HF Habs: 2024 NHL Draft Thread

Who do you want at #5?

  • Tij Iginla

    Votes: 209 49.5%
  • Cole Eiserman

    Votes: 14 3.3%
  • Berkly Catton

    Votes: 92 21.8%
  • Konsta Helenius

    Votes: 13 3.1%
  • Beckett Sennecke

    Votes: 75 17.8%
  • Zayne Parekh

    Votes: 19 4.5%

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WeThreeKings

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I think the point is that it would be shortsighted to pick a player based on need if there's a player available that our hockey ops rate as a higher tiered player. None of these kids other than Celebrini are going to contribute in any meaningful way to the Habs for another 2-3 years. We're loaded in assets and have the goods to make trades to address needs.

And that's what Hughes basically said, but it was really only LD that he was mentioning as the position that would lose the needs based tiebreaker. We can also just take Goalie out of that conversation as there's no generational goalie talent in this draft.

It doesn't remove Parekh from the equation but we can reasonably assume that Levshunov is not there at 5-9. Then if you win the lottery for #2, I don't think they'd take Levshunov over Demidov.
 

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Some NHL people were also aware he had been accused of directing a racial slur at an opponent during a game in 2021, which he has denied. He was initially suspended after that allegation, though the suspension was not upheld, with the disciplinary committee for the California Amateur Hockey Association writing that the allegation could not be corroborated. Connelly told The Athletic he doesn’t use racial slurs. Some teams were also aware that Connelly had been involved with four amateur programs from 2020-22, an unusually vagabond career for a player with his talent; one of those stops, at Bishop Kearney, a high school in Rochester, N.Y., with a select hockey program, lasted less than two weeks.

Connelly played six seasons for the Anaheim (Calif.) Jr. Ducks, ending with the 2018-19 season when Connelly was around 13, and The Athletic interviewed more than a dozen parents who had a child who was a teammate of Connelly’s during at least one of those seasons. Ten of those parents said they witnessed behavior by Connelly that they considered troubling, and eight of those 10 parents described Connelly’s actions as bullying.

Four parents said they saw Connelly punch a teammate during practice; three of those parents said they saw it happen multiple times. It was usually in response to Connelly getting frustrated, those three parents say, such as when he lost a puck battle or a teammate wouldn’t allow him to cut in line during a drill. Five parents said he would slash teammates with his stick out of frustration. Four of those five parents said they also saw him slew-foot players — trip an opponent from behind with a leg or foot.

Individually, those incidents are not unheard of at the highest levels of youth hockey. And some parents chalked up Connelly’s behavior to the fact that he was intensively competitive. However, the incidents were frequent enough that eight parents said that at some point they felt concern for the well-being of their son or that of other players.

Parents said Connelly also picked on some teammates in the locker room and away from the rink. He seemed to focus on players who were small in stature and/or were among the less talented members of the team, according to eight parents. He would make fun of their appearance, tell them they were not good players and that they didn’t belong on the team, among other insults. “He wasn’t just a troublemaker; it wasn’t just that. He was mean,” said one parent.

One mother said her son avoided team activities, like bus rides or team meals, to avoid being around Connelly more than was necessary. Another mother said her son asked to not stay at the team hotel because he didn’t want to be around Connelly. Yet another parent said she went so far as to ask her son to assist a player Connelly repeatedly picked on. “It’s frustrating when you have to tell your kid to protect his teammate from another teammate,” she said. Two players left the Anaheim Jr. Ducks program prior to or during or the 2017-18 season in part because of how they were treated by Connelly, according to three parents associated with that program.

In 2020, Connelly, then 14, enrolled at Bishop Kearney, which started a boys select hockey program during the pandemic, drawing top players from around the country. Almost immediately, the school suspended Connelly, but he left Bishop Kearney shortly thereafter. A public relations official working with the family said that all that should be written about Connelly’s short stint at the school is: “He was there for a week and he left.”

Sources involved in the school’s hockey program said that Connelly was suspended after urinating on another student’s belongings, among other alleged acts. One source said Connelly was acting in response to hazing that Connelly had received earlier. That source said he witnessed the hazing Connelly endured and also saw students tease Connelly about being hazed.

Connelly instead joined Anaheim’s Jr. Ice Dogs, and in April 2021, when he was 15 and playing for that team versus the L.A. Jr. Kings, he was accused of directing a racial slur at an opponent. What happened remains in dispute. The player came off the ice “so visibly shaken and upset with tears streaming down his face after the incident that I had to sit him for the remainder of the first period so he could collect himself,” according to an email his coach, Brett Beebe, sent to Pacific District official Wayne Sawchuk, which was viewed by The Athletic.
Are you sure he's an American? He sounds like a good old Canadian Boy.
 

