NHL Entry Draft 2024 NHL Draft Talk

[BondraTime]

Mark Edwards and all the Hockeyprospect scouts have guys some of the big guys from the WHL as falling in their rankings, highlights that Yakemchuk's IQ is extremely lacking and they really don't like his skating, says if anything he thinks he likes him even less than where they have him ranked

Usually my favorite scouting service/guide every year. Black Book is always excellent, lot's of stuff from scouts every year

 

[Loach]

He threw a fit because Peters made a comment about hockey sense and Yak. He pushed back and said players like Dickinson and Lindstrom were way below Yak in this category. Peters did not disagree. Buium was then brought up as a player with better hockey sense than Yak. Once again, Pronman agreed with this take, but with the caveat Buium was much smaller. I actually think it is not only Buium's size that is a concern but his lack of athleticism and explosion.

I think it is HFboards and the Internet scouts who are stuck on narratives. Peters,Wheeler and Pronman have said that some NHL scouts rate Dickinson's IQ as low - not average but low. I agree with this assessment. He is top tier athlete in a top tier program. It hides a lot of his issues. He also has a top tier shot, but doesn't get big PP minutes. It is because he doesn't see the ice well and lacks creativity.

He could never do what Yak did if they switched places. Dickinson would be massively exposed.


I don't quote people like Pronman, because I agree with most of his takes. I don't. I quote him when he is talking about opinions circulating among NHL scouts.





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He didn't push back. He stomped his feet and held his breath. Lol.

 

[PlayOn]

Pronman also never said “way below Yak” for hockey sense. He asked if he would take Dickinson or Lindstrom and whether he thinks they’re smarter players, or if Silayev was that much smarter.

I’m not sure where “way below” comes from.

 

[JackieDaytona]

No consensus on the picks in the 3-10 range. Not sure if that’s cause to be nervous or if it’s comforting because any pick will be relatively good to other options. Just draft someone who doesn’t suck. No Lee-when-there’s-a-Kopitar picks please. This fan base can’t handle any more.

Maybe we don’t end up with the best of the bunch pick, but as long as we get a player who can contribute and ends up a good prospect/player, that’s the bar imo. It’s not a high one. Staios and co don’t f*** it up please.

 

[scallionjj11]

If Ceci was a puck moving left D, he would be Chabot. Chabot is what he is. No coach, defence partner, role, off season training is going to change him now. He turns 28 this year. Him and Chych is 12.6$. Trade them both and build a real second pair.

I don't know about trading both but I see what you're getting at and don't disagree.

Chabot is what he is now.

 

[LeProspector]

Mark Edwards and all the Hockeyprospect scouts have guys some of the big guys from the WHL as falling in their rankings, highlights that Yakemchuk's IQ is extremely lacking and they really don't like his skating, says if anything he thinks he likes him even less than where they have him ranked

Usually my favorite scouting service/guide every year. Black Book is always excellent, lot's of stuff from scouts every year

That’s what I’ve said all year. But I got a lot of push back for that.

 

[scallionjj11]

I think for sure the Sens will draft a Right Shot at #7 - our Right side from Top RW to Bottom pairing RD is is our weakest position and has the least amount of prospects

Beckett Sennecke is a real thing - Staois has to be thinking Tkachuk / Sennecke on the wings is a top line no team could handle. A real playoff line

With the Sens focused on a cycle offense now I could see them taking Sennecke because you could project out your offensive zone and we would be huge along the walls and could cycle and play big with the best of them

Carter Yakumchuk - big, fast, and gets shots through. Travis Green loves Dman who can create shots on net and Yakumchuk does that. He completes a pairing and provides offense from the right point which provided us with barely any offensive creative last season

And it’s OHL or WHL which suits me just fine, and Canadians which I prefer

If we did draft Sennecke, him and Brady may not even play together by the time Sennecke makes it to the show.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

If Ceci was a puck moving left D, he would be Chabot. Chabot is what he is. No coach, defence partner, role, off season training is going to change him now. He turns 28 this year. Him and Chych is 12.6$. Trade them both and build a real second pair.

Noooooo. Chabot is better than Ceci. At everything

 

[HSF]

Call it what you want but SS and TG will draft for culture and compete and hockey sense - of course they will draft a player that fits that mould. is that drafting for need - yes - because you are maybe passing on more talented players for players that help you win

Ie you take Sam Bennett over Zabinejed because you want to win.

The regular season is build for players that are good on a fast highway, the playoffs is for players who can off road and have 4x4 and can handle being dirty. Sens will draft an off road player and not a speedy highway guy

Drafting a RD cause we don't have many is drafting for need

What you listed here is not need but more a drafting philosophy...no matter the position they will look for players with those attributes

 

[Loach]

Noooooo. Chabot is better than Ceci. At everything

Yeah....included his level of suck. At 8m Chabot is worse to have on a team than Ceci at 3.25.

 

[Butchy Dakkar]

Imagine, if you will friends

Catton-Stutzle-Norris
Tkachuk-Pinto-Batherson

This can be a reality if our scouts so choose.

I thought one of our big underlying problems was too many of the same types of players though - that our main need is not more skilled small forwards, but mean gritty high IQ types to fill out the skill

 

[Sens in Process]

Pronman also never said “way below Yak” for hockey sense. He asked if he would take Dickinson or Lindstrom and whether he thinks they’re smarter players, or if Silayev was that much smarter.

I’m not sure where “way below” comes from.

He said this repeatedly. It is in all his writings recently and this what he is referring to here- there is greater context. He rates Dickinson and Lindstrom as having below average hockey sense in his final draft ranking. He rates Yak with higher hockey sense - average. Rating someone with below average hockey sense is real red flag on a player; this is coming from someone who actually talks with NHL scouts on the regular. Several people in know have made similar claims. I would at least take it kind of seriously, whether or not you agree.

