HF Habs: 2024 NHL Draft Thread

[The Last Red]

What exactly is a 1D anyway? If by 1D you mean an elite, franchise player, there are maybe 10 D-men of that caliber in the entire NHL. and that might be a stretch. If 64 becomes a top-pairing RD that's sufficient., even if he's not a 1D.

But . . . I would consider drafting Sam Dickinson instead of a forward if he's available when we pick, and Lindstrom and Demidov are not, is because of Guhle's apparent fragility. Dickinson will be a much thicker player when he's done developing physically. It's a cliche but the most important ability is availability.

 

[Tyson]

What exactly is a 1D anyway? If by 1D you mean an elite, franchise player, there are maybe 10 D-men of that caliber in the entire NHL. and that might be a stretch. If 64 becomes a top-pairing RD that's sufficient., even if he's not a 1D.

But . . . I would consider drafting Sam Dickinson instead of a forward if he's available when we pick, and Lindstrom and Demidov are not, is because of Guhle's apparent fragility. Dickinson will be a much thicker player when he's done developing physically. It's a cliche but the most important ability is availability.

If Dickinson is the perceived BPA, pick him

 

[Lockin17]

Current top 32.

Name​	Position​	League​
Macklin Celebrini​	C​	NCAA​
Ivan Demidov​	F​	MHL​
Cayden Lindstrom​	C​	WHL​
Sam Dickinson​	LHD​	OHL​
Berkly Catton​	C​	WHL​
Zayne Parekh​	RHD​	OHL​
Artyom Levshunov​	RHD​	NCAA​
Tij Iginla​	LW​	WHL​
Cole Eiserman​	LW​	USHL​
Konsta Helenius​	C​	Liiga​
Michael Brandsegg-Nygard​	LW​	Allsvenskan​
Carter Yakemchuk​	RHD​	WHL​
Anton Silayev​	LHD​	KHL​
Zeev Buium​	LHD​	NCAA​
Adam Jiricek​	RHD​	Czechia​
Emil Hemming​	RW​	Liiga​
Liam Greentree​	RW​	OHL​
Sacha Boisvert​	C​	USHL​
Beckett Sennecke​	RW​	OHL​
Nikita Artamonov​	C​	KHL​
Michael Hage​	C​	USHL​
Andrew Basha​	C​	WHL​
Dean Letourneau​	C​	PHC​
Ryder Ritchie​	C​	WHL​
Terik Parascak​	RW​	WHL​
Igor Chernyshov​	LW​	MHL​
Matvei Gridin​	LW​	USHL​
Yegor Surin​	C​	MHL​
Cole Hutson​	LHD​	USHL​
Trevor Connelly​	F​	USHL​
Henry Mews​	RHD​	OHL​
Alfons Freij​	LHD​	J20​

Is this your take on the mock draft or someone else ?

Anyway i think this is the most accurate one tbh

 

[The Last Red]

Is this your take on the mock draft or someone else ?

Anyway i think this is the most accurate one tbh

I doubt many, if any, NHL teams have Catton as high as 5.

 

[habsfan891]

I would say some people are starting to think Parekh has an above average possibility of being a 1D

Those people are wrong if they are basing it on what they see from him right now number 1 d need the ability to play defense

 

[WeThreeKings]

Is this your take on the mock draft or someone else ?

Anyway i think this is the most accurate one tbh

Just my list.

 

[The Last Red]

If Dickinson is the perceived BPA, pick him

I'm afraid it's not that simple. We need another very good top 6 F, so I'm down with drafting for need at 6-9. The KK example is a bad one . . . mostly because KK sucks.

 

[Lockin17]

Just my list.

well GJ on this..

 

[Hacketts]

Just my list.

Interesting to see the Elite Prospect guys have Tij over Catton right now. Man has he ever skyrocketed this season.

 

[le_sean]

Iginla with 1G 1A last night.

This was his goal that forced overtime which they ended up losing.



