CapitalsCupReality
It’s Go Time!!
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Trying to be positive man! I bet this kid has a better NHL career than Djoos….
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Serial_Derecho
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There goes the goalie. I wasn't impressed much watching him. I thought if he wasn't playing for the USNTDP he wouldn't even be on a draft board. Hope I'm wrong.
notDkristich
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rolled my eyes at the draft feed..."decent size...if he gets scored on he doesn't worry about the goal but about the next shot".
I'd rather hear about his rebound control, etc. Come on boys.
I'd spin it by saying that I looked up 3 different sources and all 3 disagreed wildly on where he's ranked. It appears nobody agrees at all on the guy. I have no opinion other than that I'm quite a bit bothered by our seeming perpetual, regardless of administration, obsession w/all things WHL.
RandyHolt
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LOL.... Hey he's got a ring, and was an integral
CapitalsCupReality
It’s Go Time!!
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I’m in no way besmirching Djoos, just saying I believe/hope CH will be a better NHLer….
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Pittsburgh taking Hayes to acquire draft capital, giving up all these pics over the last few years to suck worse than us. We’re in such a better spot than them
Brian23
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But you don't understand, GMBM is the worse GM in the world for not trying to make that EK trade!
twabby
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Great day 2 for WSH so far. Pretty much ideal!
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From the main prospect board draft thread, apologies for pulling uncleben over here:
Who are you and what have done with twabby?
twabby
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(Ilya Protas doesn't have a card)
This is a really solid second round. And getting Logan Thompson for that price is also great value. He's been a solid goaltender. Less than $2 million total for two good experienced goaltenders is great work.
Jags
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Definitely similar in their shiftiness. Not just knowing where to be, but showing up there with real timing -- getting to the right spot at the right moment. I feel like "strong positional game" is a bit of a groaner for most fans, but when you have elite positional skills, you're determining the way people are situated on the ice, either affecting where people are moving or a step ahead of the play.
Parascak is that guy. The downside of that guy is that you need similarly talented/smart guys to leverage that ability. He'll need to play with talent to get the most from him. His skillset won't be nearly as valuable deeper in the lineup. So he either develops into a top-6 guy (maybe good as a 3rd liner on a deep team) or he might fizzle. It's a risk, but it's the same type of risk you typically get picking outside the top 12 or so spots.
Yes, and what you saw this year was him playing alongside guys that got that about him. They were always looking for him, or moving pucks to space knowing he'd be there. A Miro/Leo/Parascak line could be lots of fun -- lots of skill and big motors across the board, with brains to boot.
Strong legs and body control. This is why the knocks on his skating don't bother me. His stride is unconventional, but a lot of times that just speaks to how someone's body is put together. It can mean less than nothing as long as the speed and mechanics are sound, and they are. It also speaks to his work ethic, which suggests good things about his character.
Oshie is one of the uglier skates you'll ever see. Hell, Gretzky's skating was for shit. Oshie got by on motor and hand-eye, and Gretzky by being super cerebral. Parascak's got those traits. His stride won't hamper him.
What board? I mean seriously, whose board do you trust that much? There isn't a web draft board backed by a fraction of the insight that any NHL club has. If you're trusting ANY web source more than your team's scouting, something is seriously wrong.
After the first half of the first round, look at how drastically the "expert draft boards" differ from one another. That alone should tell you how subjective NHL draft rankings are. This isn't the NFL or NBA where most players are coming from the same places. NHL feeder leagues are in wildly different countries where the game is just plain different -- sometimes the rules, sometimes the ice surface, sometimes just the regional flavors (more physical here, faster there, etc.).
So you can generally trust corroborated rankings from each league, but then how do you combine them? And that gets increasingly difficult the further you go down the list. Who's better -- the 22nd best guy from this Canadian league or the 22nd best guy from this Euro league? That Russian goalie or that Swiss defenseman?
It's mind-boggling, and that's why it takes a pretty big staff of scouts and FO guys to sort it all out. So when your team goes "off the board" from the second round on, it's REALLY not a big deal most of the time.
It's rebuild time. Their last 3 drafts have been very strong, this one included. Prior to our window closing, you saw us leaning toward need, hoping we'd land early breakouts. With no cap space for a decade, that's the best we could hope for as perpetual contenders. So we had lots of gambles or were just drafting for depth.
Now we're drafting like a team that's rebuilding -- first by actually keeping our picks and using them, and second by trusting our scouting and drafting for upside; for the future.
I'll take Leonard and Parascak over Benson and Eiserman *as prospects* every day of the week. Hard to quantify and compare what they are right now, but the potential ceilings definitely work in our favor, in my opinion.
So you don't want Tiny F'in Defensemen but you'll take a center the exact same size? Why do you need big D if they're defending tiny forwards?
Hutson and Muggli are admissions that the game is changing, and Muggli has a frame you can build on. Both good picks. I like Stiga too, but there was a lot of D at those draft positions that project as well as any of the forwards left. Drafting for need is a taboo phrase here, but it makes sense when the the talent levels are a tossup. If BPA is a question at your current spot and you're on the clock, take the guy that fits best.
