2024 NHL Draft Thread - Upd: Draft Lottery is May 7th

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Something about great minds TLEH. No idea what it has to do with us but I find myself agreeing with you on prospects a lot.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Dekidiv= best puck-hamdlerbin the draft..One scout I heard said he rates him a 10 in puck-handling and he never have anyone a perfectc10/10 i tgat category beforehand alk tye years he has been scouting..so Demidov's skill in that depth. Is almost beyond elite..
However :

1.He has not proven anything agaibst men (yet) ..only in the MJL..still comparing to other draft eligible Russians taken fron the NHL his 2.0 ppg is spectacular..

2.He pkays in a wider bigger euro rink.. thereisctgatvussue..can he still dangle in more confined quarters?


3.Unlike other "offense only "small forwards(P.Kane etc) he actually is committed to a hard work ethic in checking with enthusiasm...too small to ever be "physicsl" but at least willing and not a la,y :cheater" 1 eY guy...so at least there is that good aspect to his game.


4.Like any smaller guy the risk is that junior performance may disappear when confronted with bigger more physical pros banging on them..And so there Always is that worry.

But Beddar dis small...has not stopped his offense But that offense can be limited by not beibg able to get pucks back and get out of own zone because bigger more defensive teans hem in the smaller weaker forwards in their own zone...winiing both battles and posession jostles to gain and re-gain control of the puck.





Sobevthibgs smaller guys just cannot do.

The concern is balance...cannot have too many small guys in top 6 forwards Should have some balance to get more strength to wi puck battles

Thus Bedard +Lardis or Bedard +Nazar on see line may simply get out-muscled and hemmed in own zone ..only offebse coming from occasional 2 ones in transition..but NOT from sustained pressure in o-zobe because they get hemmed in in d-zobe..chase and do not win pucks back.

They need a Hossa to do that ..get those pucks back and then help clear space for them in o-zobe once they get in


You cannot be all smallish skill guys.

That us why Denidov may be wong fot considering smaller forwards Hawks already have coming g .

Most rinks in KHL/VHL/MHL are Canadian size, SKA-1946's has small ice for sure.

Btw KHLer Artamonov is 6+3 after 9 games in the playoffs, it's about "weak MHL"...

 

[TLEH]

Something about great minds TLEH. No idea what it has to do with us but I find myself agreeing with you on prospects a lot.

Combination of evaluating the high end ceiling but not losing sight of the floor and still just scouting based on how players perform in game rather than fawning over toolsy guys who can't play.

 

[MicronMega]

Eiserman has been a guy that has dropped since the beginning of the season because he is one dmensional. If he drops to 11-15 would it be worth trading up to add him? Especially if the Hawks win the lottery with Celebrini. Getting those two would be a pretty amazing draft

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

So many people I feel have strong opinions on guys they just don't know. Like I'm not a pro scout. I like who I like. That's hard for people to admit for some reason.

 

[belfour30]

So many people I feel have strong opinions on guys they just don't know. Like I'm not a pro scout. I like who I like. That's hard for people to admit for some reason.

I base my opinions on others who have seen the guys play.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

I base my opinions on others who have seen the guys play.

Basing it on others is a bad look.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Like it's not your opinion. It's regurgitating others opinion. Give yours. Right or wrong.

 

[belfour30]

Basing it on others is a bad look.

I really don't have time to watch these guys myself.
So I read a lot of scouting reports and used to read Wheeler/Pronman/Peters and base my opinions off theirs.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

I really don't have time to watch these guys myself.
So I read a lot of scouting reports and used to read Wheeler/Pronman/Peters and base my opinions off theirs.

Then don't present it as fact. I've never given a prospect ranking for a reason.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Demidov I don't know. I'm taking Catton at two. I'm feeling good about it.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Combination of evaluating the high end ceiling but not losing sight of the floor and still just scouting based on how players perform in game rather than fawning over toolsy guys who can't play.

Legit lol'd.

 

[TLEH]

I can't wait for this years draft to be honest. Such an odd class.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Like two through seven I'll get it.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

I can't wait for this years draft to be honest. Such an odd class.

It's gonna be a very fun draft for certain.

 

[Kevin Musto]

I can't wait for this years draft to be honest. Such an odd class.