Iginla has 7 goals and 1 assist in 5 playoff games.

Not sure why anyone would take Eiserman ahead of him. The shot is almost comparable but Iginla brings far more of everything else.

 

[Schooner Guy]

Those people are wrong if they are basing it on what they see from him right now number 1 d need the ability to play defense

I remember the same thing being said about Makar and Karlsson.

Parekh and Yakemchuk just finished two of the best offensive seasons by a draft eligible defensemen in modern day OHL and WHL history. I think this draft is full of potential top pairing Dmen.

 

[le_sean]

His dad never had the out of the blocks speed Tij has. I love it.

I was surprised when I saw Jarome was only listed as 6’1. I always had the impression he was larger just from his style of play. Even if Tij is 50% of that, he’ll be a beast.

 

[habsfan891]

I remember the same thing being said about Makar and Karlsson.

Parekh and Yakemchuk just finished two of the best offensive seasons by a draft eligible defensemen in modern day OHL and WHL history. I think this draft is full of potential top pairing Dmen.

Karlsson might as well have been a winger I don't consider him a number 1 d at least Makar knows where the defensive zone is

 

[Schooner Guy]

Karlsson might as well have been a winger I don't consider him a number 1 d at least Makar knows where the defensive zone is

3 Norris Trophies, over 800 points, 53 points in 67 playoff games...but not a number 1 D.

He was unreal during his Ottawa years.

 

[Kent Nilsson]

Karlsson might as well have been a winger I don't consider him a number 1 d at least Makar knows where the defensive zone is

I have never seen a dman tilt the ice in his team’s favor as dominantly, on his own, as prime Karlsson.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I have never seen a dman tilt the ice in his team’s favor as dominantly, on his own, as prime Karlsson.

Orr, Park, Robinson, Lidstrom, Pronger, Makar, Bourque, Niedermayer, Coffey.....there are soooo many who tilted the ice more in their own teams favour. Karlsson took turns tilting the ice for and against his teams favour. I agree that he was more dominant than many of his detractors claim but he was always a problem to varying degrees for his own team. Apples to apples Coffey was better as he had a physical game that Karlsson lacked with all of the skill and offence that Karlsson had as well. Makar is also every bit as skilled as Karlsson in an apples to apples comparison and much better defensively.

Orr is the correct answer by a landslide though as he was significantly better than Karlsson at absolutely everything and the greatest dman by at least one order of magnitude.

 

[Kent Nilsson]

Orr, Park, Robinson, Lidstrom, Pronger, Makar, Bourque, Niedermayer, Coffey.....there are soooo many who tilted the ice more in their own teams favour. Karlsson took turns tilting the ice for and against his teams favour. I agree that he was more dominant than many of his detractors claim but he was always a problem to varying degrees for his own team. Apples to apples Coffey was better as he had a physical game that Karlsson lacked with all of the skill and offence that Karlsson had as well. Makar is also every bit as skilled as Karlsson in an apples to apples comparison and much better defensively.

Orr is the correct answer by a landslide though as he was significantly better than Karlsson at absolutely everything and the greatest dman by at least one order of magnitude.

I didnt say Karlsson is the best dman of all time and I’ve never seen Bobby Orr play. Prime Ottawa Karlsson (the team was basically him and Mark Stone) before the injuries derailed him is still under apprecited to this day. I cant believe how many cliche comments like yours we still read about him.

I think he had the highest peak for a dman in the cap era. To say he was not a #1D is beyond ridiculous.

 

[Vachon23]

Justin Poirier is not my favorite but in the third round, maybe. He's short but built like a pitbull and his shot....Wow. Snake Boisvert thinks his shot is better than Caufield's.


https://x.com/LCHhockey/status/1775668503212679496

If he’s there in the 3rd round, you jump on it

 

[crosbyshow]

He is so good. Always his head so high. Puck control..

His variations in his play in term of speed, playmaking, zone entrance is off chart.

