NHL Entry Draft 2024 NHL Draft Talk

[jhutter]

We also need another puck carrying forward that can back off the D, right now it's only Stutzle who can do that on our roster.

It's not enough.

We need just about everything, Agent Zub.

 

[Sens in Process]

Chris peters jus released his draft rankings: Peters

Once again - he says there are concerns about Dickinson's hockey sense:

While he was especially productive, Dickinson still needs to round out his game and while he’s certainly skilled, he may not be a dynamic play-driver at the next level. I’ve heard throughout the year that the only thing that keeps Dickinson from more firmly being in the top-five conversation is that his hockey sense isn’t quite at the same level as some of the other top D in this class. There’s also some belief his stats were inflated by the quality of team he was on.

He is the guy that gets tagged with the low hockey IQ time and again by people like Pronman, Wheler and Peters, who actually talk to scouts.

There are concerns about Yakemchuk, and they are valid, but they tend to focus on his decision making and defensive details. He has high-end offensive instincts.

There are some legitimate hockey sense concerns, particularly on the defensive side of the game. You can live with the miscues when he produces like he does, but some of the decisions are where I see the risk in his overall projection. Yakemchuk he certainly would not be the first offensive-minded defenseman to overcome those kinds of concerns.

He does make weird decisions, but he shows flashes where he controls and dominates games. If he wasn't on the number one PP and PK units and counted on to be the 5 on 5 offensive driver, and a physical menace, I suspect he would look more refined in hockey sense.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Chris peters jus released his draft rankings: Peters

Once again - he says there are concerns about Dickinson's hockey sense:



He is the guy that gets tagged with the low hockey IQ time and again by people like Pronman, Wheler and Peters, who actually talk to scouts.

There are concerns about Yakemchuk, and they are valid, but they tend to focus on his decision making and defensive details. He has high-end offensive instincts.



He does make weird decisions, but he shows flashes where he controls and dominates games. If he wasn't on the number one PP and PK units and counted on to be the 5 on 5 offensive driver, and a physical menace, I suspect he would look more refined in hockey sense.

How much do pro man and wheeler talk to scouts? Seems like they’re always waaaaaay off

 

[Masked]

Chris peters jus released his draft rankings: Peters

Who is Chris Peters?

How much do pro man and wheeler talk to scouts? Seems like they’re always waaaaaay off

I imagine it's a one sided conversation with those two badgering real scouts for info

 

[Joeyjoejoe]

Are you referring to the same Pronman and Wheeler who doubted Sanderson's offensive capabilities and didn't believe he could be a top-pair defenseman, even ranking him at #17 in their final rankings? That guy?

Bobby Mac bases his entire draft list on scouts' opinions, and his latest rankings had him at #7. It's been the most accurate draft list in the past 10 years.

His supposed low IQ is so apparent that his coach consistently puts him up against top lines and during the most critical moments of playoff games. Someone should inform that clueless coach—checks notes—Mark Hunter, that Dickinson's apparently low IQ is to be trusted.

Lol, nice cherry-picking from the scouting report. It actually says his IQ is questionable for a top 5 draft pick, not that he has low IQ or that he's some third-pairing scrub.

My god dude, did someone from the Dickinson family run over your dog or something. This seems personal. You got me defending this dude like he's a future Norris trophy which I don't actually believe, I just don't think he's the low IQ no offence scrub your making him out to be.

 

[ijif]

I like Dickinson, but I would agree, at the very least, his IQ does pose/warrant some concern; however, I don't believe that Levshunov, Silayev, nor Yakemchuk have high-end hockey IQ. In fact, I might go as far as to say they all have IQ concerns, so I am not sure how much Dickinson's IQ concerns should impact his relative positional ranking.

 

[Senscore]

Pick your poison.

Each top prospect in our range has a notable flaw. Otherwise they wouldn't be in our range at 7. Just a question of who's best going to get over it.

 

[DJB]

Are you referring to the same Pronman and Wheeler who doubted Sanderson's offensive capabilities and didn't believe he could be a top-pair defenseman, even ranking him at #17 in their final rankings? That guy?

Bobby Mac bases his entire draft list on scouts' opinions, and his latest rankings had him at #7. It's been the most accurate draft list in the past 10 years.

His supposed low IQ is so apparent that his coach consistently puts him up against top lines and during the most critical moments of playoff games. Someone should inform that clueless coach—checks notes—Mark Hunter, that Dickinson's apparently low IQ is to be trusted.

Lol, nice cherry-picking from the scouting report. It actually says his IQ is questionable for a top 5 draft pick, not that he has low IQ or that he's some third-pairing scrub.

My god dude, did someone from the Dickinson family run over your dog or something. This seems personal. You got me defending this dude like he's a future Norris trophy which I don't actually believe, I just don't think he's the low IQ no offence scrub your making him out to be.

Pronman and Wheeler are total hacks. Awful at what they do and incapable of taking any criticism either if you point it out to them fyi.

Dickenson’s IQ is fine. It’s not elite. He’s a very safe bet to be a top 4 minute munching dman.

