HF Habs: 2024 NHL Draft Thread

Who do you want at #5?

  • Tij Iginla

    Votes: 209 49.5%
  • Cole Eiserman

    Votes: 14 3.3%
  • Berkly Catton

    Votes: 92 21.8%
  • Konsta Helenius

    Votes: 13 3.1%
  • Beckett Sennecke

    Votes: 75 17.8%
  • Zayne Parekh

    Votes: 19 4.5%

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jaffy27

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I'm not talking about my rankings and I have no idea what the Habs list will look like. It's not very often that a draft could go in so many directions. I don't think there will be a consensus top 4 like there was last year.

As for LD, Silayev was #2 on Bobby Mac's mid-year rankings which is a poll of scouts from 10 NHL teams. That tells me that a lot of NHL teams viewed him as a top pairing dman back in January. We'll see how things have changed. Sam Dickinson is in the top 5 on many lists. Are they ranked that high on the Habs list? I don't know but one of them could be.
True, and I’m a big Dickinson fan.

But Celebrini, Eiserman, Iginla, Catton, Lindstrom all have a chance at being top line players 2 at worst, Levshunov has a chance at being a top pairing D, worst case scenario a 3.

Thing is we already have prime talent on the Left….so outside of Celebrini, I think it’s a wash between the rest, think teams will pick based on what they need as BPA margins are tight as hell in this top 8
 

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Which LD would be above Celebrini, Demidov, Iginla, Levshunov, Lindstrom, Catton , Eiserman if you are the Habs?
Buium, ahead of Lindstrom, Eiserman and Catton. Dickinson ahead of Eiserman, potentially Catton.

True, and I’m a big Dickinson fan.

But Celebrini, Eiserman, Iginla, Catton, Lindstrom all have a chance at being top line players 2 at worst, Levshunov has a chance at being a top pairing D, worst case scenario a 3.

Thing is we already have prime talent on the Left….so outside of Celebrini, I think it’s a wash between the rest, think teams will pick based on what they need as BPA margins are tight as hell in this top 8
Worst case scenarios are much worse than this, lets be honest.
 
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Buium, ahead of Lindstrom, Eiserman and Catton. Dickinson ahead of Eiserman, potentially Catton.


Worst case scenarios are much worse than this, lets be honest.
Between 2-8, it’s pretty close.

If you really need a LHD and are strong at fwd, are you still picking Demidov over Dickinson??

Dunno?

Of course interviews will weigh heavily in their decisions but all being equal, I think they picking on what they need.

Habs don’t need LHD and there’s enough good fwds in this top 7 that I’m convinced we going fwd over any LHD still on the board.

Just my 2cents
 

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Between 2-8, it’s pretty close.

If you really need a LHD and are strong at fwd, are you still picking Demidov over Dickinson??

Dunno?

Of course interviews will weigh heavily in their decisions but all being equal, I think they picking on what they need.

Habs don’t need LHD and there’s enough good fwds in this top 7 that I’m convinced we going fwd over any LHD still on the board.

Just my 2cents
Im picking Demidov over anyone not named Celebrini, not close at all. The rest is closer, but yes Id lean forward much more than D, unless it's Buium, in which case it allows us to trade Hutson, if there's a suitor.
 

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NHL teams are not PR team, maybe I am too old school but I find it weird that some draft hopeful prospect are viewed differently than other, it does seem like in his specific case it all leaked to the media and they dug more into it. Of course the team that draft him would do a background check on them based on all the crazy allegations as they I hope do with every hockey player, not just him. You don't want trouble maker like Sean Avery or Tony DeAngelo but at the same time you cannot assume that all other top prospects are angel either. I have watched hockey for way too long to know that too many hockey players can be complete assholes and self centered bullies. Maybe hockey has changed and they don't want anything that bring negative attention but many star players we all grew up loving and admire were clearly not all perfect citizen either.

If you started digging all prospect dirt, you would find most likely people bad mouth them and find stories that would make them look very bad.

That being said, his issues while very bad look on his character are not even close to Mitchell Miller as far as I am concerned. I am not ruling it out but for the allegations made against Connelly nothing came out as him attacking disable kids and forcing them to eat human stool and feeling no remorse like with Miller.
It shouldn’t be a comparison. Both are shitty humans and I hope my organization has players like that on their ND list.
 

