2024 NHL Draft Thread Part 2 - Picks 2 & 18 in the 1st Round

[ploppsdman]

Demidovs hands are elite. I don’t see a single elite tool with Lev.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Demidovs hands are elite. I don’t see a single elite tool with Lev.

This is true.

But if we're using this argument, there are players with more elite attributes than either of them.

 

[ploppsdman]

This is true.

But if we're using this argument, there are players with more elite attributes than either of them.

Most chatter about #2 revolves around these two. I don’t agree with that, but it’s where we are.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Most chatter about #2 revolves around these two. I don’t agree with that, but it’s where we are.

Chatter ultimately just comes from people in the media parroting one another. And then fans regurgitating that.

If we had access to who NHL teams have ranked 2nd overall, you'd see more names than just Demi and Lev.

We know from Bob that some scouts have Silayev at 2. Though we'll have an update on Monday about that.

 

[dj Mahoney]

Chatter ultimately just comes from people in the media parroting one another. And then fans regurgitating that.

If we had access to who NHL teams have ranked 2nd overall, you'd see more names than just Demi and Lev.

We know from Bob that some scouts have Silayev at 2. Though we'll have an update on Monday about that.

Where's the elite offence with Silayev ? He's Big and Fast , not elite . Demidov is a future star from many sources and video that speaks for itself . Kevin Allen who I consider 100% legit said he was told by 3 different scouts Demidov will be a 50 goal scorer , I'm sold .

 

[Kevin Musto]

Where's the elite offence with Silayev ? He's Big and Fast , not elite . Demidov is a future star from many sources and video that speaks for itself . Kevin Allen who I consider 100% legit said he was told by 3 different scouts Demidov will be a 50 goal scorer , I'm sold .

I'm not saying Silayev is elite offensively (he is defensively) but for all the negativity I see people bring up about that aspect of his game, nobody seems to bring up that he broke the 17 year old KHL scoring record (beating Tarasenko).

Yes, the offense dried up after that, but sometimes you just go through growing pains with prospects. Especially when they're 6'7" and playing against men.

I don't know if he'll ever put up Victor Hedman numbers, but it also took Victor Hedman a while before he started putting up Victor Hedman numbers.

I can't make any definitive statements about Silayev, but for me that's why he's exciting. The sky is the limit.

As for Demidov scoring 50 goals... I don't personally see it. How many consistent 50 goal scorers are in the league? Matthews, Pastrnak, Draisaitl? It's a very small group. Even Demidov considers himself a playmaker.

 

[dj Mahoney]

I'm not saying Silayev is elite offensively (he is defensively) but for all the negativity I see people bring up about that aspect of his game, nobody seems to bring up that he broke the 17 year old KHL scoring record (beating Tarasenko).

Yes, the offense dried up after that, but sometimes you just go through growing pains with prospects. Especially when they're 6'7" and playing against men.

I don't know if he'll ever put up Victor Hedman numbers, but it also took Victor Hedman a while before he started putting up Victor Hedman numbers.

I can't make any definitive statements about Silayev, but for me that's why he's exciting. The sky is the limit.

As for Demidov scoring 50 goals... I don't personally see it. How many consistent 50 goal scorers are in the league? Matthews, Pastrnak, Draisaitl? It's a very small group. Even Demidov considers himself a playmaker.

I'm not negative at all about Silayev . I think he looks great (similar to Vlasic ) you never liked Vlasic though . Not sure why you suddenly love a similar player ,while Vlasic is great just not when compared to Kucherov , Datsyuk or Kane type . With Silayev it may seem like he's closer to the sky (Mostly due to being 6' 7") but with Demidov there is no limit .

 

[TLEH]

I think Demidov plays a more mature game than people give him credit for. Hes not all offense. He might have turned into that in the MHl this year, because he could, but that isn’t what made him make SKA over Michkov early on.

 

[Darkstar]

I think Demidov plays a more mature game than people give him credit for. Hes not all offense. He might have turned into that in the MHl this year, because he could, but that isn’t what made him make SKA over Michkov early on.

He's not the natural sniper that Michkov is but he's much more defensively aware and puts more effort in it than Michkov. He doesn't have a wicked wrister but he does have a quick release and he's pretty accurate with it.

 

[Wally1112pac]

This might be blasphemy but could Demidov be something in the mold of Patrick Kane?

Their games are not a complete match but they are similar in ways. Both lean more to play making but both can score. Their handles are elite. Both are super shifty and can beat players 1 on 1.

Demidov seems to be better defensively and Kane is the better straight ahead skater.

 

[TheDachKnight]

I’m at the point where I’d take Demidov 2nd overall if the draft was today. Having said that, I still really like Levshunov and won’t be the least bit upset if we take him instead.

 

[TheFridge]

This might be blasphemy but could Demidov be something in the mold of Patrick Kane?

Their games are not a complete match but they are similar in ways. Both lean more to play making but both can score. Their handles are elite. Both are super shifty and can beat players 1 on 1.

Demidov seems to be better defensively and Kane is the better straight ahead skater.

Too many players get compared to Kane. I don't think they're similar at all really. Kane is just so much smarter than 99% of the league. People talk about his hands, which obviously were top in the NHL but it was his vision and hockey sense that made him special. The guy just understood manipulation and timing at such a high level and had the skill to execute almost all the time.

From the highlights I've seen of Demidov, he doesn't really remind me directly of anyone. I can see the Kaprizov comparisons a bit, but that's mostly the 10-2, open-hips skating.

