Prospect Info: 2024 Entry Draft Thread - Let's Talk About Picks, Bay-bee

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Please no more 5'10 guys...especially with early draft picks. Size, size and toughness. Give me someone at least 6'0 that's not a weak twig who will become a MAN & has major f-ing balls. That's my starting point for scouting and my board for our top pick -- before i even get to staking, skills, etc.
 


Yannetti interview during the "second period" (24 minute mark). Some key discussion points (I'm updating along the way):
- happy this is the supposed last in-person draft. He hates the in person, as they have to be more careful not to be overheard

SIZE
- Size matters when everything else is equal. But there's heavy size and "soft size"
- Kings could use a Derian Hatcher type (in response to Hoven discussing toughness)
- "I don't think anyone would consider this year a success". BLuc probably won't like that. Though he still feels they did some things that were really good or special, but hope they learned lessons along the way.
- The previous regime tried to get players to get the puck up the ice as fast as possible, but capable of recovering the puck when possession lost. Felt it was more than "just a heavy team"

ROSTER CONSTRUCTION
- Hoven calls out how Yannetti alludes issues with roster construction and how it's missing in the current team and how the players don't complement each other.
- Praise for Lee. He was big and more of a skill guy but he has put in the work and put things together. Helenius a good complement to him (more physical and better puck skills).
- Seemed disappointed there wasn't more talk of Lee or that he didn't get a callup, but understands injury played a part.

COMBINE
- Kings interviewed 55 kids at combine. Was told they do interviews different from other teams (for better or worse).
- They spoke to both Brandsegg-Nygard and Solberg (Norwegian players). Thinks both will be gone in the first.
- Asked about draft eligible prospect EJ Emery: Humble, docile, sincere, driven, focused, team-player, athletic. Intelligent transition player. Creates up-ice flow and is a facikitator. They talked to him multiple times in the year. He knows exactly what role he'd play in the NHL. Top-tier defensive elements in Yannetti's memory. Emery still wants to develop more skills to complement his defensive strengths. Maximum potential: elite-skating shut down defender. Team question is "what if the offense never comes? How do you value that?" His wheelhouse for pick range is going 18-30. 65-70% chance he's there at 21.

SCOUTING + PANDEMIC EFFECTS
- "Video doesn't add value" but he also said "cool. We don't have to use analytics anymore." Clearly being sarcastic. Feels a team doesn't "need" to rely on video to be successful, but a team benefits using all tools and resources available to them.
- "I think we were wrong and the NHL mostly got it wrong for how the pandemic affected the players." It affected age groups more than we thought. Elite players will always be elite. But he's still seeing it.
- Hates giving other teams credit (hates admitting other scouting teams do better than him), but admits Dallas did a better job with Wyatt Johnson, they knew him better than any team. Wants to learn more from it. Hopes the inside info Andy Johnson had with Ryan Conmy will have similar benefits.
- Concedes the possibility about Byfield and Kaliyev being better off playing in the O during the pandemic and Clarke playing in the AHL the previous season. Ultimately "We'll never know", but he seemed less insistent that they made the right decisions. Does add the caveat that "the more elite you are, the less impactful those decisions are."

