HF Habs: 2024 NHL Draft Thread

[SOLR]

Kent's master plan is to have Tuch and Hudson kidnap Celebrini.

 

[teamfirst]

I would add that there's a world of difference between drafting for size and skill like Slaf and Reinbacher compared to drafting big lugs who offered nothing beyond size like McCarron and Tinordi.

To be fair Tinordi was drafted 22nd overall and McCarron 25th

 

[CristianoRonaldo]

When I read people talking about trading Kaiden, I'm getting PTSD from Sergy and McDonagh trades...

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Draft Trent Swick later on, please and thank you.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Agree but in the case of Bergevin, its not that what he said was bad, its how he acted it.

How can you value leadership and attitude and end up with player like Galchenyuk, Beaulieu? KK over Tkachuk?

KK over Tkachuk is what happens when you draft for need over BPA

 

[GlassesJacketShirt]

I wouldn't trade Guhle to make room for Dickinson, and doubly so for Silayev. That's four years of development resources down the tube for a mystery box.

 

[le_sean]

I wouldn't trade Guhle to make room for Dickinson, and doubly so for Silayev. That's four years of development resources down the tube for a mystery box.

Again, it would be trading Guhle for a good offensive player. Trading from a position of strength for one of need. Picking a defenceman that falls would simply be taking BPA and mitigating the loss of a young defender.

If we take a forward not named Celibrini, Demidov, Lindstrom or Catton, we will be waiting 4 years for offensive impact when our team desperately needs help on offence now and have nothing in the pipeline.

Just adding to the ongoing draft discussion. It’s not something I’d personally be aiming for.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I wouldn't trade Guhle to make room for Dickinson, and doubly so for Silayev. That's four years of development resources down the tube for a mystery box.

These are the type of fan generated ideas that are the reason why these forums are a target of ridicule. Management is working dilligently to get our prospects to develop as quickly and successfully as possible.....trading one of the most advanced top prospects of that group for an opportunity to start over is asinine.

I am a huge proponent of building the back end and the middle with high leverage assets and if you are going to cut corners it is on the wings and in net where you can draft goalies late and easily trade excess dmen for good wingers.

We have an embarrassment of riches as far as young D are concerned and have Suzuki and Dach locked in as our top centers with guys like Beck and Kapanen being very projectable as high end bottom 6 centers. Our goalie prospect depth and having Slaf, Caufield, Roy and Newhook on the wings is more than enough if the defence pans out. The defence and two centers are key and there is no way that Guhle gets moved due to this.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Kent's master plan is to have Tuch and Hudson kidnap Celebrini.

If we win the lottery, the Montreal Canadiens may have multiple Cups in the relatively near future. This would officailly have us stacked at both defence and forward for years to come with a very promising looking future in net as well.

Suzuki has graduated to a legitimate #1 center and Dach has every bit of ability to reach and even exceed Suzuki's status. Adding Celebrini would just be gross. If we get him, I would start him as the 3rd line center but eventually move him up with Suzuki and Slaf where they could form a dominant shutdown line that crushes the opponents top line like the Bergeron, Marchand, Pastrnak line did and like the Barkov, Reinhart, Verhaege/Tarasenko line are currently doing. Caufield and Dach and Newhook/Roy would be more of an exploitation line due to Suzuki's line drawing the opposition top D pairing.

Sorry.....fantasizing out loud but if we win the lottery it will be a huge turning point for this franchise where I believe that we would be serious cup contenders in 3 years from now.

 

[TheBuriedHab]

KK over Tkachuk is what happens when you draft for need over BPA

Most people on these boards said that KK was the better player vs Tkachuk at the time.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Most people on these boards said that KK was the better player vs Tkachuk at the time.

I don't think it was most people, but there certainly was some copium after the pick.

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

I don't think it was most people, but there certainly was some copium after the pick.

It was the same rationale as Reinbacher, that if both players reach their full potential, the 1C or the 1RD is more valuable than the winger.

 

[TheBuriedHab]

I don't think it was most people, but there certainly was some copium after the pick.

It was before the pick. Tkachuk had 8 goals in his draft year and people thought he was just a grinder. It was a very popular opinion. Almost nobody on this board was advocating for Tkachuk to be our pick. It was KK, Boqvist, Zadina and Hughes that were mostly talked about here.