That being said I’ll continue to say that it’s not a great draft class and it’s concerning to me when many of the top guys all have similar questions about IQ.

 

[Wallet Inspector]

Imagine, if you will friends

Catton-Stutzle-Norris
Tkachuk-Pinto-Batherson

This can be a reality if our scouts so choose.

 

[Ice-Tray]

BPA please, and if that’s a forward please draft the forward.

 

[Senovision]

Dickinson was a beast. Beck was a beast!

 

[Senovision]

Owen Beck scoring the first goal of the game. Lucky snap by me. Lol

 

[Loach]

Chris peters jus released his draft rankings: Peters

Once again - he says there are concerns about Dickinson's hockey sense:



He is the guy that gets tagged with the low hockey IQ time and again by people like Pronman, Wheler and Peters, who actually talk to scouts.

There are concerns about Yakemchuk, and they are valid, but they tend to focus on his decision making and defensive details. He has high-end offensive instincts.



He does make weird decisions, but he shows flashes where he controls and dominates games. If he wasn't on the number one PP and PK units and counted on to be the 5 on 5 offensive driver, and a physical menace, I suspect he would look more refined in hockey sense.

Pronman really likes Yakemchuk. On the Athletics hockey cast he threw a fit when concerns about Yakemchuk where brought up and his high ranking questioned. "There are concerns about every player. Well who would you draft." stuff. I think his stuff should be taken with a pinch of salt because he seems like he disregards things that don't fit his narrative. And he pronouces words wrong. Like Winger is wing-ger. Made me want to swerve into oncoming traffic.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Pronman really likes Yakemchuk. On the Athletics hockey cast he threw a fit when concerns about Yakemchuk where brought up and his high ranking questioned. "There are concerns about every player. Well who would you draft." stuff. I think his stuff should be taken with a pinch of salt because he seems like he disregards things that don't fit his narrative. And he pronouces words wrong. Like Winger is wing-ger. Made me want to swerve into oncoming traffic.

Wait winger as what??

Pronman is wierd. I’m actually surprised he likes yakemchuk. Thought he would be too big for him. But then I remember he dangles.

Knowing pronman he may have yakemchuk lower if he played the exact same way but also was good defensively.

 

[Loach]

Wait winger as what??

Pronman is wierd. I’m actually surprised he likes yakemchuk. Thought he would be too big for him. But then I remember he dangles.

Knowing pronman he may have yakemchuk lower if he played the exact same way but also was good defensively.

Lmao! Do this out loud. Say Wing...then pause for a mili second...then say grr. He says Winggrr, not winger.

 

[scallionjj11]

Chabot's draft year:
45 points in 47 games +27.

Dickinson draft year:
70 points in 68 games +56.


You're right, they're not even close. Dickinson was a much better and more well-rounded prospect than Chabot was in his draft year.

I agree that Chabot is more dynamic offensively, but I mentioned it because he's a much closer player comparison to Dickinson than Tyler Kleven, who is completely different in his style of play.

Him not getting power play time at 17 years old, since the 19-year-old Bonk got most of it, and still managing to score 11 power play goals, while Chabot got most of his points on the power play, isn't really the flex you think it is. I'd rather have the 17-year-old who was trusted in the final minutes of big playoff games and still managed to put up power play points as the second option, while producing majority of his points at even strength.

I do think there are some flaws in Dickinson's game, as is the case with most prospects, but completely dismissing his offensive potential by comparing him to Tyler Kleven is really underselling him. I actually love the way Tyler Klevin has progressed since being drafted but that dude put up 2 points in his draft year. Come on.

In my opinion, Kleven will be a 20-30 point defenseman, similar to Zub.
Dickinson, on the other hand, I see as more of a Shea Theodore type, who is relied upon at both ends of the ice and could potentially be a 40-50 point player.

As for Chabot, with the right partner, the right team, and no injuries, he should be a 60-70 point defenseman by now, but his career high is only 55 points due to various circumstances. I blame Dorion and DJ Smith for his stagnated development, and never reaching his full potential.

and wasn't that 55 point season the season right before he signed this current contract?

It's been a while now.

 

[Loach]

and wasn't that 55 point season the season right before he signed this current contract?

It's been a while now.

If Ceci was a puck moving left D, he would be Chabot. Chabot is what he is. No coach, defence partner, role, off season training is going to change him now. He turns 28 this year. Him and Chych is 12.6$. Trade them both and build a real second pair.

 

[dumbdick]

Going on the record. This will be my draft day result.

Very happy:
Parekh: Elite potential with risk.
Catton: Likely to be a star player, but maybe a really soft one. Good player guaranteed.
Silayev: Wheels, range and IQ. Elite potential. Good player guaranteed.

Really Happy:
Buium: Love the IQ. Star potential. Good player guaranteed.
Eiserman: Elite shot with room to fill out his game. Star potential.
Lindstrom: Good player guaranteed.