His sauce passes and he is so good to feed his teamates in empty spaces

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

3 Norris Trophies, over 800 points, 53 points in 67 playoff games...but not a number 1 D.

He was unreal during his Ottawa years.

He was definitely a special player but all 3 of his Norris wins are a joke imo, especially last year's win where he did not even attempt to defend. He was never better than either Chara or Doughty or even Weber in their prime. The Norris trophy is a ridiculous award that has become to focused on offensive stats. There is not a coach in the league that would have taken Karlsson over any of these 3 in their prime.

There is no debating that he was a legitimate #1D though and in his prime his contributions definitely outweighed his defensive issues but the other three that I listed were so dominant defensively while being high end offensive producers that there should not have been any conversation that ended with Karlsson being voted the best Dman because he never was. This is what happens when clueless media types who never played the game and fondle themselves watching highlights get to vote on such matters.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Justin Poirier is not my favorite but in the third round, maybe. He's short but built like a pitbull and his shot....Wow. Snake Boisvert thinks his shot is better than Caufield's.


https://x.com/LCHhockey/status/1775668503212679496

Not necessarily commenting on Poirier but this is further evidence why Boisvert is a foolish monkey who is primarily a sideshow on Marinaro's island of lost toys.

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

I have never seen a dman tilt the ice in his team’s favor as dominantly, on his own, as prime Karlsson.

He was a dominant player, not so much a dominant defenseman if that even makes sense. Its like in basketball if you're a PG but player more like a wing (doesn't pass, just isos) and dominates. I'd consider you a dominant player not a dominant point guard. Karlssons dominance started with his transition and ended in the offensive zone. There is a reason why his defence partner was Marc Methot. Taking nothing away from his brilliance, he just lacked the most important part of being a defenceman. He was the anti-Weber at even strength

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

He was a dominant player, not so much a dominant defenseman if that even makes sense. Its like in basketball if you're a PG but player more like a wing (doesn't pass, just isos) and dominates. I'd consider you a dominant player not a dominant point guard. Karlssons dominance started with his transition and ended in the offensive zone. There is a reason why his defence partner was Marc Methot. Taking nothing away from his brilliance, he just lacked the most important part of being a defenceman. He was the anti-Weber at even strength

He was such a net positive in those two aspects that I don't really care what you'd want to call him. He was the best in the world at his position, even if he played like a rover.

Gainey never put up big points but he was absolutely one of the best centermen even if he neglected the "most important part of his position"

 

[Schooner Guy]

He was definitely a special player but all 3 of his Norris wins are a joke imo, especially last year's win where he did not even attempt to defend. He was never better than either Chara or Doughty or even Weber in their prime. The Norris trophy is a ridiculous award that has become to focused on offensive stats. There is not a coach in the league that would have taken Karlsson over any of these 3 in their prime.

There is no debating that he was a legitimate #1D though and in his prime his contributions definitely outweighed his defensive issues but the other three that I listed were so dominant defensively while being high end offensive producers that there should not have been anynconversation that ended with Karlsson being voted the best Dman because he never was. This is what happens when clueless media types who never played the game and fondle themselves watching highlights get to vote on such matters.

He was a dominant player, not so much a dominant defenseman if that even makes sense. Its like in basketball if you're a PG but player more like a wing (doesn't pass, just isos) and dominates. I'd consider you a dominant player not a dominant point guard. Karlssons dominance started with his transition and ended in the offensive zone. There is a reason why his defence partner was Marc Methot. Taking nothing away from his brilliance, he just lacked the most important part of being a defenceman. He was the anti-Weber at even strength

He's a first ballot Hall of Famer. Would you take him at #6 overall this June? That's how all this started.

Geezaz...he has outscored our top forward almost every season throughout his Hall of Fame career.

 

[Nevins]

He is so good. Always his head so high. Puck control..

His variations in his play in term of speed, playmaking, zone entrance is off chart.

His sauce passes and he is so good to feed his teamates in empty spaces

He reminds me a lot of Nick Suzuki,