WC: 2024 Czech team in Prague!

martygod12

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And one last thing guys: average age of this team is 29,3 f***in years lol ... so much for Ruliks "we want to rely on young players more" bs ... once again we will have one of the oldest and slowest teams on the tournament.

And then again we will wonder why Canada or USA seem like they are one speed level above us.

Unbeliavable
 

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So how many guys from Extraliga? Like half? I'm absolutely convinced there is some mandate that says half the team must be Extraliga. Hasn't worked once... Not f***en once. But sure.. let's try it again.

Team seems slow, old and uncreative. I said repeatedly that I liked the U18 team despite results. Not even factoring in 3 insanely strong opponents (then Swiss and Slovakia looking good) ... I would hate this team every single time.

I'll cheer to the end but I just can't see much success at all. Quarters and an easy out because we have no game breakers and no one will be able to score. Expect 3-2 type games against the weaker opponents. And blowouts against the rest. 7th.
I am 100% sure there is no "mandate" about players coming from whatever league. Also, this team definitely isn't slow. Rather the opposite. Majority of the players are very good skaters, especially the projected "bottom lines" forwards like Beránek, Flek, Lenc, Kovařčík. All of them are really good skaters, not the most creative of technically skilled, but definitely not slow.

They are simply taking what they have. I understand some people will adore Vrána ad nauseam because "his skating looks so pretty", but damn, this is no figure skating competition, and Vrána is basically an useless player, which he demonstrated repeatedly, including the recent games. I don't care about his fans saying "oh, he is sneaky" or whatever, he is simply not only unable to win a single physical battle, he is avoiding them. I fully support Rulík's decision to cut him. Coach after coach come and see he is useless, but he still has his crowd of fans for some reason. The same witch Michael Špaček. That guy got so many chances in the national team, and demonstrated repeatedly he is unfit for this level of hockey.

Tomáš Nosek might be a bit different case. It looks there might be some conflict with the coaching staff or the teammates, hard to say.

Jiří Ticháček is the only name which, in my opinion, should be there, instead of Ščotka, or Hájek. But that is one single player. Plus, we didn't see him out of the ice. This tournament will be a lot about mentality, I have no clue how does Ticháček perform under pressure.

They simply decided to put together a team with quite apparent philosophy of the game. Defense first, responsible plays, good own zone coverage, physicality. I am not saying it will be successful, it may or may not. It nonetheless follows a clear logic. Rulík is a successful senior coach and his staff knows "a thing or two" about hockey too. Fans ranting on the internet about the supposed stupidity of the coaches are rather laughable themselves. But it has always been like that. Every pub is full of hockey coaches.
 

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I am 100% sure there is no "mandate" about players coming from whatever league. They are simply taking what they have. I understand some people will adore Vrána ad nauseam because "his skating looks so pretty", but damn, this is no figure skating competition, and Vrána is basically an useless player, which he demonstrated repeatedly, including the recent games. I don't care about his fans saying "oh, he is sneaky" or whatever, he is simply not only unable to win a single physical battle, he is avoiding them. I fully support Rulík's decision to cut him. Coach after coach come and see he is useless, but he still has his crowd of fans for some reason. The same witch Michael Špaček. That guy got so many chances in the national team, and demonstrated repeatedly he is unfit for this level of hockey.

Tomáš Nosek might be a bit different case. It looks there might be some conflict with the coaching staff or the teammates, hard to say.

Jiří Ticháček is the only name which, in my opinion, should be there, instead of Ščotka, or Hájek. But that is one single player. Plus, we didn't see him out of the ice. This tournament will be a lot about mentality, I have no clue how does Ticháček perform under pressure.

They simply decided to put together a team with quite apparent philosophy of the game. Defense first, responsible plays, good own zone coverage, physicality. I am not saying it will be successful, it may or may not. It nonetheless follows a clear logic. Rulík is a successful senior coach and his staff knows "a thing or two" about hockey too. Fans ranting on the internet about the supposed stupidity of the coaches are rather laughable themselves. But it has always been like that. Every pub is full of hockey coaches.
Yeah so again we will have a team full of "fighters" who can score 2 combined goals in 7 games and produce 12 shots against Canada. And then again end with big fat 0 in the QF cause there is simply no one creative or able to score or do something in the front.

If Vrana is useless what is Lenc or Beranek then?

You can defend it all you want, but this nomination is a joke and it will end up with disaster, unless some of the NHL stars come to save the day, but I higly doubt it. If this team, at the state what it is now (no Pasta will come and save the day like in 2022) can actually make it to the QF (not even semis), play nice hockey and then have a good QF game (we dont even have to win, but we must play hockey there, not that abomination we showed in the last year QF) I will apologize to you and admit you were right. But sadly I fear I will be right.