DRAFT CLASS EVALUATION
- "Do you still subscribe to the philosophy that if you come away with 2 NHL players (200 games) per draft, it's a successful draft class?" "NO." After more explanation, thinks you should get 7-8 for every 3 drafts. 2 "gets the job done" but teams should go for more. Lombardi was going for 2, but he was more strict.
- Yannetti said "2019 wasn't a rebuild" after Hoven called it that. Hoven responded with "look at players traded out, picks acquired, etc, then made reference to the players picked. Yannetti said "yes, it was fruitful. Let's talk about that draft class." Seemingly being happier with 2019 vs 2018. My own editorial here - I wish Yannetti talked more about 2019 if it wasn't a rebuild, but I'm assuming it would have been a "retool" or something else.
- Re 2021, still happy with the draft. Clarke doing things at the AHL that hadn't been done before (leading in scoring as a rookie defenseman). Pinelli takes a while to figure things out at different levels. Think he's on the right path. Thinks Helenius is a successful pick but he's coming along. He wanted Kirsanov to come over sooner. Won't be participating in dev camp as he hoped - torn ligament.
- Re: 2019. Turcotte's gonna make it (the NHL). Bjornfot, Kaliyev, Spence made it. Fagemo and Lee - maybe 100 games. The other guys probably won't.
- 2020: Byfield, Faber, Laferriere obviously make it. Chromiak and Jämsen still alive. Grans on the "wrong side" of being alive
- 2021: Clarke's gonna make it. Pinelli and Helenius are good feelings. Hope to entice Kirsanov over.
- 2022: Hoven "talk me off the ledge. Jack Hughes. I'm not sold. Is it too early to worry?" MY "it's never too early. Hughes' biggest problem is he's the same weight from his draft year." Calls out how Nic Dowd took 7 years to look like he belonged. Hopes Hughes can eventually follow that path. But he still gets outmuscled on every puck. He's still smart, but the concerns are there. This camp is very important. MY agrees with Hoven that Connors is further along.
- Connors and Wright are going to be NHLers. Said they could have come in after this season, but MY praised them both for going back to school. Connors and Wright outperforming their draft position. Hughes underperforming draft position.

POST-MORTEM
- Hoven "what went wrong with Bjornfot?" MY: "We failed him a lot. He was good enough to play for us. We didn't protect him as we should have with younger defenseman." Adds some parts of his game didn't develop. He would make plays too early and his sense of timing was off. From Bjornfot's side, he could have closed quicker or been more aggressive. He had a lot of elements of a younger Vlasic.
- All but guaranteed Kaliyev's out. Hoven said the pick didn't work out - MY said "Well we can't say that yet" but then didn't push back after Hoven said "well he can still have a good career on another team."
 
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Haven't listened yet but did he actually say Darian Hatcher?
More specifically, Hoven said they could use a Hatcher and Yannetti agreed.

It was a 2-hour episode so I tried to paraphrase as much as I could before running out.

Another thing I'll add in general - Hoven told Yannetti he wants to do a three-part series for the draft. Yannetti seems receptive. The problem (which you can tell when you listen) is the conversation is very organic and moves in different directions, so sometimes time runs out for unanswered questions.

I know there are (understandable) criticisms about more challenging questions not being asked or not following up. It was simply not asked due to going over for time.
 
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that was a very strange "WELLLLLLLLLL" re: kaliyev

too bad hoven talked over him there instead of letting him finish

just a different response from the sullen crap you got from blake
 
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I'm glad that Yanetti is somewhat in a much better and realistic headspace than the rest of the group.
Yanetti has learned a lot in his years in amateur scouting. I credit him a lot for admitting mistakes that he and the organization made with certain prospects (ex: Hickey, Cernak, Zykov, Gibson) and how that's helped reshape/shift the thought process when it comes to drafting, developing, and subsequently roster building.
 
Please no more 5'10 guys...especially with early draft picks. Size, size and toughness. Give me someone at least 6'0 that's not a weak twig who will become a MAN & has major f-ing balls. That's my starting point for scouting and my board for our top pick -- before i even get to staking, skills, etc.
I agree...but at #21, the top end skill is not there, with the bigger, tougher prospects.
I think the Kings have been adding size the last few drafts:
2023 Dvorak D 6'5" 205
2023 Ziemmer RW 6'1" 210
2022 Connors RW 6'1" 200
2022 Wright RW 6'3" 185
2022 Sparkes D 6'8" 238
2022 Lawrence 6'6" 230
And Lee and Helenius are close, esp Lee.
I think the Kings know they need size and toughnes...but they also know they need top end skill.
You can get lucky after round 1, with skill...if it's developing. I think with 5'7" Lizotte and 5'9" Arvidsson (seemingly) departing, there is room for an under 6' skilled forward. Lizotte was never a prototype 4C, just due to size.