 

[Kshahdoo]

This might be blasphemy but could Demidov be something in the mold of Patrick Kane?

Their games are not a complete match but they are similar in ways. Both lean more to play making but both can score. Their handles are elite. Both are super shifty and can beat players 1 on 1.

Demidov seems to be better defensively and Kane is the better straight ahead skater.

He looks more like Kaprizov.

 

[CapitalistInfidel]

Heard Utah is willing to trade the 6th pick. For shi*s and grins I went to puckpedia to see what a fair trade would be. I couldn’t believe what it was. Our 18th and 50th, thats it. I’m assuming everyone would do that. Demidov and either Parekh or Yakemchuk. Levshunov and either Iginla or maybe Lindstrom, or if they’re gone Catton would be a decent consolation prize. And we still have pick 34

 

[HawksDub89]

Heard Utah is willing to trade the 6th pick. For shi*s and grins I went to puckpedia to see what a fair trade would be. I couldn’t believe what it was. Our 18th and 50th, thats it. I’m assuming everyone would do that. Demidov and either Parekh or Yakemchuk. Levshunov and either Iginla or maybe Lindstrom, or if they’re gone Catton would be a decent consolation prize. And we still have pick 34

Zero chance Utah would make that deal.

 

[Drumman44]

Zero chance Utah would make that deal.

Even if the values are “equal” you still have to fill a need for the other team. If you offer me 5 singles for my $5 bill I’m only taking that if I want to use the vending machine.

 

[ClydeLee]

He's not the natural sniper that Michkov is but he's much more defensively aware and puts more effort in it than Michkov. He doesn't have a wicked wrister but he does have a quick release and he's pretty accurate with it.

What I loved about Michkov was he was frequently right around the net, apart from the shot/pass amazing plays. He had great hands in plays right in front or behind the net. That despite his size he wasn't backing away, but attacking those areas. I don't put Demidov that high because I don't see that too much, he has some plays there.

 

[kmwtrucks]

@OviClapBomb stated on twitter. (seems to have some hawks contacts FYI) seems like the hawks will wait to the last possible moment to make pick. have narrowed there choices to AL & ID. worth noting that hawks are one of the few teams with a scout in Russia. multiple scouts and members of the hawks want Levshunov that is no secret. im hearing rumblings from a few different places that amongst the hawks staff who are big advocates to draft demidov, kyle davidson is one of them. he says he has no clue who they will take but he does know no decision has been made yet.

 

[TheFridge]

@OviClapBomb stated on twitter. (seems to have some hawks contacts FYI) seems like the hawks will wait to the last possible moment to make pick. have narrowed there choices to AL & ID. worth noting that hawks are one of the few teams with a scout in Russia. multiple scouts and members of the hawks want Levshunov that is no secret. im hearing rumblings from a few different places that amongst the hawks staff who are big advocates to draft demidov, kyle davidson is one of them. he says he has no clue who they will take but he does know no decision has been made yet.

That dude doesn't have any contacts in the org. He just regurgitates what's publicly available in the media.

Powers has been saying for like 2 weeks that the Hawks are likely down to Demidov vs. Levshunov.

 

[EddieTheEagle]

I think Bedard could push a guy like Demidov to become absolutely elite. If he already has a decent drive, he can get there.

When you're playing with a guy like Bedsy, he has a tendency to demonstrate such a high level of compete and commitment that it becomes infectious to a team.

We have no idea how many chances we will have to add high end forwards, yes we might again next year (due to being terrible) but realistically, even if we did pick top 5 next year, we'd have 3-4 forwards (Bedard, Demidov, Nazar?, and 2025 pick) who project to be top 6 mainstays.

The year after next could be a crapshoot as to where we finish if we start seeing the team come together, make some signings, and Demidov arrives. I don't think we will be good but we might be good enough to keep us away from superstar-level picks.

 

[ello]

I think Bedard could push a guy like Demidov to become absolutely elite. If he already has a decent drive, he can get there.

When you're playing with a guy like Bedsy, he has a tendency to demonstrate such a high level of compete and commitment that it becomes infectious to a team.

We have no idea how many chances we will have to add high end forwards, yes we might again next year (due to being terrible) but realistically, even if we did pick top 5 next year, we'd have 3-4 forwards (Bedard, Demidov, Nazar?, and 2025 pick) who project to be top 6 mainstays.

The year after next could be a crapshoot as to where we finish if we start seeing the team come together, make some signings, and Demidov arrives. I don't think we will be good but we might be good enough to keep us away from superstar-level picks.

Realistically to be a contender on paper you need 6 really good forwards and 4 good dmen. Even from a pure numbers perspective it’s going to be a little more challenging to fill ur your forward core

 

[ndgt10]

Seems like everyone likes Demidov at 2. Wonder why Vegas doesn't have him as the favorite but instead has Levshunov as the overwhelming one.

 

[Kevin Musto]

Seems like everyone likes Demidov at 2. Wonder why Vegas doesn't have him as the favorite but instead has Levshunov as the overwhelming one.

Because Levshunov had a big media blitz from the combine

 

[ello]

Isn’t Demidov’s situation similar to Makar’s? Dynamic player putting up historic numbers in a B league with scouts questioning how well they could judge his talent because of QOC?

 

[TLEH]

Isn’t Demidov’s situation similar to Makar’s? Dynamic player putting up historic numbers in a B league with scouts questioning how well they could judge his talent because of QOC?

With Makar you also had the play style questions. He played like a forward