HF Habs: 2024 NHL Draft Thread

Who do you want at #5?

  • Tij Iginla

    Votes: 209 49.5%
  • Cole Eiserman

    Votes: 14 3.3%
  • Berkly Catton

    Votes: 92 21.8%
  • Konsta Helenius

    Votes: 13 3.1%
  • Beckett Sennecke

    Votes: 75 17.8%
  • Zayne Parekh

    Votes: 19 4.5%

  • Total voters
    422
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morhilane

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Wasn't the talk before the 2022 draft that we had multiple interviews with Wright but only a last minute one with Slafkovsky and he was the only one we didn't invite to a dinner?

I'm not sure you can put too much weight into who/how often they interview different players.
Hughes puts a lot of focus on personality/mental compatibility with the market so interviews might have more emphasis now then under MB for top picks, so it gets talked more by players/agents to the media (it's not revealed by the team).

They also interviewed Wright more, because they were questioning his mental/personality and wanted multiple opinions.

I'm intrigued to see how Helenius performs at the U18s. I get the feeling he'd be talked about a lot more if he was in the CHL.
Helenius was invited to the Finnish Worlds preparation camp, he will probably not be at the u18s.
 

JoelWarlord

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Exactly. If you think you’ll get a Cutter Gauthier type for Logan Mailloux after drafting Parekh, I think you’re in for disappointment.
You're right but the annoying part is that on talent and as a direct comparable Mailloux or Barron genuinely would be justified as the main piece if they were willing to accept f***ing Drysdale for him. What an absolute disaster for the Flyers that trade was.
 
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le_sean

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You're right but the annoying part is that on talent and as a direct comparable Mailloux or Barron genuinely would be justified as the main piece if they were willing to accept f***ing Drysdale for him. What an absolute disaster for the Flyers that trade was.
A player’s draft profile seems to follow them for a lot longer than it should. “Oh he’s a Top 10 pick, maybe we can fix him”
 

SlafySZN

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Exponential growth. Definitely an habs scout :laugh:

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McGees

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Hughes puts a lot of focus on personality/mental compatibility with the market so interviews might have more emphasis now then under MB for top picks, so it gets talked more by players/agents to the media (it's not revealed by the team).

They also interviewed Wright more, because they were questioning his mental/personality and wanted multiple opinions.


Helenius was invited to the Finnish Worlds preparation camp, he will probably not be at the u18s.
Bergys only criteria for drafting players was how well they did in an arm wrestle with him.
 

crosbyshow

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So on big ice against bad teams where there’s less contact? Sounds like the perfect scenario for a perimeter player.

When you’re outplayed by Ryder Ritchie in the playoffs despite playing 30 mins a game…yeah we have concerns.
At 116 points and 54 goals alone on his team.....for a perimeter player ...bring me him everyday of the week
 
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Nevins

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I can confirm to you from a reliable source that as of today, the CH has still not met Cole Eiserman. The only form of communication between the two clans was via questionnaire.




 
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Nevins

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The CH has held at least two meetings with (very offensive) defender Zayne Parekh so far; one via zoom and the second in person in Saginaw.-Same thing for the electrifying Berkly Catton, whom the team met in Spokane.

 

dcyhabs

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Agreed. It's not a given that with excess players at a given position, they can get the equivalent at a position of scarcity. It's not a perfect market. GMs sniff weakness and exploit it.
Other GMs can't stop a team from drafting who they want. They can refuse to trade. Teams mostly overvalue their own prospects, just as we do on the board, so it's tough to make an even trade for prospects.

The prospects who get traded are normally guys who have fallen out of favor or who don't fit. It can work out, sometimes you get Suzuki instead of Glass, but it pretty much depends on another team being unable to evaluate their own players. Lots of teams have dealt with the habs for this reason. The habs traded away a bunch of guys below value starting in the late '90s, and they haven't done it that often but pretty much every GM since Houle had a terrible trade of a player they hadn't evaluated correctly.