Happy:
Dickinson: Love the skillset but not sure he'll translate at the higher levels. I go back and forth on him but I think he's a bit overrated and will be a faller on draft day.

A little nervous:
Iginla: Great puck control, motor and shot. He'll be an NHL player.
Yakemchuk: Fast shifty hands but the kind of offense that works better in junior. If I have to predict a bust on this list, he's my choice.
Helenius: Not enough top level talent here but I suspect he'll be a player. I could see an outside chance of a Mikko Koivu kinda player.

I assumed Levshunov and Demidov are gone by our pick. Everybody else and I'll be disappointed on draft day.

 

[Tuna99]

I think for sure the Sens will draft a Right Shot at #7 - our Right side from Top RW to Bottom pairing RD is is our weakest position and has the least amount of prospects

Beckett Sennecke is a real thing - Staois has to be thinking Tkachuk / Sennecke on the wings is a top line no team could handle. A real playoff line

With the Sens focused on a cycle offense now I could see them taking Sennecke because you could project out your offensive zone and we would be huge along the walls and could cycle and play big with the best of them

Carter Yakumchuk - big, fast, and gets shots through. Travis Green loves Dman who can create shots on net and Yakumchuk does that. He completes a pairing and provides offense from the right point which provided us with barely any offensive creative last season

And it’s OHL or WHL which suits me just fine, and Canadians which I prefer

 

[R2010]

Wait winger as what??

Pronman is wierd. I’m actually surprised he likes yakemchuk. Thought he would be too big for him. But then I remember he dangles.

Knowing pronman he may have yakemchuk lower if he played the exact same way but also was good defensively.

Over time Pronman's gotten better for some of his biases compared to Wheeler. I've become a fan. Every year he has misses and hits just like every other prognosticator.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Over time Pronman's gotten better for some of his biases compared to Wheeler. I've become a fan. Every year he has misses and hits just like every other prognosticator.

Either way. I’ll read whatever is available. I don’t watch these prospects so even if I disagree I’m reading opinions of people that have watched more than me. Roman makes me laugh sometimes though. Same with scouching.

Thought for sure Noel Gunler and Alexander Pashin would be the stars of the 2020 draft by now

And I do get it. They need people to read their stuff and the strong opinions help.

 

[HSF]

I think for sure the Sens will draft a Right Shot at #7 - our Right side from Top RW to Bottom pairing RD is is our weakest position and has the least amount of prospects

Beckett Sennecke is a real thing - Staois has to be thinking Tkachuk / Sennecke on the wings is a top line no team could handle. A real playoff line

With the Sens focused on a cycle offense now I could see them taking Sennecke because you could project out your offensive zone and we would be huge along the walls and could cycle and play big with the best of them

Carter Yakumchuk - big, fast, and gets shots through. Travis Green loves Dman who can create shots on net and Yakumchuk does that. He completes a pairing and provides offense from the right point which provided us with barely any offensive creative last season

And it’s OHL or WHL which suits me just fine, and Canadians which I prefer

dont think the sens will draft based on need

the RD solution will be done this summer

 

[Sens in Process]

Pronman really likes Yakemchuk. On the Athletics hockey cast he threw a fit when concerns about Yakemchuk where brought up and his high ranking questioned. "There are concerns about every player. Well who would you draft." stuff. I think his stuff should be taken with a pinch of salt because he seems like he disregards things that don't fit his narrative. And he pronouces words wrong. Like Winger is wing-ger. Made me want to swerve into oncoming traffic.

He threw a fit because Peters made a comment about hockey sense and Yak. He pushed back and said players like Dickinson and Lindstrom were way below Yak in this category. Peters did not disagree. Buium was then brought up as a player with better hockey sense than Yak. Once again, Pronman agreed with this take, but with the caveat Buium was much smaller. I actually think it is not only Buium's size that is a concern but his lack of athleticism and explosion.

I think it is HFboards and the Internet scouts who are stuck on narratives. Peters,Wheeler and Pronman have said that some NHL scouts rate Dickinson's IQ as low - not average but low. I agree with this assessment. He is top tier athlete in a top tier program. It hides a lot of his issues. He also has a top tier shot, but doesn't get big PP minutes. It is because he doesn't see the ice well and lacks creativity.

He could never do what Yak did if they switched places. Dickinson would be massively exposed.


I don't quote people like Pronman, because I agree with most of his takes. I don't. I quote him when he is talking about opinions circulating among NHL scouts.





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[BondraTime]

Pronman has never been good with his rankings or evaluations.

He's gotten much better with his presentation and writing though

 

[Tuna99]

dont think the sens will draft based on need

the RD solution will be done this summer

Call it what you want but SS and TG will draft for culture and compete and hockey sense - of course they will draft a player that fits that mould. is that drafting for need - yes - because you are maybe passing on more talented players for players that help you win

Ie you take Sam Bennett over Zabinejed because you want to win.

The regular season is build for players that are good on a fast highway, the playoffs is for players who can off road and have 4x4 and can handle being dirty. Sens will draft an off road player and not a speedy highway guy