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Im picking Demidov over anyone not named Celebrini, not close at all. The rest is closer, but yes Id lean forward much more than D, unless it's Buium, in which case it allows us to trade Hutson, if there's a suitor.
I’m big Demidov fan too, he’s certainly my #2….wonder if Russian factor comes in to play this year the way it did with Michkov?

Buuim solid too
 
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NHL teams are not PR team, maybe I am too old school but I find it weird that some draft hopeful prospect are viewed differently than other, it does seem like in his specific case it all leaked to the media and they dug more into it. Of course the team that draft him would do a background check on them based on all the crazy allegations as they I hope do with every hockey player, not just him. You don't want trouble maker like Sean Avery or Tony DeAngelo but at the same time you cannot assume that all other top prospects are angel either. I have watched hockey for way too long to know that many hockey good players can be complete assholes and self centered bullies. Maybe hockey has changed and they don't want anything that bring negative attention but many star players we all grew up loving and admire were clearly not all perfect citizen either.

If you started digging all prospect dirt, you would find most likely people bad mouth them and find stories that would make them look very bad.

That being said, is issues while very bad look on his character are not even close to Mitchell Miller as far as I am concerned. I am not ruling it out but for the allegations made against Connelly nothing came out as him attacking disable kids and forcing them to eat human stool and feeling no remorse like with Miller.

My point is that there are other forces (shareholders, sponsors,etc.) at play than just the will of an owner and his hockey operations. Even an influential owner like Molson is beholden to his shareholders and sponsors, as he had to damage control with the Mailloux backlash. Should you select Trevor Connelly, you’d better have done massive due diligence.
 

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I’m big Demidov fan too, he’s certainly my #2….wonder if Russian factor comes in to play this year the way it did with Michkov?

Buuim solid too

Demidov has already signaled through his NHL agent that he is looking forward to moving to NA as soon as his contract expires next summer. I don't see him falling as much as Michkov, unless Demidov makes it clear that he doesn't want to be drafted by certain franchises (like Michkov).
 

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Some NHL people were also aware he had been accused of directing a racial slur at an opponent during a game in 2021, which he has denied. He was initially suspended after that allegation, though the suspension was not upheld, with the disciplinary committee for the California Amateur Hockey Association writing that the allegation could not be corroborated. Connelly told The Athletic he doesn’t use racial slurs. Some teams were also aware that Connelly had been involved with four amateur programs from 2020-22, an unusually vagabond career for a player with his talent; one of those stops, at Bishop Kearney, a high school in Rochester, N.Y., with a select hockey program, lasted less than two weeks.

Connelly played six seasons for the Anaheim (Calif.) Jr. Ducks, ending with the 2018-19 season when Connelly was around 13, and The Athletic interviewed more than a dozen parents who had a child who was a teammate of Connelly’s during at least one of those seasons. Ten of those parents said they witnessed behavior by Connelly that they considered troubling, and eight of those 10 parents described Connelly’s actions as bullying.

Four parents said they saw Connelly punch a teammate during practice; three of those parents said they saw it happen multiple times. It was usually in response to Connelly getting frustrated, those three parents say, such as when he lost a puck battle or a teammate wouldn’t allow him to cut in line during a drill. Five parents said he would slash teammates with his stick out of frustration. Four of those five parents said they also saw him slew-foot players — trip an opponent from behind with a leg or foot.

Individually, those incidents are not unheard of at the highest levels of youth hockey. And some parents chalked up Connelly’s behavior to the fact that he was intensively competitive. However, the incidents were frequent enough that eight parents said that at some point they felt concern for the well-being of their son or that of other players.

Parents said Connelly also picked on some teammates in the locker room and away from the rink. He seemed to focus on players who were small in stature and/or were among the less talented members of the team, according to eight parents. He would make fun of their appearance, tell them they were not good players and that they didn’t belong on the team, among other insults. “He wasn’t just a troublemaker; it wasn’t just that. He was mean,” said one parent.