There are at least 7 players in the team, who are not even close WCH level and are taking space of better and more skilled players who were also available and could have be there instead of them. Thats just too many.
 

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Stop crying guys. Team is not bad and coach is good. And playing at home. With Kari u guys took bronze not long ago. Now u have even better coach.
 

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Stop crying guys. Team is not bad and coach is good. And playing at home. With Kari u guys took bronze not long ago. Now u have even better coach.
That was not Kari but all Pasta, untill he came we sucked big time also. And we had much stronger team back then
 

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I feel like I type this every year.. there needs to be a mandate... no more than 5 Extraliga players. It has not worked and it never will.

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At best we are the 5th best league in the world. I puprosely left out AHL.

So grabbing guys from the 5th best league over the best league in the world is just f***en stupid!

Using meaningless exhibition games and watching extraliga guys blocking shots and 'trying hard' should not be the barometer we use. Those EHT's and exhibiton series blind every coach. And, if I'm wrong, can someone point to the medal in the last 15 years?

Constantly leaving behind NHL players for Extraliga ones is stupid. If you disagree, point to a successful run. Who are our Top 5 Extraliga scorers in the last decade? Any .ppg players?

Constantly taking guys that would end up in the ECHL over guys in the actual NHL is nuts.

And I"m beyond f***en tired of the 'well the best team wins'. I totally agree with that.. but somehow that got twisted into this... it's better to take shitty players and have them gel mentality. That isn't how it works.

Just f***en once.. I"d like us to bring the biggest stars and get them to play like a team. I can promise you when we get to elimination.. the shit players that never had any NHL aspirations are not going to do a goddam thing. They are more than likely to get steamrolled, dangled and scored on. What they won't do is stop any of the NHL stars on the other rosters because they are not on their level. They are, in fact, 3 or 4 leagues below them. They are below them for a reason.
Our team is near 29 years old.. but remember than includes Spacek and Kondelik. If they get healthy scratched... then we have a 30 year old roster of Extraliga stars. f*** right off with this.

They give the Extraliga guys a month to try out.. give the NHL guys 1 game and cut them. It's a 3 week tournament.. let these guys figure it out. Instead, they bring 2 teams to Brno and somehow reward the least talented guys in camp.

But, I'm sure I'll be wrong and we play great.. bookmark me, quote me in 3 weeks.
 
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And since I have some free time and am pissed

This is 32 year old Lenc.. 32.. a journeyman.. here is his Olympic and WC totals

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1 point in 14 games... but man can he light up a f***en EHT.

Maybe the 4th time is the charm? He's a scorer and we took him over Vrana? f*** off!
 
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I feel like I type this every year.. there needs to be a mandate... no more than 5 Extraliga players. It has not worked and it never will.

NHL
KHL
NLA
SEL
At best we are the 5th best league in the world. I puprosely left out AHL.

So grabbing guys from the 5th best league over the best league in the world is just f***en stupid!

Using meaningless exhibition games and watching extraliga guys blocking shots and 'trying hard' should not be the barometer we use. Those EHT's and exhibiton series blind every coach. And, if I'm wrong, can someone point to the medal in the last 15 years?

Constantly leaving behind NHL players for Extraliga ones is stupid. If you disagree, point to a successful run. Who are our Top 5 Extraliga scorers in the last decade? Any .ppg players?

Constantly taking guys that would end up in the ECHL over guys in the actual NHL is nuts.

And I"m beyond f***en tired of the 'well the best team wins'. I totally agree with that.. but somehow that got twisted into this... it's better to take shitty players and have them gel mentality. That isn't how it works.

Just f***en once.. I"d like us to bring the biggest stars and get them to play like a team. I can promise you when we get to elimination.. the shit players that never had any NHL aspirations are not going to do a goddam thing. They are more than likely to get steamrolled, dangled and scored on. What they won't do is stop any of the NHL stars on the other rosters because they are not on their level. They are, in fact, 3 or 4 leagues below them. They are below them for a reason.
Our team is near 29 years old.. but remember than includes Spacek and Kondelik. If they get healthy scratched... then we have a 30 year old roster of Extraliga stars. f*** right off with this.

They give the Extraliga guys a month to try out.. give the NHL guys 1 game and cut them. It's a 3 week tournament.. let these guys figure it out. Instead, they bring 2 teams to Brno and somehow reward the least talented guys in camp.

But, I'm sure I'll be wrong and we play great.. bookmark me, quote me in 3 weeks.
This is a pointless conversation. You have your fixed idea which you are expressing in a very agressive way and I am tired of arguing against it over and over. Sorry.
 

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Here is 24 year old (one of our youngest) AHL totals

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11 points in 40 AHL games and contract released... but he did well in friendlies. He got a spot over guys like Zohorna and Nosek. Seriously? He's not even close. They were legit in the same leagues, he's a step below whether you like him or not.
 

