HF Habs: 2024 NHL Draft Thread

[BergevinBurner]

We'd be the first team in NHL history to run 5 defensemen on the powerplay.

Seriously though, what an atrocious decision that would be.

His logic is that be thinks Celebrini, Demidov and Lindstrom are gone before our pick, and he views the top 5 defensemen(Parekh/Buium/Yakemchuk/Levshunov/Dickinson) as being a tier above any forwards left at that point.

 

[McGees]

He’s not fancy and he’s not the play driver. But he can finish. It’s very Bossy-ish, Brett Hull-ish. Get lost in traffic and shoot.



He’s not Steve Yzerman or Denis Savard and based on what I’ve seen he’s not going to make a lot of highlight type plays. But this is the kind of guy who’s going to score a lot of goals.

Just like Hoffman the goat.

 

[SannywithoutCompy]

His logic is that be thinks Celebrini, Demidov and Lindstrom are gone before our pick, and he views the top 5 defensemen(Parekh/Buium/Yakemchuk/Levshunov/Dickinson) as being a tier above any forwards left at that point.

My issue with that, and I've said it before, is that we can't develop all the defensemen we'll have in our system, and so BPA becomes sort of irrelevant since we won't be maximizing development

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Just like Hoffman the goat.

And you think Hoffman had the same resume that Eiserman does?

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

What risk? I am curious.

He is 5.11 but what red flags you with him except his size

Stanley Cup winners are usually signficantly larger than other teams and the league is full of smaller players who just can't get it done in the playoffs. I am a firm believer in acquiring assets that will help win Stanley Cups and am not interested in using premium draft picks or trading premium assets for anything less than core pieces for a championship team. There are plenty of examples of smaller players who have been great in the playoffs, including recent examples such as Point and Marchessault but they are outliers.

Most smaller CHL scoring stars will fail due to their size disadvantage and this has clearly been shown for a long time. I do see some special qualities in Catton but I am not confident that he will be a difference maker in the NHL playoffs. This is not to assert that I do not believe in him either, I have just seen far more examples of his particular archetype fail in the playoffs than I have seen succeed and therein lies the risk of using a top ten pick on him.

If Hughes and his scouts do their due diligence and select him then I will be all in as there is a lot to love about this kid's game. I have been pumping Helenius' tires as well and he is also a little undersized but he is significantly stronger and much more physical than Catton.

So many interesting options and if Catton is your guy then so be it as he is very intriguing and would be easy to get behind. If we don't win the lottery and get Celebrini I don't have a clear dog in the race for our selection as there are too many acceptable options who each have their own strengths and weaknesses.

 

[Andrei79]

There aren’t Denis Savards anymore either.

The way to score goals is to get lost in the weeds and fire off. Ovechkin (a dynamic player who did more than just score) scored tons of his goals this way. Caufield was doing this as well. Matthews isn’t fancy either - though he’s a solid two way player.

I see little reason to doubt that Eiserman will be anything less than a 40 goal guy. That doesn’t mean we should draft him ahead of others or that he’s got a complete game - but that shot’s amazing and he knows how to use it.

The main thing about him is that he’s only 17 and I think the other aspects can be taught. I love the ceiling. I just don’t want us to take Doug Jarvis over Mike Bossy again.

I don't know how anyone can seriously say there is little doubt that a draft year player will be anything less than 40 goal guy. Were not talking about a player with an already highly translable game like Matthews or Bédard hère.

Laine was a far better prospect as a goal scorer, better shot, better physical tools and he's done it only once, while constantly being criticized for the holes in his game.

Then you have someone like Svechnikov who was goal per game in the OHL outside of the few games he came back for injury and he's yet to score more than 30 goals.

As far Eiserman goes, I can see multiple paths where he's not a 40 goal scorer.

 

[McGees]

And you think Hoffman had the same resume that Eiserman does?

no - but still wouldn't make the pick unless we fall closer to 10.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I don't know how anyone can seriously say there is little doubt that a draft year player will be anything less than 40 goal guy. Were not talking about a player with an already highly translable game like Matthews or Bédard hère.

Laine was a far better prospect as a goal scorer, better shot, better physical tools and he's done it only once, while constantly being criticized for the holes in his game.

Then you have someone like Svechnikov who was goal per game in the OHL outside of the few games he came back for injury and he's yet to score more than 30 goals.

As far Eiserman goes, I can see multiple paths where he's not a 40 goal scorer.

Okay fair enough. You’re right it’s overstating things and not my intent. I should have used the word ‘could’ instead of ‘will’.

I’ll rephrase.

I think it’s clear that he’s got the tools to be a perpetual 40+ goal scorer. The upside is there for him to be a truly elite goal scorer.

Fair?

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

no - but still wouldn't make the pick unless we fall closer to 10.