One mother said her son avoided team activities, like bus rides or team meals, to avoid being around Connelly more than was necessary. Another mother said her son asked to not stay at the team hotel because he didn’t want to be around Connelly. Yet another parent said she went so far as to ask her son to assist a player Connelly repeatedly picked on. “It’s frustrating when you have to tell your kid to protect his teammate from another teammate,” she said. Two players left the Anaheim Jr. Ducks program prior to or during or the 2017-18 season in part because of how they were treated by Connelly, according to three parents associated with that program.

In 2020, Connelly, then 14, enrolled at Bishop Kearney, which started a boys select hockey program during the pandemic, drawing top players from around the country. Almost immediately, the school suspended Connelly, but he left Bishop Kearney shortly thereafter. A public relations official working with the family said that all that should be written about Connelly’s short stint at the school is: “He was there for a week and he left.”

Sources involved in the school’s hockey program said that Connelly was suspended after urinating on another student’s belongings, among other alleged acts. One source said Connelly was acting in response to hazing that Connelly had received earlier. That source said he witnessed the hazing Connelly endured and also saw students tease Connelly about being hazed.

Connelly instead joined Anaheim’s Jr. Ice Dogs, and in April 2021, when he was 15 and playing for that team versus the L.A. Jr. Kings, he was accused of directing a racial slur at an opponent. What happened remains in dispute. The player came off the ice “so visibly shaken and upset with tears streaming down his face after the incident that I had to sit him for the remainder of the first period so he could collect himself,” according to an email his coach, Brett Beebe, sent to Pacific District official Wayne Sawchuk, which was viewed by The Athletic.
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I’m big Demidov fan too, he’s certainly my #2….wonder if Russian factor comes in to play this year the way it did with Michkov?

Buuim solid too
Michkov didn't fall because of the Russian factor, he fell because he signaled the teams that where not the Flyers that he wasn't interested in them and refused to talk to scouts during the season.

There has been zero talk of Demidov doing the same so far.
 

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I think trading down is a good option if the guys they love are gone. Lots of teams will want these defenseman and maybe the run on them starts after the top forwards go.

If you can get down to 10, 11 or 12 and still get a guy like Eiserman, Greentree, Sennecke or Chernyshov while picking up extra assets to use in a package for an NHL top 6 forward, I would have no problem with this.
 
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Some NHL people were also aware he had been accused of directing a racial slur at an opponent during a game in 2021, which he has denied. He was initially suspended after that allegation, though the suspension was not upheld, with the disciplinary committee for the California Amateur Hockey Association writing that the allegation could not be corroborated. Connelly told The Athletic he doesn’t use racial slurs. Some teams were also aware that Connelly had been involved with four amateur programs from 2020-22, an unusually vagabond career for a player with his talent; one of those stops, at Bishop Kearney, a high school in Rochester, N.Y., with a select hockey program, lasted less than two weeks.

Connelly played six seasons for the Anaheim (Calif.) Jr. Ducks, ending with the 2018-19 season when Connelly was around 13, and The Athletic interviewed more than a dozen parents who had a child who was a teammate of Connelly’s during at least one of those seasons. Ten of those parents said they witnessed behavior by Connelly that they considered troubling, and eight of those 10 parents described Connelly’s actions as bullying.

Four parents said they saw Connelly punch a teammate during practice; three of those parents said they saw it happen multiple times. It was usually in response to Connelly getting frustrated, those three parents say, such as when he lost a puck battle or a teammate wouldn’t allow him to cut in line during a drill. Five parents said he would slash teammates with his stick out of frustration. Four of those five parents said they also saw him slew-foot players — trip an opponent from behind with a leg or foot.

Individually, those incidents are not unheard of at the highest levels of youth hockey. And some parents chalked up Connelly’s behavior to the fact that he was intensively competitive. However, the incidents were frequent enough that eight parents said that at some point they felt concern for the well-being of their son or that of other players.

Parents said Connelly also picked on some teammates in the locker room and away from the rink. He seemed to focus on players who were small in stature and/or were among the less talented members of the team, according to eight parents. He would make fun of their appearance, tell them they were not good players and that they didn’t belong on the team, among other insults. “He wasn’t just a troublemaker; it wasn’t just that. He was mean,” said one parent.