When I saw Jack Hughes after the 2019 lottery draw...I thought no way can he play in the NHL this coming year. He looked 16 and scrawny. I am not saying Stiga is at that level, but he's grown 1-2 inches in the last year and took the greatest strides (according to some I;ve listened to) this past season. They were looking for a LW to play with Eiserman and Hagens and he stood out and took that spot. In the USHL games, he had 18 goals in 27 games and was #2 scoring and #1 plus / minus 20. Half the team was minus. Overall, he was +82 for the season. 60 goals. 68 assists. 66 PIM.
He battles and is not wimpy. He may certainly grow to 5'11" 185-190. Or even 6'
The Kings need a legit top 6 forward in the system. Pinelli seems to be more on the path for 3C.
Now, if Senneke was there at 21, that's the type of size, skill, toughness, you're talking about, but he'll be gone by 12.


Stiga moves on the ice like he got the game’s script ahead of time. When his teammates turn to pass, he’s right there, fully open in a spot. And he already knows his next play before the puck touches his stick. His prescient read of the game enables him to create beautiful give-and-go and tic-tac-toe plays. -EliteProspects 2024 NHL Draft Guide

Size is coming here...Lee is going to make it, it seems. 6'4" 210. Helenius is rising. 6'6" 225.
I look back when the Kings took Teubert and Forbort...as they were big defensemen and were mistakes. The fact the Kings could get Ziemmer in rd 3, shows you can get some size with some skill. I think if you can get a higher skill level at 21, you do it. Will Scouching has Stiga at #7 OA and the other guy on his show at #13. After listening to Yanetti this (most excellent pod and Hoven was at his best...non annoying and asked good questions and less off topic trivia banter stuff)
it seems Yannetti may be the best professional in the front office...he's serious, he can talk about errors...he can talk about the Stars getting Johnston and how they did that and it made him upset that the Kings could not get the onfo they had (which I still don't know what it was). But he's passionate and demanding of himself!! Love that. Since they interviewed 55 prospects, no doubt Stiga was one...I am completely fine if he and staff pass on Stiga and take someone else...because they will know that player is the better selection.

I woke up at 4:30 AM and saw the pod dropped and listened, until the sun came up.
Good stuff. KP covered so much. I was bummed they didn't get to the 2023 draft!
And barely touched on 2022. I was kind of surprised he believes both Connors and Wright wil be NHL players. He said Wright's speed is almost Kempe / Wagner straight speed level. (when talking Wagner, should always say it's straight speed...he was not a great skater...no edge work like Kempe or Fiala)

Would have been nice to get more reviews of Reign players...but he did talk Lee, Helenius and said Pinelli began to play much better his last 20 games and how it took Pinelli a few yrs in OHL to ramp up and seeing the same path here, that he gets better after familiarity and experience.
Also wished they talked where he thinks Turcotte is at. Going over Jack Hughes was telling...that he hasn't grown or put on any weight....yet he skates well and has some game...and threw in that Nic Dowd took 7 years and when I saw Dowd at age 25, it was like his dad brought a 25 year old kid to bring your kid to work day. LMAO! He said Hughes scored some points when he got to play with Celebrini.

Loved the EJ Emory segment. He really dove deep there. Loved that he aasked his scouts "if Emory becomes an elite skating, shut down defenseman that is 6'3", closes plays at a high level, gets the puck and moves it out, passes, skating out and his offense never comes...is that worth #21 (or something like that)
I liked that said when a defenseman is so efficient and gets pucks, moves them fast, to a forward, that is offense...just went from defense to offense and have less time on D and more on O. It's a simple concept, but most in the hockey world, would never even think of an elite D, that can be that efficent, yet maybe put up 3 goals and 20 assists, can actually be more valuable to offense.

My Stiga pump.
Was great at the recent U18 and he and Emory were both team leading +15.
Such good awarenes, vision, hands. Love the play he made pass hit his leg, gathers it and passes back to Hagens at 1:55. Quick and sharp pass, with puck in tight, at his skates. I want Kings that have high skill and top level instincts.