Michoulicious

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Dickinson will fall like Chychrun, not to 16 but probably to 10
No way he falls that far.

That kid has 1st pair 25 mins/game D written all over him.

Overanalyzing players in their draft year is the only reason Dickinson would fall out of the top 5, let alone top 10.

He is a stud.

If teams in the top 10 are dumb enough to let him slide, team at #11 will get MANY calls.
 

MarkovsKnee

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A one off action is a lot easier to forgive. This guy has been poison wherever he’s gone.

Within five years he’ll be playing over in Russia.

I doubt it. DeAngelo and Kane have both had numerous public incidents with teammates, and are still NHL players with long careers.

Kid seems at minimum an asshole and a poor teammate. I don't want him messing up our dressing room & team spirit. I love how Suzuki, Caufield, Slafkovsky, Guhle, Xhekaj etc all respect and help each other and the team.

We've had talented toxic people before (Ribeiro), and they're not worth it.
 

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As much as I would love a healthy Lindstrom with Montreal, I don't know if I'd feel comfortable taking him in the 5-7 range anymore. He missed half the season with an injury then comes back for 5 playoff games and now he's so banged up he's ineligible for the U18s. He relies on playing a heavy, physical game and the NHL is levels and levels above the WHL in terms of physicality, so I can't imagine his injury woes will get much better in the NHL.

As it stands, I think I'd prefer taking a gamble on Eiserman rounding out his game(something he's in control of) over taking a gamble on Lindstrom's health going forward(something he has limited control over).
 

le_sean

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There's been some talk about Dickinson not really improving his play through the year as much as you'd hope to see. Not that he's necessarily been stagnant, but apparently there hasn't been much growth or many notable additions to his game.

While I haven't followed him closely enough to speak to that issues directly, it's not something you want to hear when making a big call like that. He seems to project quite similarly to Reinbacher.
Same thing was said about Jakob Chychrun which is why he dropped, yet he turned out fine. Sometimes you’re just really good at a young age and that’s good enough.

I’m not advocating for the Habs to take him necessarily, but these all-around defenders are sometimes glossed over because of the physical traits or offensive ability of other “flashier” guys.
 
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I doubt it. DeAngelo and Kane have both had numerous public incidents with teammates, and are still NHL players with long careers.
Lots of guys have scraps with teammates. But it seems to go beyond that with this guy and the swaztika brings it to another level.

Cam Neely came close to losing his job for signing Mitchell and it sounds like this guys’s behaviour was just as bad if not worse. The moment a team drafts him, that city’s reporters will go into overdrive trying to dig up dirt.

We’ll see. I won’t be surprised if he never plays a game in the NHL.
 

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Lots of guys have scraps with teammates. But it seems to go beyond that with this guy and the swaztika brings it to another level.

Cam Neely came close to losing his job for signing Mitchell and it sounds like this guys’s behaviour was just as bad if not worse. The moment a team drafts him, that city’s reporters will go into overdrive trying to dig up dirt.

We’ll see. I won’t be surprised if he never plays a game in the NHL.

The GM, PoHo and owner who draft Connelly better be ready for the PR storm that will hit them when the skeletons are out of the closet. If the stories around Connelly are as bad as Mitchell Miller, I fully expect Bettman to intervene.
 
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le_sean

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As much as I would love a healthy Lindstrom with Montreal, I don't know if I'd feel comfortable taking him in the 5-7 range anymore. He missed half the season with an injury then comes back for 5 playoff games and now he's so banged up he's ineligible for the U18s. He relies on playing a heavy, physical game and the NHL is levels and levels above the WHL in terms of physicality, so I can't imagine his injury woes will get much better in the NHL.

As it stands, I think I'd prefer taking a gamble on Eiserman rounding out his game(something he's in control of) over taking a gamble on Lindstrom's health going forward(something he has limited control over).
Just sounds to me like a kid that was trying his best to avoid surgery and come back to help his team, but in the end should have just opted to end his season earlier. It could be a blessing for the Habs because he’s the exact type of player they need. If their medical professionals okay the pick, then we could have a massive steal.
 

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And that's what Hughes basically said, but it was really only LD that he was mentioning as the position that would lose the needs based tiebreaker. We can also just take Goalie out of that conversation as there's no generational goalie talent in this draft.

It doesn't remove Parekh from the equation but we can reasonably assume that Levshunov is not there at 5-9. Then if you win the lottery for #2, I don't think they'd take Levshunov over Demidov.
A tiebreaker is totally different than what I'm saying. All I'm saying is that if a LD is in a higher tier on their draft board compared to all other available players when it's their turn to pick, they will call out a LD and hand him a Habs sweater.