That’s cool. But Hoffman was taken in the 5th round. I don’t know why his name would come up here.

 

[McGees]

That’s cool. But Hoffman was taken in the 5th round. I don’t know why his name would come up here.

ok Kaliyev, Jack Quinn, Zadina, Tippet, Wahlstrom..etc...Point is one dimension won't get you far, but we'll see. I've only seen a couple games and highlights but just not my style player.

 

[BergevinBurner]

Lindstrom with an assist in his first period back from injury.

 

[Andrei79]

Okay fair enough. You’re right it’s overstating things and not my intent.

I’ll rephrase.

I think it’s clear that he’s got the tools to be a perpetual 40+ goal scorer. The upside is there for him to be a truly elite goal scorer.

Fair?

...yes. I dont like this thing youre doing right now. Being fair and reasonable. I want to fight damnit.

 

[austin316]

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned here, but in Grant McCags's lastest mock draft he has Montreal taking Yakemchuk at 6th.

I know it's not impossible, but I think it's a stretch we'd use our first pick on another RHD when we just drafted Reinbacher and have Mailloux/Barron in the system.

Barron and Mailloux may very well never pan out. If we have a chance to draft Yakemchuk or Parekh we should be jumping all over it. Dickinson would also be an amazing choice. We have an opportunity to solidify our defense for the next decade.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

ok Kaliyev, Jack Quinn, Zadina, Tippet, Wahlstrom..etc...Point is one dimension won't get you far, but we'll see. I've only seen a couple games and highlights but just not my style player.

Assuming he doesn't improve the other aspects of his game, he'll need to be paired with a good center and put in the right environment. He's not who I'd start a rebuild with but where we're at? I think he'd fit in nicely.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I don't know how anyone can seriously say there is little doubt that a draft year player will be anything less than 40 goal guy. Were not talking about a player with an already highly translable game like Matthews or Bédard hère.

Laine was a far better prospect as a goal scorer, better shot, better physical tools and he's done it only once, while constantly being criticized for the holes in his game.

Then you have someone like Svechnikov who was goal per game in the OHL outside of the few games he came back for injury and he's yet to score more than 30 goals.

As far Eiserman goes, I can see multiple paths where he's not a 40 goal scorer.

Agreed, if NHL teams thought that he was a lock to be a multiple 40 goal scoring winger he would be a lock to go in the top 3 of the draft. The fact is that there are red flags that signal his potential to flop and be a one dimensional shooter who doesn't score any where near the 40+ he would need to score to off set his negative impacts on the ice.

I think he is intriguing and I trust the Habs to do their homework on him. I think that we are in a unique situation with MSL, Nicholas and our comprehensive and innovative development culture/program. I do believe that HuGo/MSL and their scouts factor in their development system and how compatible certain draft prospects are with it into their decisions. If they think that Eiserman would be an eager pupil perhaps they see more value in him than others who might be deterred more by some of his red flags.

 

[HuGo Sham]

thoughts on Iginla?

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

ok Kaliyev, Jack Quinn, Zadina, Tippet, Wahlstrom..etc...Point is one dimension won't get you far, but we'll see. I've only seen a couple games and highlights but just not my style player.

??? Tippett is doing fine. Quinn is a scoring line goal scorer if he can stay healthy.

Lindstrom has finally returned. 1 assit so far tonight.

 

[red devil]

Lindstrom's 1st game back from injury

 

[SlafySZN]

 

[habsfan891]

Yep. I really hope no matter who we draft people get behind him.

Because of the diversity of opinion I suspect it will really be difficult to wind up with BPA. High chance someone gets picked lower and overperforms in this kind of draft.

It doesn’t matter though. If we get a good player who can help us win a cup that’s what’s important. So if it’s Demodov or Catton or whoever I’ll be good with it.

But we’ve got to take a forward. Please no blueliners with that top pick.

If they take another d I might have a breakdown

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Lindstrom's 1st game back from injury

Nice

 

[McGees]

Lindstrom's 1st game back from injury

I like how Lindstrom does all the work and the dude who picked up the garbage goal celebrates like he won the cup.

 

[Michoulicious]

His logic is that be thinks Celebrini, Demidov and Lindstrom are gone before our pick, and he views the top 5 defensemen(Parekh/Buium/Yakemchuk/Levshunov/Dickinson) as being a tier above any forwards left at that point.

Yakemchuk has serious toolbox issues.

Any team drafting him before a guy like Dickinson because he shoots right would be really dumb... And I like Yakemchuk. He has the size, the shot, the meanness.

But he ain't no Dickinson.

 

[Gustave]

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I like how Lindstrom does all the work and the dude who picked up the garbage goal celebrates like he won the cup.

Agree, man did not expect to ever score a playoff goal it seems because that’s over the top.

 

[McGees]

For some reason I feel like Flames will somehow end up with Iggy - like it's meant to be.