You have to be careful of teams perceived to be in tough spots. The trades for Gomez and Drouin were supposed to be steals because the players were being dumped.

High draft picks are amazing value. Most draft picks, and especially most out of the top 10, end up being worthless. If you can evaluate the picks correctly both before and after making them, you have a huge advantage. Tinordi could have been great value if the habs had dealt him within a year of drafting him.

Hughes will probably make at least one major mistake in the next year or two. It's unavoidable with draft picks, too much uncertainty. He looks to be playing the percentages correctly, though. Dealing late firsts for skilled young guys with upside makes sense, dealing the same picks for a pretty good older player, maybe not so much. It shouldn't really affect the calculation if one or both of the picks becomes a star, like Debrincat, but it certainly emphasizes that the trade was maybe not great value.


I guess, in short, I agree that if you have way too many players at a position it is not easy to trade the ones that you want to trade for good value at other positions. Perceived value from other GMs is the player's value to you, if you are trying to trade him that value drops.
 

EveryDay

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Please just draft BFA on their list!

Celebrini
Demidov
Lindstrom
Iginla
Helenius
Catton
Eiserman

And one more F with Winnipeg pick unless KH make a trade.
 

Draft

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There’s a lot of fantasizing going on with Iginla.

If people are expecting Tij to be like his dad, that’s really not his game. He’s not a grinder and never has been. His compete is pretty average and doesn’t really get into the scrum of things or engage physically. He’s a really solid skill forward with average size. Compared to his dad, a completely different style of player with mostly average to above average tools with a knack for scoring. Not comparable to Leonard at this time last year and not a small-sized power forward.

The growth is great and his shot has really come along, but there are better skill forwards around where he’ll be picked. What he’s doing in the playoffs is impressive, but he doesn’t yet belong in the same tier as Demidov/Lindstrom/Helenius/Catton IMO.
 

BergevinBurner

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There’s a lot of fantasizing going on with Iginla.

If people are expecting Tij to be like his dad, that’s really not his game. He’s not a grinder and never has been. His compete is pretty average and doesn’t really get into the scrum of things or engage physically. He’s a really solid skill forward with average size. Compared to his dad, a completely different style of player with mostly average to above average tools with a knack for scoring. Not comparable to Leonard at this time last year and not a small-sized power forward.

The growth is great and his shot has really come along, but there are better skill forwards around where he’ll be picked. What he’s doing in the playoffs is impressive, but he doesn’t yet belong in the same tier as Demidov/Lindstrom/Helenius/Catton IMO.
I'm not onboard the Iginla hype train yet either.

I have him in the mix with Helenius and Catton, but firmly behind Celebrini, Demidov, Lindstrom and Eiserman. If we were picking in the 10-15 range I'd probably be all over him, but I'm not convinced I'd want him over the other 4 forwards or most of the top 6 defensemen.
 

KevSkillz4

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My ranking for Habs, fowards only:

1 - Celebrini.
2 - Demidov.
3 - Lindstrom.
4 - Eiserman.
5 - Iginla.
6 - Catton.
7 - Helenius.

Celebrini, Demidov or Lindstrom will be a Habs if they pick top 3 after the draft lottery.

Eiserman should be the pick if he is available at 6-7-8 range, he have too huge potential.

Iginla and Catton are a toss up to me, they are both really good and they worth a selection with the Habs high pick. I'd prefer the complete game of Iginla, but Catton have unreal offensive potential. Iginla is very skilled aswell though.

Helenius, I don't know what feeling with him, but if Habs pick him, I would be ok because I trust Habs scouts. They nailed it so far in 2022 and 2023 draft.
 

The Last Red

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We’ll know the identity of the pick when he hear whose hockey gloves have arrived at Trudeau (Pierre, not the idiot son) Airport.
 

bopeep

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bc


I don't think the apple falls too far from the tree... If he's got half the heart of his dad, Tij will do just fine
 
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