By higher tier, I don't simply mean one spot above in their rankings...I mean they have them in a different class of players as determined by Habs hockey brass/scouts. Most teams will have Celebrini in their top tier and then a small group of players in their 2nd tier.
 
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Just sounds to me like a kid that was trying his best to avoid surgery and come back to help his team, but in the end should have just opted to end his season earlier. It could be a blessing for the Habs because he’s the exact type of player they need. If their medical professionals okay the pick, then we could have a massive steal.
If that's the case then hopefully he didn't do too much additional damage.
 

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A tiebreaker is totally different than what I'm saying. All I'm saying is that if a LD is in a higher tier on their draft board compared to all other available players when it's their turn to pick, they will call out a LD and hand him a Habs sweater.

By higher tier, I don't simply mean one spot above in their rankings...I mean they have them in a different class of players as determined by Habs hockey brass/scouts. Most teams will have Celebrini in their top tier and then a small group of players in their 2nd tier.
Definitely the most interesting draft in a while for the Habs. Not just the unpredictable Top 10, but the fact they also likely want to add offence to the current team and might entertain multiple trades to get it done (ie trade down for more picks then trade for said player).
 
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Definitely the most interesting draft in a while for the Habs. Not just the unpredictable Top 10, but the fact they also likely want to add offence to the current team and might entertain multiple trades to get it done (ie trade down for more picks then trade for said player).
At some point they will certainly add a strong top 6 forward who fits with the age of the core group whether it be via the draft, trade or even free agency. Hughes is very patient, knows we aren't on the verge of contending for the Cup and has a great arsenal of tradable assets.
 

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A tiebreaker is totally different than what I'm saying. All I'm saying is that if a LD is in a higher tier on their draft board compared to all other available players when it's their turn to pick, they will call out a LD and hand him a Habs sweater.

By higher tier, I don't simply mean one spot above in their rankings...I mean they have them in a different class of players as determined by Habs hockey brass/scouts. Most teams will have Celebrini in their top tier and then a small group of players in their 2nd tier.
Which LD would be above Celebrini, Demidov, Iginla, Levshunov, Lindstrom, Catton , Eiserman if you are the Habs?
 

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Some NHL people were also aware he had been accused of directing a racial slur at an opponent during a game in 2021, which he has denied. He was initially suspended after that allegation, though the suspension was not upheld, with the disciplinary committee for the California Amateur Hockey Association writing that the allegation could not be corroborated. Connelly told The Athletic he doesn’t use racial slurs. Some teams were also aware that Connelly had been involved with four amateur programs from 2020-22, an unusually vagabond career for a player with his talent; one of those stops, at Bishop Kearney, a high school in Rochester, N.Y., with a select hockey program, lasted less than two weeks.

Connelly played six seasons for the Anaheim (Calif.) Jr. Ducks, ending with the 2018-19 season when Connelly was around 13, and The Athletic interviewed more than a dozen parents who had a child who was a teammate of Connelly’s during at least one of those seasons. Ten of those parents said they witnessed behavior by Connelly that they considered troubling, and eight of those 10 parents described Connelly’s actions as bullying.

Four parents said they saw Connelly punch a teammate during practice; three of those parents said they saw it happen multiple times. It was usually in response to Connelly getting frustrated, those three parents say, such as when he lost a puck battle or a teammate wouldn’t allow him to cut in line during a drill. Five parents said he would slash teammates with his stick out of frustration. Four of those five parents said they also saw him slew-foot players — trip an opponent from behind with a leg or foot.

Individually, those incidents are not unheard of at the highest levels of youth hockey. And some parents chalked up Connelly’s behavior to the fact that he was intensively competitive. However, the incidents were frequent enough that eight parents said that at some point they felt concern for the well-being of their son or that of other players.

Parents said Connelly also picked on some teammates in the locker room and away from the rink. He seemed to focus on players who were small in stature and/or were among the less talented members of the team, according to eight parents. He would make fun of their appearance, tell them they were not good players and that they didn’t belong on the team, among other insults. “He wasn’t just a troublemaker; it wasn’t just that. He was mean,” said one parent.

One mother said her son avoided team activities, like bus rides or team meals, to avoid being around Connelly more than was necessary. Another mother said her son asked to not stay at the team hotel because he didn’t want to be around Connelly. Yet another parent said she went so far as to ask her son to assist a player Connelly repeatedly picked on. “It’s frustrating when you have to tell your kid to protect his teammate from another teammate,” she said. Two players left the Anaheim Jr. Ducks program prior to or during or the 2017-18 season in part because of how they were treated by Connelly, according to three parents associated with that program.