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Here is 27 year old Scotka.. he's my f***en size. And I'm small for a NHL player.. I'd get killed

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He has NEVER got a point for us. And, if your argument is he can shut people down. He can't. He's a nothing Euro player. Shouldn't have made it this far. My least favorite pick by far.

This guy was taken ahead of Galvas, Tichachek and Kral.... in what world is he better? What skill is he bringing?
 

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Here is Jakub Krejcik.. also my size, also small.. also over 30!
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Of the guys I'm shitting on.. he's the best one.lol

7 point in 21 games... all pre covid.
 

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Here is Stransky! Big body, good size and now 30. An excellent Euro pro. Also a failed AHL player who didn't get 1 NHL game. But don't worry, at the Olympics and World's he has 5 points in 21 games. He is the SImon Hrubec of this group. Anyone expecting him to start scoring as a 30 year old?
 

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Here is 27 year old Scotka.. he's my f***en size. And I'm small for a NHL player.. I'd get killed

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He has NEVER got a point for us. And, if your argument is he can shut people down. He can't. He's a nothing Euro player. Shouldn't have made it this far. My least favorite pick by far.

This guy was taken ahead of Galvas, Tichachek and Kral.... in what world is he better? What skill is he bringing?
Ščotka is not my favourite player, I think Ticháček would be better, but that's really the only position I would pick differently from the coaching staff. But take Nosek as an example. You were angry that the team looks slow. Well, Nosek is actually quite a slow skater. He is strong, with a long reach, but speed may be his biggest limit. If you think the team is slow, then taking Nosek instead for, let's say, Lenc or Kovařčík, who are both quite speedy (although not exactly great stickhandlers) would make the team even slower. The only player there who might be replaced by Nosek is Kondelík. A similar type of a C. And, in my opinion, Kondelík was doing pretty good during the entire training camp.
 

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Here is Vozelnik.. athletic prime at 28, decent size and hasn't accomplished a thing at a IIHF senior event.
 

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What all these guys have in common.. they do well on EHT and friendlies.
 

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Here is Stransky! Big body, good size and now 30. An excellent Euro pro. Also a failed AHL player who didn't get 1 NHL game. But don't worry, at the Olympics and World's he has 5 points in 21 games. He is the SImon Hrubec of this group. Anyone expecting him to start scoring as a 30 year old?
Sorry but pointing at the fact that typical checking liners/power forwards don't score a lot of goals is really weird. Yes, the problem with the team is that it is lacking scorers. That's why they gave Vrána a try out. He scored one goal on a breakaway situation vs. Slovakia. Since then he produced from little to zero meaningful offensive plays. If you have to make a decision between a checking liner who can at least defend, and a purpoted goal scorer who doesn't score goals and is absolutely terrible defensively, who do you pick?
 

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Seriously, name once this has worked? And if the answer is 2010.. bullshit... only 7 extraligers and an NHL goalie in net for every game. (fun note: I never realized Cervenka was an Extrtaliger.lol)

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I dont pick sides here. But I wonder: Which proven pointscorer should have have been picked over all the mentioned players in the bottom 6 here, then?

Because all the players named (Beranek, Kondelik, Flek, Lenc, Vozenilek, Kousal ++) is clearly there for hardworking defensive play. And thats ok I guess when you lack the offensive power.

The only one I miss is Rychlovsky. Maybe Filippi. The rest is unproven at this level, failed try-outs or is locked up in playoffs.

(This is for forwards, at Defense I think we all agree that Tichacek and maybe Kral/Galvas should have been there)
 

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A guy like Hertl has become available and would have been a massiv add, but there it seems like Vegas is the blocking point because of the injury/surgery he had.

Which is sad when he has played his normal 17-20 top-line minutes for a full month without stop now.
 
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A guy like Hertl has become available and would have been a massiv add, but there it seems like Vegas is the blocking point because of the injury/surgery he had.

Which is sad when he has played his normal 17-20 top-line minutes for a full month without stop now.
Hertl would be a great add but Nedvěd said he was sceptical because of the surgery Hertl had this winter. We will see.
 

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Good stuff. Pick an old team that will play unattractive hockey and will get killed by the top teams. Not sure why they bothered firing Kari in that case. Nice prep as well - 0 for 3 in the games that constituted the litmus test for the tournament. Really can't wait for it all to start.
 
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I feel like I type this every year.. there needs to be a mandate... no more than 5 Extraliga players. It has not worked and it never will.

NHL
KHL
NLA
SEL
At best we are the 5th best league in the world. I puprosely left out AHL.

So grabbing guys from the 5th best league over the best league in the world is just f***en stupid!
Does the quality of the league automatically make the players worse? Because Jukka Jalonen is constantly picking guys from the 6th best league (or 7th?, dunno where you rank Liiga) over bubble NHLers and has been doing just fine.
 
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