 

[Jaynki]

KK over Tkachuk is what happens when you draft for need over BPA

Price over Brule is what happen when you draft BPA over need

 

[Jaynki]

It was the same rationale as Reinbacher, that if both players reach their full potential, the 1C or the 1RD is more valuable than the winger.

No its not the same "rationale."

Its your opinion only.

Because following the "rationale" you imply, why would we have drafted an unproductive liiga winger over two top centerman and top pair RD?

There is copium indeed, just not same one as when KK/Tkachuk happened, if you understand.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

It was the same rationale as Reinbacher, that if both players reach their full potential, the 1C or the 1RD is more valuable than the winger.

That is the correct rationale given that the likelihood of both players reaching their potential is also comparable.

 

[CHwest]

It was before the pick. Tkachuk had 8 goals in his draft year and people thought he was just a grinder. It was a very popular opinion. Almost nobody on this board was advocating for Tkachuk to be our pick. It was KK, Boqvist, Zadina and Hughes that were mostly talked about here.

Your memory of events is wrong, there were definitely folks that wanted Tkachuk.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Your memory of events is wrong, there were definitely folks that wanted Tkachuk.

Its my fault for believing mrb1p, I'm sorry guys.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

It was before the pick. Tkachuk had 8 goals in his draft year and people thought he was just a grinder. It was a very popular opinion. Almost nobody on this board was advocating for Tkachuk to be our pick. It was KK, Boqvist, Zadina and Hughes that were mostly talked about here.

There were still plenty of people who wanted Tkachuk over Kotkaniemi including myself although I also wanted Zadina over KK and I am not sure that was a great call. There were a loud but relatively small contingent of knuckle heads who kept quoting Tkachuk's goal totals but they were not the majority. I think there were more people who wanted each of Tkachuk, Zadina and Hughes than those that were in KK's corner but most were intrigued by KK's rising status so they weren't overly upset with the pick but it was universally considered a risk gamble in taking him over the 3 that I just mentioned and many just took the approach of waiting to see if we indeed got the best center in the draft......turns out it may have been the worst draft for centers in the history of the league with KK and Sarangovich currently battling it out 6 years later to be the top scoring centers from the 2018 draft lol.

 

[vokiel]

KK over Tkachuk is what happens when you draft for need over BPA

No it's what happens when some asshole sales person sells a fruitcake from la Liga as the BPA to a GM who doesn't care anymore.

Your memory of events is wrong, there were definitely folks that wanted Tkachuk.

I definitely wanted him, and convert him to a center after the pick haha

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Apologies as I feel like wethreekings might have mentioned this, but...


When it comes to the draft, the Habs do mock drafts for not only this year, but years down the line to try and determine which type of players will be available. They did this for Slakovsky and was mentioned that they didn't see a player like him being available for them (habs) in the future.

So, the Habs did a mock draft for this year and potentially next year when they were deciding on Reinbacher. Sounds like that they also didn't see a chance to get a player like him, so they drafted him.

- Godin, Basu Podcast.

 

[vokiel]

Apologies as I feel like wethreekings might have mentioned this, but...


When it comes to the draft, the Habs do mock drafts for not only this year, but years down the line to try and determine which type of players will be available. They did this for Slakovsky and was mentioned that they didn't see a player like him being available for them (habs) in the future.

So, the Habs did a mock draft for this year and potentially next year when they were deciding on Reinbacher. Sounds like that they also didn't see a chance to get a player like him, so they drafted him.

- Godin, Basu Podcast.

Makes sense, not sure Levshunov or Parekh are equivalent dmen to Reinbacher. But if you go down that reasoning, Leonard and Mitchkov don't exactly have equivalent picks anywhere in this draft either.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Most people on these boards said that KK was the better player vs Tkachuk at the time.

That just is not true

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Makes sense, not sure Levshunov or Parekh are equivalent dmen to Reinbacher. But if you go down that reasoning, Leonard and Mitchkov don't exactly have equivalent picks anywhere in this draft either.

I think Michkov is equivalent to Demidov and it sounds like MBN could be equivalent to Leonard..

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Makes sense, not sure Levshunov or Parekh are equivalent dmen to Reinbacher. But if you go down that reasoning, Leonard and Mitchkov don't exactly have equivalent picks anywhere in this draft either.

I am not sure that Demidov is that far off from Michkov and I think Tij Iginla is closing the gap on Leonard.