NFL: 2024 NFL draft discussion thread, Draft begins 4/25 8pm, 4/26 6pm, 4/27 12pm
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GKJ
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Daniels is a 5 year college starter. Caleb is a 2.5 year starter while Maye is a 2 year starter. Going to have to project a bit with them. Be like only looking at Daniels ASU film and not his LSU film as that was when he was the same age as the other 2.
Outside of scrambling (which Daniels defaults to too often) I don’t see what Daniels does better than either Williams or Maye. I watched the Orlovsky clip above where he talks about peace in the pocket and I just haven’t really seen that. Seems like he bails on pockets quickly. Add to that his struggles throwing over the middle - as a 5 year college starter - and I just wouldn’t bet on him hitting over Williams or Maye.
All of it is a projection. The counter point is that it took Daniels five years to look like a first rounder. He’s also very slight and didn’t show a knack for protecting himself in college as a runner. He’s not as short as Young obviously but the list of successful QBs at his *listed* weight is pretty short. I get why a team might want to bet on Daniels in the first round but I’d be wary about drafting him 3rd overall and think it’d be wild to draft him over Williams or Maye.
Never going to be an apples to apples comparison with players. Different programs and especially for QBs different amount of time in school. Of the top 6 QBS, Williams, Maye, McCarthy are 3rd year guys with 2 years or so of exp. The other 3, Daniels, Nix, Penix, at least 4 year starters with 20 - 30 more starts than the prior group.
Genuine question - why? What's he doing that's putting him in the argument with these guys?
The Orlovsky video and this post is pretty much the only time I've seen someone argue this. I find it hard to square his argument for Daniels being the guy who's coolest in the pocket with his monster pressure-to-sacks ratio and the frequency with which he scrambles when there's pressure.
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Just don’t think Caleb is as good as people think based on what was seen last season. When the going gets tough he seems to want to check out. A top QB prospect wouldn’t have had the team come off the rails. Notre Dame exposed it and he didn’t beat the best teams he played, or really any good ones besides Arizona. LSU didn’t really either, but Daniels battled a lot harder and there’s not as wide a gap in skills as people seem to think. I think there’s a lot more risk to Caleb folding when the NFL doesn’t come that easy to him. So, I’ve got no problem with people having Daniels ahead of Caleb, and especially Maye who may be a bigger risk.
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I don't follow Benkert so I don't know if he is a total goof with his thoughts on guys, but this is not the most promising look at Maye
You don't make a name for yourself if you are not bold enough to go outside the majority.
Even for Merrill Hoge, I think he's been quoted as giving out like 2 first round grades on QBs the past several years since being an analyst. Burrow and Stroud for him. He errs on being conservative with QBs which is fine, since he doesn't have skin in the game, in that he's not part of a franchise in need of a QB. Easy for him to say don't draft X QB til round 2 or 3, but that guy is likely gone by then. I don't recall his grades for Mahomes, Allen, Jackson, Watson. He didn't have Herbert as a first round grade.
Hoge is basically saying only the Tier 1 QBs would get a first round grade. Again, nothing wrong with that but teams need to upgrade the QB position to not just sell it to fans, but to the team.
Fair.
I haven't paid a huge amount of attention to the QBs, as the Steelers aren't getting them. And I like to take things with a pinch of salt at this point of the process as people throw around all sorts of wild overcorrections about guys.
But I have to say, if I was a fan of a QB hungry team at the top of the draft, I'd be a little worried. I feel like Williams/Maye/Daniels come with big talent in terms of skill/athleticism, but if you're looking for ability under pressure all three are kinda worrying. So I can't argue with that bit.
I think for me I'd want Daniels to be a step ahead of the other guys considering he has less developmental runway and he's not, but I see where you're coming from.
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ultimately the guys at the top will be a product of their environment when it comes to applying their abilities to each system, but I have the top 5 guys closer together than others do.
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In no order I have it Daniels, Caleb, Maye, Nix, and Penix, but I have Maye as the 5th guy, not 2nd or 3rd.
Unholy Diver
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I think Ryan Leaf, Jamarcus Russell, and Johnny Football have proven that already, and those guys even got into games
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I noticed that PFF actually dropped Daniels down a bit in their rankings for the mock draft simulator this week. From what I saw in college, I do think Williams and Maye are a bit overrated and thought Williams regressed this year. Based on how things have went for Lawrence so far as a pro I'm not confident that any of these QB's will be stars in the NFL.
Daniels can read the field better then both I think. He has it upstairs which is why his stock is rising.
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I don't see Williams as the can't miss others do or as I did after 2022. The talent is still there but he did decline on the field last season and seems like a bit of a mental midget.
I still take him #1 and trade Fields though if I'm the Bears.
I think Maye is still my #2. Daniels #3 and I still don't know what to think of McCarthy.
I would not touch Bo Nix before Round 3.
I still take him #1 and trade Fields though if I'm the Bears.
I think Maye is still my #2. Daniels #3 and I still don't know what to think of McCarthy.
I would not touch Bo Nix before Round 3.
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I do think all 3 guys have potential to be a star so I don't think picking one in the first round is a bad idea. I just don't think they're sure things like Burrow was and the Raiders would have to give up a lot to move up to pick one.
EpochLink
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This what happens when we ride Derek Carr for 9 years, miss the boat on a future changing QB.