One mother said her son avoided team activities, like bus rides or team meals, to avoid being around Connelly more than was necessary. Another mother said her son asked to not stay at the team hotel because he didn’t want to be around Connelly. Yet another parent said she went so far as to ask her son to assist a player Connelly repeatedly picked on. “It’s frustrating when you have to tell your kid to protect his teammate from another teammate,” she said. Two players left the Anaheim Jr. Ducks program prior to or during or the 2017-18 season in part because of how they were treated by Connelly, according to three parents associated with that program.

In 2020, Connelly, then 14, enrolled at Bishop Kearney, which started a boys select hockey program during the pandemic, drawing top players from around the country. Almost immediately, the school suspended Connelly, but he left Bishop Kearney shortly thereafter. A public relations official working with the family said that all that should be written about Connelly’s short stint at the school is: “He was there for a week and he left.”

Sources involved in the school’s hockey program said that Connelly was suspended after urinating on another student’s belongings, among other alleged acts. One source said Connelly was acting in response to hazing that Connelly had received earlier. That source said he witnessed the hazing Connelly endured and also saw students tease Connelly about being hazed.

Connelly instead joined Anaheim’s Jr. Ice Dogs, and in April 2021, when he was 15 and playing for that team versus the L.A. Jr. Kings, he was accused of directing a racial slur at an opponent. What happened remains in dispute. The player came off the ice “so visibly shaken and upset with tears streaming down his face after the incident that I had to sit him for the remainder of the first period so he could collect himself,” according to an email his coach, Brett Beebe, sent to Pacific District official Wayne Sawchuk, which was viewed by The Athletic.

So in the end it all boils down to stuff that was even less impactful than Mailloux, who has since had a complete turnaround in character and made a better man out himself with proper guidance? Pre-draft cancel mobs are now digging up dirt on 13 year olds? 14? JFC. He may very well be a complete asshole who never gets better, but I'm far more worried about people in our society going full 2 minutes of hate on a kid because of what he did from 13-16 years old.

'He was mean'.

Well, that settles it. Ban him from the f***ing NHL now, before he really does some harm. Imagine if we had meanies. :sarcasm:
 

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So in the end it all boils down to stuff that was even less impactful than Mailloux, who has since had a complete turnaround in character and made a better man out himself with proper guidance? Pre-draft cancel mobs are now digging up dirt on 13 year olds? 14? JFC. He may very well be a complete asshole who never gets better, but I'm far more worried about people in our society going full 2 minutes of hate on a kid because of what he did from 13-16 years old.

'He was mean'.

Well, that settles it. Ban him from the f***ing NHL now, before he really does some harm. Imagine if we had meanies. :sarcasm:
Yes, meanwhile some of their star player on their team are huge dickhead alcoholic and maybe even coke head and they don't even care, it's quite comical to be honest. If I don't see it and it is hidden, not reported to the media then it's all good...

There are many path for redemption and getting proper mental health help, getting caught and acting on it to legitimately become a better individual is very valuable and could help him becoming a better person.
 
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Love the willingness to take a big hit to make a play and initiate contact later too. He’s a real pro. The puck steal is such a Suzuki type of play too, with great anticipation and timing.
There's a lot to like with Helenius. The IQ and compete are exceptional and the skating and puck skills are better than he's given credit for. Could be an interesting project for the skill development team in MTL.

I've been guilty of overvaluing centers in the past and I'd have a hard time taking him over more toolsy players... but this guy just screams NHL player to me.
 

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Yes, meanwhile some of their star player on their team are huge dickhead alcoholic and maybe even coke head and they don't even care, it's quite comical to be honest. If I don't see it and it is hidden, not reported to the media then it's all good...

There are many path for redemption and getting proper mental health help, getting caught and acting on it to legitimately become a better individual is very valuable and could help him becoming a better person.
Gotta be honest with you, I wouldn’t want to draft an alcoholic coke head either. And yeah, I’m pretty sure teams would care.
 

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There's a lot to like with Helenius. The IQ and compete are exceptional and the skating and puck skills are better than he's given credit for. Could be an interesting project for the skill development team in MTL.