Nick Offerman. Not only is he good casting for BMac, but if an NHL team was built by Ron Swanson, they would never lose.
Smart kid for sure. Not sure he'd have stood out all that much to me without the family connection raising my interest, but I'd say he's a comparable prospect overall. He could make it.
There must always be a handful of sykoras at any given time in hockey
Fudge.. Edmonton with my sleeper pick.. Albin Sundin, so poised with the puck.. trusted to play in game 7 OT in the SHL playoffs flawlessly.
HTFN
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Definitely similar in their shiftiness. Not just knowing where to be, but showing up there with real timing -- getting to the right spot at the right moment. I feel like "strong positional game" is a bit of a groaner for most fans, but when you have elite positional skills, you're determining the way people are situated on the ice, either affecting where people are moving or a step ahead of the play.
Parascak is that guy. The downside of that guy is that you need similarly talented/smart guys to leverage that ability. He'll need to play with talent to get the most from him. His skillset won't be nearly as valuable deeper in the lineup. So he either develops into a top-6 guy (maybe good as a 3rd liner on a deep team) or he might fizzle. It's a risk, but it's the same type of risk you typically get picking outside the top 12 or so spots.
Yes, and what you saw this year was him playing alongside guys that got that about him. They were always looking for him, or moving pucks to space knowing he'd be there. A Miro/Leo/Parascak line could be lots of fun -- lots of skill and big motors across the board, with brains to boot.
Strong legs and body control. This is why the knocks on his skating don't bother me. His stride is unconventional, but a lot of times that just speaks to how someone's body is put together. It can mean less than nothing as long as the speed and mechanics are sound, and they are. It also speaks to his work ethic, which suggests good things about his character.
Oshie is one of the uglier skates you'll ever see. Hell, Gretzky's skating was for shit. Oshie got by on motor and hand-eye, and Gretzky by being super cerebral. Parascak's got those traits. His stride won't hamper him.
What board? I mean seriously, whose board do you trust that much? There isn't a web draft board backed by a fraction of the insight that any NHL club has. If you're trusting ANY web source more than your team's scouting, something is seriously wrong.
After the first half of the first round, look at how drastically the "expert draft boards" differ from one another. That alone should tell you how subjective NHL draft rankings are. This isn't the NFL or NBA where most players are coming from the same places. NHL feeder leagues are in wildly different countries where the game is just plain different -- sometimes the rules, sometimes the ice surface, sometimes just the regional flavors (more physical here, faster there, etc.).
So you can generally trust corroborated rankings from each league, but then how do you combine them? And that gets increasingly difficult the further you go down the list. Who's better -- the 22nd best guy from this Canadian league or the 22nd best guy from this Euro league? That Russian goalie or that Swiss defenseman?
It's mind-boggling, and that's why it takes a pretty big staff of scouts and FO guys to sort it all out. So when your team goes "off the board" from the second round on, it's REALLY not a big deal most of the time.
It's rebuild time. Their last 3 drafts have been very strong, this one included. Prior to our window closing, you saw us leaning toward need, hoping we'd land early breakouts. With no cap space for a decade, that's the best we could hope for as perpetual contenders. So we had lots of gambles or were just drafting for depth.
Now we're drafting like a team that's rebuilding -- first by actually keeping our picks and using them, and second by trusting our scouting and drafting for upside; for the future.
I'll take Leonard and Parascak over Benson and Eiserman *as prospects* every day of the week. Hard to quantify and compare what they are right now, but the potential ceilings definitely work in our favor, in my opinion.
So you don't want Tiny F'in Defensemen but you'll take a center the exact same size? Why do you need big D if they're defending tiny forwards?
Hutson and Muggli are admissions that the game is changing, and Muggli has a frame you can build on. Both good picks. I like Stiga too, but there was a lot of D at those draft positions that project as well as any of the forwards left. Drafting for need is a taboo phrase here, but it makes sense when the the talent levels are a tossup. If BPA is a question at your current spot and you're on the clock, take the guy that fits best.
Nick Offerman. Not only is he good casting for BMac, but if an NHL team was built by Ron Swanson, they would never lose.
Smart kid for sure. Not sure he'd have stood out all that much to me without the family connection raising my interest, but I'd say he's a comparable prospect overall. He could make it.
You make him sound like Daniel Briere, and not necessarily in a bad way so much as a "how is that guy keep doing that?"
Very smart, skilled 1 on 1 and in traffic, not a burner or a crazy transition guy but opens ice up everywhere and knows how to be in the right space at the right time.
The only pick I think I actually hate is the Muggli pick. Couple reaches this year but he's a wasted pick for me. Our dumb preference to Swiss leagues rears its ugly head again. It's almost as lame as the WHL love. Muggli has absolutely 0 offense in his game. He tries to play a shutdown style but at his size that style probably doesn't translate well at the NHL level. He's absolutely average at just about everything. Hard pill to swallow with guys like Mews, Stiga several really talented goaltender and even overager Pulkkinen as a much better option still on the board. This will go down as a shoulda/woulda/coulda pick in a few years.
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