net or make you look silly.”

Former Toronto Marlboros head coach Justin Donati on Sennecke: “He has always been an offensive player. He can be a high-end guy in the NHL. And he’s still growing into his body. He was 5-foot-9 in his OHL draft year, he was 6 feet last year, and he’s 6-3 now. So in two years, he’s put on six inches. But he’s got high-end skill.”

OHL coach on Sennecke: “Sigh. He definitely has the potential. There are some special, special qualities about him and it’s just can he break some of the habits that he continues to do? Just so much straight-up one-on-one play. And I’m not opposed to one-on-one but it can’t be straight up, you’ve got to be attacking on angles and not trying to beat a guy with straight stick skills.”

OHL GM on Dickinson: “Dickinson will fall off. His IQ is questionable and he gets the London bump. Protected with the quality of team.”
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That's some great info. The opinions on the dmen really are all over the map. It's stressful for me to read and think about this decision.
 
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waffledave said:
That's some great info. The opinions on the dmen really are all over the map. It's stressful for me to read and think about this decision.
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In regards to all the draftees, forward and defence, depending on the style of play your team utilizes or wants to implement in the near future will determine the right draft pick for the job. Same as most years if there's no clear cut BPA.

If you need a more defensive aware D man, you take Dickinson. If you need an offensive D man, you take Parekh. Same thing with the forwards....skill and slickness, a Demidov or Catton. Tough to compete against, Lindstrom or Iggy. That sort of ideology.
 
McGees said:
HockeyProspect.com are probably the closest rankings to how I feel about top 10 (not how they will actually go)

Top 10

1: Celebrini
2: Lindstrom
3: Buium
4: Demidov
5: Silayev
6: Sennecke
7: Iginla
8: Dickinson
9: Perekh
10: Levshunov
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If Silayev is the pick, I quit my job, I quit my girlfriend, I quit everything and I will become no-binary trans women.
 
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Hate to engage in such off topicism

But

Danaults production is irrelevant to how elite he was in our finals run, no one was as important as him.

He went through McDavid, Matthews and Scheifele and literally managed to practically shut em down as efficiently as possible.

Even with 0 points, he would have been the best and most important player we had during the finals run
 
SOLR said:
Yeah everything about hockey is points. Teams don't win either, just star players. Right.

"He couldn't shut down the bolts either"

LOL wow.
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“We should draft players who get even better in the playoffs — like Danault”

Danault got worse in the playoffs. He isn’t the archetype of a top5 draft pick, he isn’t a reliable two-way player.

“Ugh, okay, yeah everything is all about points huh? Is that it? LOL wow.”

Fantastic chat
 
KevSkillz4 said:
If Silayev is the pick, I quit my job, I quit my girlfriend, I quit everything and I will become no-binary trans women.
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KevSkillz4 profile picture after the Silayev pick.

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ReHabs said:
Water-gun to your head: Silayev or Catton?
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Catton pretty easily.
Doublechin said:
Hate to engage in such off topicism

But

Danaults production is irrelevant to how elite he was in our finals run, no one was as important as him.

He went through McDavid, Matthews and Scheifele and literally managed to practically shut em down as efficiently as possible.

Even with 0 points, he would have been the best and most important player we had during the finals run
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Danault got as far as a "Two-way" type as Carey Price took him. He essentially drifted back in nowhere land without him and can't beat out 40 YO Kopitar for the shutdown job.
 
If Anaheim is leaning defense then they'd be best off creating a bidding war between us and Columbus for the 3rd pick.

They already knew we're heavily leaning forward and I figured so was Columbus, and now with the Laine news I think it's even more likely that they are.

If I was Anaheim I would be calling Montreal to see their offer for 3rd, then instantly call Columbus and tell them they have to top Montreal's offer or else their guy could be gone at 4.
 
ReHabs said:
“We should draft players who get even better in the playoffs — like Danault”

Danault got worse in the playoffs. He isn’t the archetype of a top5 draft pick, he isn’t a reliable two-way player.

“Ugh, okay, yeah everything is all about points huh? Is that it? LOL wow.”

Fantastic chat
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I said none of these things. You are arguing with yourself again.
 
Only thing I wish Silayev would do more is to be physical. The guy would be a massive pain in the ass to play against. That being said he's such a smart player that the Myers/Zadorov talk makes me wonder if the players criticizing him know anything about his game.
 
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