In 2020, Connelly, then 14, enrolled at Bishop Kearney, which started a boys select hockey program during the pandemic, drawing top players from around the country. Almost immediately, the school suspended Connelly, but he left Bishop Kearney shortly thereafter. A public relations official working with the family said that all that should be written about Connelly’s short stint at the school is: “He was there for a week and he left.”

Sources involved in the school’s hockey program said that Connelly was suspended after urinating on another student’s belongings, among other alleged acts. One source said Connelly was acting in response to hazing that Connelly had received earlier. That source said he witnessed the hazing Connelly endured and also saw students tease Connelly about being hazed.

Connelly instead joined Anaheim’s Jr. Ice Dogs, and in April 2021, when he was 15 and playing for that team versus the L.A. Jr. Kings, he was accused of directing a racial slur at an opponent. What happened remains in dispute. The player came off the ice “so visibly shaken and upset with tears streaming down his face after the incident that I had to sit him for the remainder of the first period so he could collect himself,” according to an email his coach, Brett Beebe, sent to Pacific District official Wayne Sawchuk, which was viewed by The Athletic.
Really solid response. Thanks for the 411 on this kid. Absolute ND.
 

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Which LD would be above Celebrini, Demidov, Iginla, Levshunov, Lindstrom, Catton , Eiserman if you are the Habs?
I'm not talking about my rankings and I have no idea what the Habs list will look like. It's not very often that a draft could go in so many directions. I don't think there will be a consensus top 4 like there was last year.

As for LD, Silayev was #2 on Bobby Mac's mid-year rankings which is a poll of scouts from 10 NHL teams. That tells me that a lot of NHL teams viewed him as a top pairing dman back in January. We'll see how things have changed. Sam Dickinson is in the top 5 on many lists. Are they ranked that high on the Habs list? I don't know but one of them could be.
 

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Hughes had plenty of scouting done last night with Zeev Buium. Can be a dark horse pick. I’m telling you guys, I feel like we are getting a defenseman. Just a gut feeling, hope I’m wrong.

There were more than likely quite a few GMs and scouts at the game last night who all saw the same thing. If Hughes likes him, i'm assuming quite a few GM's like him.

I guess we will see how it plays out, but for equal talent, i'm assuming Hughes will be going Forward all day long.
 
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No way he falls that far.

That kid has 1st pair 25 mins/game D written all over him.

Overanalyzing players in their draft year is the only reason Dickinson would fall out of the top 5, let alone top 10.

He is a stud.

If teams in the top 10 are dumb enough to let him slide, team at #11 will get MANY calls.
Yes, his profile is very similar to Jake Sanderson, a good reliable defenseman that is a good at everything and with size, nah no team will let him slide. I would not even be surprised if he goes top 5.
 
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le_sean

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I'm not talking about my rankings and I have no idea what the Habs list will look like. It's not very often that a draft could go in so many directions. I don't think there will be a consensus top 4 like there was last year.

As for LD, Silayev was #2 on Bobby Mac's mid-year rankings which is a poll of scouts from 10 NHL teams. That tells me that a lot of NHL teams viewed him as a top pairing dman back in January. We'll see how things have changed. Sam Dickinson is in the top 5 on many lists. Are they ranked that high on the Habs list? I don't know but one of them could be.
I’m here for the board crashing when the Habs take Silayev with their pick :laugh:
 

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The GM, PoHo and owner who draft Connelly better be ready for the PR storm that will hit them when the skeletons are out of the closet. If the stories around Connelly are as bad as Mitchell Miller, I fully expect Bettman to intervene.
NHL teams are not PR team, maybe I am too old school but I find it weird that some draft hopeful prospect are viewed differently than other, it does seem like in his specific case it all leaked to the media and they dug more into it. Of course the team that draft him would do a background check on them based on all the crazy allegations as they I hope do with every hockey player, not just him. You don't want trouble maker like Sean Avery or Tony DeAngelo but at the same time you cannot assume that all other top prospects are angel either. I have watched hockey for way too long to know that too many hockey players can be complete assholes and self centered bullies. Maybe hockey has changed and they don't want anything that bring negative attention but many star players we all grew up loving and admire were clearly not all perfect citizen either.

If you started digging all prospect dirt, you would find most likely people bad mouth them and find stories that would make them look very bad.

That being said, his issues while very bad look on his character are not even close to Mitchell Miller as far as I am concerned. I am not ruling it out but for the allegations made against Connelly nothing came out as him attacking disable kids and forcing them to eat human stool and feeling no remorse like with Miller.
 
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