I've been guilty of overvaluing centers in the past and I'd have a hard time taking him over more toolsy players... but this guy just screams NHL player to me.
Fully agreed, I think the issue with him is that the floor is quite high and in the head of some people it means the ceiling is lower, I think he should be top 10. But I have the same issue of overvaluing D and C with good defensive play so
 

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There's a lot to like with Helenius. The IQ and compete are exceptional and the skating and puck skills are better than he's given credit for. Could be an interesting project for the skill development team in MTL.

I've been guilty of overvaluing centers in the past and I'd have a hard time taking him over more toolsy players... but this guy just screams NHL player to me.
You got that right, which makes sense considering he will get picked up top 14 at worse.

Just… as a top 5 (fingers crossed) it gets dicey on the floor vs ceiling component. There’s talent in that group, hard competitors.
 
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Gotta be honest with you, I wouldn’t want to draft an alcoholic coke head either. And yeah, I’m pretty sure teams would care.
You clearly missed the point. It's about public perception. If you have many players on your team with major psychological issue like drug or alcoholic dependency but you are not aware, are they problematic only when you are aware of it? See a player like Carey Price. On the opposite, if you have somebody that you are aware has issue but he is working on improving as person and as human being by doing therapy and learning on his errors and you even guide him more before it turns for the worse is that also bad for you?

For instance. I have never heard anybody from the Habs fanbase being negative on Carey Price even though he had alcoholic abuse for many years but if he was a young NHL draft hopeful many would have huge issue about it and put him as ND, you don't want that in the locker room. I also believe many NHL player have had substance abuse over their career but nobody has said anything bad about it.

If you have a player with dependency, you support them and get them help. Life is not over, his talent is still there and if anything there are path for redemption.

I am a strong believer in rehabilitation and therapy and even more on young adults. Their life does not end at 17 years old.
 
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Helenius is the type of player you don't notice because he does everything well and has elite IQ, Aho was like that in his draft year and Suzuki's playstyle is similar. Of course they're all different players but the foundation is similar.

That said a lot of these type of players also fall flat on their face in the NHL (and become bottom 6ers) if their tools aren't high enough, IQ can only carry you so much. It provides safety when you're drafting but it could also be a big trap (by drafting a player who ends up becoming a vanilla midd/bottom 6er too high), you really gotta be sure on the tools with these type of players (assuming you're using a high pick on them).

So we could talk about Suzuki/Aho as comparables from their draft year IQ-wise but those guys also have a bunch of elite tools that allow them to exploit their IQ. In this draft a safe range for Helenius is around 10-15 but a team could easily fall in love with him and pick him much higher. Personally i really like Helenius but there's a bunch of other really really good players in our draft range.. it would be much simpler if we had another top 15 pick ;)
 
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If you have a player with dependency, you support them and get them help. Life is not over, his talent is still there and if anything there are path for redemption.

I am a strong believer in rehabilitation and therapy and even more on young adults. Their life does not end at 17 years old.
The city of Montreal will crucify the Habs and the kid if the Habs pick him. It will be counter-productive to any rehabilitation. Lose-lose for everyone.

Who knows if players would want him around. Remember the backlash from Bruins players when they signed Miller?

Connelly's lengthy wrap-sheet cannot be ignored. He appears to be another Tony D'Angelo. Until the Habs pick him (which they won't), it is not their responsibility to rehab him.
 
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So in the end it all boils down to stuff that was even less impactful than Mailloux, who has since had a complete turnaround in character and made a better man out himself with proper guidance? Pre-draft cancel mobs are now digging up dirt on 13 year olds? 14? JFC. He may very well be a complete asshole who never gets better, but I'm far more worried about people in our society going full 2 minutes of hate on a kid because of what he did from 13-16 years old.

'He was mean'.

Well, that settles it. Ban him from the f***ing NHL now, before he really does some harm. Imagine if we had meanies. :sarcasm:
So Mailloux having once incident vs. Connelly having several issues over multiple years with multiple different teams is not worthy of discussing? If it was one isolated incident I'd agree with you but the track record seems to say otherwise at this point. Why're we giving him the benefit of the doubt and ignoring multiple red flags?
 
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