It is a truly bizarre draft class

I've never really subscribed to the sentiment that the draft is one big crapshoot... but I do kind of feel that way about this year's draft

 

[TLEH]

It's gonna be a very fun draft for certain.

It is a truly bizarre draft class

I've never really subscribed to the sentiment that the draft is one big crapshoot... but I do kind of feel that way about this year's draft

Were going to see some truly off the board stuff. I think Iginla will end up in Calgary just like his dad. Bill Armstrong is taking Silayev.

Honestly if we do select 2 I think they look at our current group and take Lindstrom. I won't hate it but it won't feel like BPA to me.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Were going to see some truly off the board stuff. I think Iginla will end up in Calgary just like his dad. Bill Armstrong is taking Silayev.

Honestly if we do select 2 I think they look at our current group and take Lindstrom. I won't hate it but it won't feel like BPA to me.

He feels so safe. If we're going safe take Catton.

 

[Hattrick Kane]

Were going to see some truly off the board stuff. I think Iginla will end up in Calgary just like his dad. Bill Armstrong is taking Silayev.

Honestly if we do select 2 I think they look at our current group and take Lindstrom. I won't hate it but it won't feel like BPA to me.

I tend to agree on Lindstrom. But our forward prospect group is talented but rather small. The only guys with size we have in our pool are Dach, Misiak and Hayes, whose ceilings are probably limited. So I could see them trying to diversify.

Defense also isn’t a super need that it was even 3 years ago. Jones is here for his contract, Vlasic is now playing top pairing minutes. Korchinski is full time and only gonna get better. Kaiser has looked better and EDM and Allan both look to be getting close. And then Rinzel is developing in college.

We might see multiple picks this year going for forwards with size, given how much of a crapshoot it is, might as well try to peg those rare big forwards.

 

[DisgruntledHawkFan]

Taking need with a top five pick is gross. No team has too many Kane's.

 

[TLEH]

I'm trying to look at what we've taken in the past and what this organization seems to like. Everyone brings up the size thing on the backend but Vlasic wasn't picked by KD and he's a unicorn. Megna is a waiver guy, Tinordi is a waiver guy. Crevier is a nothing.

I don't think KD is a size freak. Obviously he likes guys who can skate. They had shots at Hutson who feels like Kmart Parekh. Good edges and dynamic offense but not high end footspeed and not great size. I just don't see us going there.

I'll guess we end up picking 3rd and 20th. I'll guess Anaheim wins the lottery and the Sharks pick second.

 

[Hattrick Kane]

Taking need with a top five pick is gross. No team has too many Kane's.

Sure, but you’re likely not getting a Kane level talent if you don’t win the draft.

 

[TLEH]

Part of me thinks that the Eiserman hate is overblown and he'll light up the U18s and still go like 5th. The other guys are just as flawed as he is. But man he is a really dumb player and the play evaluation and selection almost seems to have gotten worse as the year went on.

 

[clydesdale line]

Eiserman is going to a fantastic college program to develop his all around game. I'm pretty high on him as I've let it be known but that's if the Hawks drop to 4 (I'd entertain it). Give him 2 years and I won't be surprised if he's one of the best prospects coming.

 

[Kevin Musto]

I think Iginla will end up in Calgary just like his dad.

It's possible he doesn't even make it to Calgary. He just keeps getting better and he's been a boon in the playoffs so far.

If we're going safe take Catton.

I don't see how Catton is safe.

He's far too undersized and lacking off the puck to be considered safe.

I'm trying to look at what we've taken in the past and what this organization seems to like.

The obsession with speed is the only thing we know for sure because KD has stated something along the lines of "If you can't skate, you can't be a Blackhawk".

Among guys in the top 10 conversation, Sam Dickinson is the fastest. He's also 6'3" which I think is preference for Kyle. I don't know that I necessarily want to take him in the top 4, but I could see him being a guy that Kyle gets enamored with.

Eiserman is going to a fantastic college program to develop his all around game. I'm pretty high on him as I've let it be known but that's if the Hawks drop to 4 (I'd entertain it). Give him 2 years and I won't be surprised if he's one of the best prospects coming.

The thing with Eiserman is age. I don't really like the player he is now, but he has that "maybe" factor like you're alluding to.