I disagree with Pronman on a lot of stuff. But besides Mckenzie, he has some of the best insights on what teams are actually thinking and the debates they are having.

Yak does make poor decisions, but he has very good offensive instinct too. Hockey sense covers a lot of different things. Stutzle makes a lot of poor decisions, so did Spezza, but I wouldn't classify either as having poor hockey sense. They both turn(ed) over pucks all the time trying being too aggressive.

 

[Loach]

He said this repeatedly. It is in all his writings recently and this what he is referring to here- there is greater context. He rates Dickinson and Lindstrom as having below average hockey sense in his final draft ranking. He rates Yak with higher hockey sense - average. Rating someone with below average hockey sense is real red flag on a player; this is coming from someone who actually talks with NHL scouts on the regular. Several people in know have made similar claims. I would at least take it kind of seriously, whether or not you agree.

I disagree with Pronman on a lot of stuff. But besides Mckenzie, he has some of the best insights on what teams are actually thinking and the debates they are having.

Yak does make poor decisions, but he has very good offensive instinct too. Hockey sense covers a lot of different things. Stutzle makes a lot of poor decisions, so did Spezza, but I wouldn't classify either as having poor hockey sense. They both turn(ed) over pucks all the time trying being too aggressive.

You really like Pronman.....like alot.

 

[senswon]

Warming up to coming in the backdoor with our 2 firsts

7. B Catton//Iginla//Helenius
26. Badinka

Get the big Rd, and an important forward to potentially take Girouxs spot in 3ish years

 

[StoicSensFan]

Yeah....included his level of suck. At 8m Chabot is worse to have on a team than Ceci at 3.25.

I'd still rather have one Chabot than two Cecis if I had to choose.

Would like Ceci back in Ottawa though.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Yeah....included his level of suck. At 8m Chabot is worse to have on a team than Ceci at 3.25.

I have to disagree. They’re on totally different levels.

 

[Loach]

I'd still rather have one Chabot than two Cecis if I had to choose.

Would like Ceci back in Ottawa though.

Why 2 Cecis's's? That's not a option that was given to you. How did you end up there? Is it dark and scary? Are you alone?

I have to disagree. They’re on totally different levels.

Chabot's level of suck is just as bad because play + salary. If he made 5 or 6m that would change the level of suck in regard to Ceci's.

 

[StoicSensFan]

Why 2 Cecis's's? That's not a option that was given to you. How did you end up there? Is it dark and scary? Are you alone?


Chabot's level of suck is just as bad because play + salary. If he made 5 or 6m that would change the level of suck in regard to Ceci's.

It's a joke to compare how much more I prefer Chabot.

 

[Loach]

It's a joke to compare how much more I prefer Chabot.

Ahhhh. Zoooom! Right over my head! It's outta here folks!

It's a joke to compare how much more I prefer Chabot.

Ahhhh. Zoooom! Right over my head! It's outta here folks!

 

[Tuna99]

Drafting a RD cause we don't have many is drafting for need

What you listed here is not need but more a drafting philosophy...no matter the position they will look for players with those attributes

I think the philosophy is to win, not go out and acquire talent. and winning is having an identity so with this draft pick I think we’ll see their philosophy which is to win, and to win you need certain pieces, you need balance in your lineup - and so they draft for need because you need certain types of players to win

Zibenejed is a regular season guy, Sam Bennett is a playoff guy. One is more talented, the other is more effective. They’ll go for effective over talent is what I’m saying and you have to hand pick players to do that not just toe the most talented guy

 

[BondraTime]

I think the philosophy is to win, not go out and acquire talent. and winning is having an identity so with this draft pick I think we’ll see their philosophy which is to win, and to win you need certain pieces, you need balance in your lineup - and so they draft for need because you need certain types of players to win

Zibenejed is a regular season guy, Sam Bennett is a playoff guy. One is more talented, the other is more effective. They’ll go for effective over talent is what I’m saying and you have to hand pick players to do that not just toe the most talented guy

The philosophy that brought us Tyler Boucher, let’s run it back

 

[Alf Silfversson]

I think the philosophy is to win, not go out and acquire talent. and winning is having an identity so with this draft pick I think we’ll see their philosophy which is to win, and to win you need certain pieces, you need balance in your lineup - and so they draft for need because you need certain types of players to win

Zibenejed is a regular season guy, Sam Bennett is a playoff guy. One is more talented, the other is more effective. They’ll go for effective over talent is what I’m saying and you have to hand pick players to do that not just toe the most talented guy

And with the 7th overall pick the Ottawa Senators are proud to select (again) Tyler Boucher!!!!!

LOL... Beaten to the punch. ^^^

 

[Golden_Jet]

The philosophy that brought us Tyler Boucher, let’s run it back

And Brady Tkachuk

 

[BondraTime]

And Brady Tkachuk

Tkachuk was ranked 3rd and went 4th, that wasn’t a pick for philosophy or need, as we were told Boucher was

 

[Alf Silfversson]

And Brady Tkachuk

Picking people who are really good at hockey and play physical is not picking based on philosophy. Brady uses, and has always used, his physical play to accomplish something in the offensive end. He's not physical for the sake of it. At least 95% of the time he's trying to accomplish something. He was a good scorer in NCAA in his draft year and was ranked in the top 5 almost across the board.

I also find it funny that the person making these Zib-Bennett comparisons is ignoring the fact that Bennett was picked higher, scored more in lower levels and was viewed as the more polished offensive prospect as compared to Zibanejad.