I still would love any of the best forwards that may be there at 21:
Hage, Chernyshov, Hemming, Boisvert, Luchanko. Or defensemen Solger, Emory.
 
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Another interesting tidbit.
Yannetti thinks he pretty much knows the top 12-13 will go.
That's nutts....to be that certain. He thinks at at around 15, it's who a team likes, etc.

1-12? I'll try.

SJ Celebrini
CHI Demidov (have the chance to make the best 1-2 duo in yrs...but will they?)
SJ Leshunov
CBJ Buium
MTL Lindstrom
UTAH Catton
OTT Sennecke
SEA Eiserman
Cal Iginla
NJ Silayev
BUF Brandsegg-Nygard
PHI Dickinson

He said both Brandsegg-Nygard and Solberg will be both first round picks.
 
Another interesting tidbit.
Yannetti thinks he pretty much knows the top 12-13 will go.
That's nutts....to be that certain. He thinks at at around 15, it's who a team likes, etc.

1-12? I'll try.

SJ Celebrini
CHI Demidov (have the chance to make the best 1-2 duo in yrs...but will they?)
SJ Leshunov
CBJ Buium
MTL Lindstrom
UTAH Catton
OTT Sennecke
SEA Eiserman
Cal Iginla
NJ Silayev
BUF Brandsegg-Nygard
PHI Dickinson

He said both Brandsegg-Nygard and Solberg will be both first round picks.
I don't think Dickinson gets past 9, if he even gets there, IMHO. I believe Parekh will go before Sennecke and Brandsegg Nygard.
 
Another interesting tidbit.
Yannetti thinks he pretty much knows the top 12-13 will go.
That's nutts....to be that certain. He thinks at at around 15, it's who a team likes, etc.

1-12? I'll try.

SJ Celebrini
CHI Demidov (have the chance to make the best 1-2 duo in yrs...but will they?)
SJ Leshunov
CBJ Buium
MTL Lindstrom
UTAH Catton
OTT Sennecke
SEA Eiserman
Cal Iginla
NJ Silayev
BUF Brandsegg-Nygard
PHI Dickinson

He said both Brandsegg-Nygard and Solberg will be both first round picks.

probably not really a stretch by him to mention that. I have heard that the drop off is after the top 13-15 kids go so I would assume he/ scouts have relayed this to their respective organizations. They have a definitive top of the draft.
Will be interesting to see if teams try to climb into the top 10-12.

Sounds like not much difference between taking a kid mid 1st - once that initial group goes of the board, to the end of the round.
 
The Hockey Writers have a good free guide, with many player profiles that also has some video clips of each....some mock drafts and articles. Some player quotes from the combine.


Good stuff Maynard.
 
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For context, people ask why the long jump matters, beyond athleticism. It's also an indicator of explosiveness/getting at top speed faster.

Emery's not just a strong technical skater, but very athletic.

The biggest point that understandably gets brought up as a con to all this is lower ceiling for improvement. It got brought up with Tyler Toffoli and Drew Doughty - if they can do everything they do when out of shape, what can they do when they're in shape?
 
For context, people ask why the long jump matters, beyond athleticism. It's also an indicator of explosiveness/getting at top speed faster.

Emery's not just a strong technical skater, but very athletic.

The biggest point that understandably gets brought up as a con to all this is lower ceiling for improvement. It got brought up with Tyler Toffoli and Drew Doughty - if they can do everything they do when out of shape, what can they do when they're in shape?
The discussion on Emery that Yannetti had with Hoven was really enlightening, and Emery isn’t just another Forbort.
 
For context, people ask why the long jump matters, beyond athleticism. It's also an indicator of explosiveness/getting at top speed faster.

Emery's not just a strong technical skater, but very athletic.

The biggest point that understandably gets brought up as a con to all this is lower ceiling for improvement. It got brought up with Tyler Toffoli and Drew Doughty - if they can do everything they do when out of shape, what can they do when they're in shape?


And conversely you end up asking if a guy like Zach Bogosian is at the limits of his physical capabilities being such a workout fiend
 
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